Elaine, If it's the Independent you're referring to, I don't know what archives they have on line, but they refer all inquiries to the historical society, which has the paper on microfilm. They may have films themselves but not a reader - and they are not indexed. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "n&e" <ned440@yahoo.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Website for Obituaries (Update) > > What am I missing here? Aren't many/most of these more recent obits already freely available at their source, from the newspapers' own online archives? > > Elaine > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Wayne County, Pennsylvania web page at > www.rootsweb.com/~pawayne > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

In a message dated 4/22/2004 9:57:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mlkintner@enter.net writes: > Is Thomas Bortree the s/o Robert &Margaret Holland Bortree? > I discovered that I actually have two Thomas Bortrees who died about the same time. The one who was the son of Robert Bortree and Margaret Holland who married Anna Killam. They lived in Salem Township, Wayne County, PA in 1850. The other Thomas Bortree was born in Ireland in 1779 and died 1 Mar 1863. He was the son of Matthew Bortree and unknown female. He married Ann (Mary) Heazelton (Hazelton). They lived in the Sterling Township, Wayne County, PA in 1850. And coincidentally they each had a grandson named Thomas Bortree. Thanks to all who responded to my question on Thomas' death date. I think the will abstraction answered the question without a doubt. Carol

Hi all, Well I didn't expect the index to get this kind of response. I am sorry it is only the most recent ones.. I will take it down without no delay.

I just have some from my own family, which i havent put on the index yet

What am I missing here? Aren't many/most of these more recent obits already freely available at their source, from the newspapers' own online archives? Elaine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs

Noticed the names of Jno. H. Williams & Lyman Ames in the Thomas Bortree will. Does anyone know anything further about these two men? My gggrandmother, Alice McFarland Stevens was the niece of a John H. Williams and ended up living with him after the death of her mother, Nancy Williams McFarland. Have found that Lyman Ames was living in the same house with John, his wife Lucy A. (Ames?) and Alice. Also curious as to what is meant by "Register for the probate of wills and letters of Lyman Ames, Administration..." Marilyn Smith

Thank You very much, Diane!!! ~Robin

Hi List,      After reading the replies from the list, I decided to write to the newspaper (Monday) and I am still waiting for a reply from them.  So far I haven't received any mail back one way or the other.       What I have done in the meantime is set up an index. The index can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/angel114y/index.html

Do you have obits from late 1800's and early 1900? I think you are doing a great job. Clare A. Jones -----Original Message----- From: Angel39470@aol.com [mailto:Angel39470@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:34 PM To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAWAYNE] Website for Obituaries (Update) Hi List,      After reading the replies from the list, I decided to write to the newspaper (Monday) and I am still waiting for a reply from them.  So far I haven't received any mail back one way or the other.       What I have done in the meantime is set up an index. The index can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/angel114y/index.html ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I did not mention that all this info was under will #943- no break in the entry - The Register begins on the next line immediately after the will. * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ Here is what I condensed the will down to on my FTM file (I transcribed the entire will and it is on-line connected to the Samuelson wills): #943 - WILL and TESTAMENT of Thomas Bortree 2nd Page 208: 'I, Thomas Bortree 2nd of Salem Township, Wayne County and Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...my dearly beloved, (Hima?- this could be Anna with a fancy A), ....my daughter, Esther Noble....my son Benjamin H.....my daughter Mary Depew....my son S. L. (?) ....my daughter, Emeline Quinby....my son Moses....my grandson George Constable....In witness thereof I have herewith set my hand and seal the fifth day of January AD, one thousand eight hundred and fifty seven. Signed, sealed, published and declare, Thomas Bortree (seal) by the Said Testator, Thomas Bortree 2nd.' 'Wayne County, ? this day before me M. Regan Jr., Jno. H. Williams, Register for the probate of wills and Letters of Lyman Ames, Administration....he was of sound mind, memory and understanding to the best of their knowledge and belief. Witness my hand and official seal in Honesdale this 9th day of March 1864.' The children he names coincide with his children. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ -----Original Message----- From: Writeb4robin@cs.com [mailto:Writeb4robin@cs.com] There is a problem somewhere. The Thomas Bortree who was the son of Robert Bortree and Margaret Holland and who married Anna Killiam, died and was buried at: T

