Dennis, Those are all images on microfilm of the various federal censuses - a basic tool that will pay great dividends in your search. I have access to them online through paid sites, but they can also be rented for a very small fee from your nearest local LDS Family History Library (http://www.fammilysearch.org will help you locate them).. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Richard" <rick@classicsouth.net> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > Ann > Sorry it took so long to get back to you, things have been pretty hectic > around here. > Elmers father was Francis Lightfoot Lee so the one listed as a son of > Frank is more than likely the right one. His mother was Elizabeth > Woolheater of Delaware county NY. I understand they were married some time > in 1859. All these reels and pages you are talking about are somthing new > to me. I am very new at this so please > dont give up on me. > Dennis > > ---------- > > From: Ann O'Hara <yannster@ptd.net> > > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:46 PM > > > > Actually, Lincoln was shot in 1865. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Richard" <rick@classicsouth.net> > > To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > > > > > > Ann > > > My mother, Zena, is still living and she says that her father was born > the > > > year Lincoln was shot. She will be 93 this wednesday and is the last of > of > > > his children. She is old but her mind is still good. If you look on the > > > 1920 cenasus you will see an 8year old daughter named Ruth. They had no > > > daughter named Ruth but if you trace back the years that would be my > > > mother. > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Ann O'Hara <yannster@ptd.net> > > > > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:13 PM > > > > > > > > He may well have forgotten the year he was born (he wouldn't be the > > > first), > > > > but he does say on the 1900 census that he was born in October 1862. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dennis Richard" <rick@classicsouth.net> > > > > To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:03 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > Thank you for your response to my inquary. First let me say that my > > > grand > > > > > father was always known as Elmer E very few people knew he was > > actually > > > > > Elsworth Elmer. > > > > > Next, I have him born October 11, 1863in Wayne county. His father > was > > > > > Francis Lightfoot Lee born in 1836 also in Wayne county and I > beleive > > > the > > > > > same farm that was sold when ELMER moved into town. Francis was > > married > > > to > > > > > Elizabeth Woolheater of Delaware county NY. As to the idea that he > was > > > > > actually from NY,I had not considered that but will look into it. > > > Thanks > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > From: Ann O'Hara <yannster@ptd.net> > > > > > > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > > > > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason you didn't find him before 1920 is that the farm was > > > located > > > > > in > > > > > > Preston Township, not Starrucca Borough. If you do a search for > > > > > Starrucca > > > > > > on Mapquest, you'll see that the borough is roughly rectangular > in > > > > shape. > > > > > > Although Shehawken does not show on the map, you'll see > > Tallmansville > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > southeast of Starrucca. Shehawken is north of Tallmansville and > > > almost > > > > > > directly east of Starrucca. The distance betrween them is only > > about > > > > > five > > > > > > miles, and the road is mostly in Preston. Based on their > neighbors > > on > > > > the > > > > > > census, I'd place them in Preston Township closer to Starrucca > than > > > > > > Shehawken. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the census, working backward from 1920 - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1920. Elmer Lee and family in Starrucca Borough. Reel T625, > Page > > > 263. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1910. Elmer Lee and family in Preston Township. He and Martha > have > > > > been > > > > > > married 23 years. Reel T624-1426, page 242. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1900. Elmer Lee and family in Preston Township. He was born > > October > > > > > 1862 > > > > > > in NEW YORK. In other years he says he was born in Pennsylvania. > > > > > However, > > > > > > I could find no Elmer Lees in Wayne County in 1880 and 1870. > > > > > > Reel T623-1495, page 203. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1880. There were two Elmer Lees of the right age in New York in > > > areas > > > > > not > > > > > > too far from Wayne County: > > > > > > > > > > > > Elmer Lee, son of Wallace and Percilla Lee in Hurley, Ulster > County, > > > NY. > > > > > > Reel T-9-939, page 111B. > > > > > > > > > > > > Elmer Lee, son of Frank Lee, in Newark Valley, Tioga County, NY. > > > Reel > > > > > > T9-937, page 138B. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1870. Elmore Lee, son of Wallace & Percilla, in Hurley. Reel > > > > M593-1105, > > > > > > page 116. > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't tell us the names of Elmer's parents, so the New York > > > Elmers > > > > > are > > > > > > highly speculative. I didn't find any Lees in the Ancestry.com > > index > > > > for > > > > > > Starrucca (which was then called Wayne) Borough in 1850 or 1860. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dennis Richard" <rick@classicsouth.net> > > > > > > To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:53 PM > > > > > > Subject: [PAWAYNE] Boundries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find out as much as I can about the Lee > > > family > > > > of > > > > > > > Starrucca. Can anyone out there tell me where the boundry lines > of > > > > > > > Starrucca are? My grand father Elmer Lee owned a farm outside > > > > Starrucca > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road to Shehaukin. > > > > > > > ( spelled wrong ). My mother tells me they sold the farm and > moved > > > to > > > > > town > > > > > > > when she was 14. However, the Starrucca Borough census of > 1920is > > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > I can find him and my other relitaves listed. This would have > made > > > my > > > > > > > mother 8 years old . What would be the area they lived in when > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the farm? 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