Here is what I condensed the will down to on my FTM file (I transcribed the entire will and it is on-line connected to the Samuelson wills): #943 - WILL and TESTAMENT of Thomas Bortree 2nd Page 208: 'I, Thomas Bortree 2nd of Salem Township, Wayne County and Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...my dearly beloved, (Hima?- this could be Anna with a fancy A), ....my daughter, Esther Noble....my son Benjamin H.....my daughter Mary Depew....my son S. L. (?) ....my daughter, Emeline Quinby....my son Moses....my grandson George Constable....In witness thereof I have herewith set my hand and seal the fifth day of January AD, one thousand eight hundred and fifty seven. Signed, sealed, published and declare, Thomas Bortree (seal) by the Said Testator, Thomas Bortree 2nd.' 'Wayne County, ? this day before me M. Regan Jr., Jno. H. Williams, Register for the probate of wills and Letters of Lyman Ames, Administration....he was of sound mind, memory and understanding to the best of their knowledge and belief. Witness my hand and official seal in Honesdale this 9th day of March 1864.' The children he names coincide with his children. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ -----Original Message----- From: Writeb4robin@cs.com [mailto:Writeb4robin@cs.com] There is a problem somewhere. The Thomas Bortree who was the son of Robert Bortree and Margaret Holland and who married Anna Killiam, died and was buried at: T

Hi all, ---Been out of town and just catching up to your discussion on Thomas Bortree. There is a problem somewhere. The Thomas Bortree who was the son of Robert Bortree and Margaret Holland and who married Anna Killiam, died and was buried at: Old Paupack Cemetery Bortree Thomas d. Feb. 11, 1864 age 72 years He was born in February of 1792 in Killyman Parish, Co. Tyrone, Ireland The Will of Thomas Bortree that is recorded at Honesdale is his will of Jan. 1857. Is this the same Will that is referenced... "The Register of Thomas' will is dated 1864: 'Wayne County, ? this day before me M. Regan Jr., Jno. H. Williams, Register for the probate of wills and Letters of Lyman Ames, Administration....he was of sound mind, memory and understanding to the best of their knowledge and belief. Witness my hand and official seal in Honesdale this 9th day of March 1864.'" I am writing this without having been there or seeing it myself so I could be very wrong. Are there TWO WILLS for Thomas Bortree at the Honesdale Courthouse? If so, then I would guess they belong to two different men. ~Robin

Elane, As a publisher, I can tell you that any piece of writing would be covered. Of course if it is over 100 years old it is in the public domain and you can use it freely. Garry Myers Columbus, Ohio Re: Does anyone know if obituaries are covered by copyright law? The papers are under copyright, and many see this as including the obits. To protect yourself, it may be wise to obtain permission from each paper whose obits you plan to use. Different papers have different requirements as do the web providers on whose space the obits would be posted. There is a copyright discussion list at RootsWeb which might help you sort it out. Elaine

Covered, yes, but prudent or not, some papers do not care if obits are reproduced. In some cases, the family member who wrote the obit retains the copyright. All the more reason to obtain permission. And while the composition itself is under copyright, the facts available to the public (such as those on a death certificate) are not. It is not a simple issue. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

For informational purposes only: The GENWEB project through Rootsweb provides forums for volunteers to share data of all kinds. http://www.usgenweb.org/ There are specific data bases on the GENWEB project for obituaries, marriages, wills, etc. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.st ates.pennsylvania.counties.wayne&o=1&maxrows=25&dir=next In addition, the Wayne County Genweb site for which I am the volunteer Web master is at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawayne/ This Wayne county Discussion list is also housed and hosted by rootsweb/GENWEB. All of these data bases are run by volunteers like myself. These sites are also accessed by the best search engines. If the intent in sharing information is to share it then please consider adding data to the exisitng web site that goes hand in hand with this Discussion list. It will reach a far greater number of people then individual web sites. Thanks, Lisa Carey Larchevesque -----Original Message----- From: MaryLHigham@aol.com [mailto:MaryLHigham@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:00 AM To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Proposed Website Great idea! I have much data on my Wayne County descendants that I would gladly share with you for a website. Mary in California MaryLHigham@aol.com ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== Don't forget to check out connecting counties when digging for those roots. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Re: Does anyone know if obituaries are covered by copyright law? The papers are under copyright, and many see this as including the obits. To protect yourself, it may be wise to obtain permission from each paper whose obits you plan to use. Different papers have different requirements as do the web providers on whose space the obits would be posted. There is a copyright discussion list at RootsWeb which might help you sort it out. Elaine --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Great idea! I have much data on my Wayne County descendants that I would gladly share with you for a website. Mary in California MaryLHigham@aol.com

Hi List, For quite a few years I have been building a database of obituaries that I have collected from several newspapers, such as the Wayne Independent and the Scranton Times.  I have been toying with the idea of setting up a webpage with an index of the names and links to the typed obituaries. I have several questions in connection with actually initiating this. 1.  Does anyone know if obituaries are covered by copyright law? 2.  Do you think such a database online would be useful? 3.  How would I get started doing this? 4.  Where would be the most useful place to locate the website? Thanks in advance for any and all input. Debbie

Hi Fred, It would seem that if Mr. Bortree's will was probated in 1864, as someone else indicated, then he must have certainly died before the probate date. Carol

In a message dated 4/22/2004 9:57:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mlkintner@enter.net writes: > Is Thomas Bortree the s/o Robert &Margaret Holland Bortree? > Yes, he is. Carol