Carol, But according to the1900 census, that one was born August 1893. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > Hi Ann, > > This is the SSDI for the Roscoe Tyler related to Depew Teeple: > > ROSCOE TYLER 13 Dec 1892 Aug 1978 Equinunk, Wayne, PA PA (Before 1951 ) > 198-05-1395 > > The birth date is the same as the one shown for him in the WWI Draft > Registration: > > World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 > Viewing records 1-2 of 2 matches > > Name Birth Date Race Birthplace Registration Place > (City, County, State) View > Draft > Card Save > This > > Roscoe Tyler 13 Dec 1892 Caucasian PA Not Stated, Wayne, PA > > Roscoe Conklin Tyler 22 Feb 1892 Caucasian PA;USA Not Stated, > Wayne, PA > > > Carol > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If the county you are looking in borders state lines make sure to check the other state for records also. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

The Tyler Genealogy by Williard I. Tyler Brigham and Calvin Cedric Tyler (Volume III) shows a George Y. Tyler for this line. There is no mention of a Roscoe. Ref Page 7. Bezaleel Tyler mar. Mrs. Abigail (Calkin) Bush Ref Page 14. Dau Phoebe Tyler mar. Joseph Thomas Ref Page 19. Dau Charity Thomas mar. Benjamin Tyler (s/o William) Here's where the differences begin . . . Ref Page 44 Son Isaac Tyler, b. 1 Oct 1828 in Damascus, PA mar. Clara Calkin (or Calkins) Children were: Earl W. Tyler, b. 13 Dec 1858 George Y. Tyler, b. 25 Apr 1863, mar. Edith Sutliff; this couple had sons Edson and Wilson Tyler Anyone care to comment?? Dave Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: <Firehair3@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: [PAWAYNE] Roscoe Conklin Tyler --here's his line > Roscoe Conklin Tyler --here's his line > Date:3/17/04 2:35:58 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:Firehair3">Firehair3</A> > > > > (and note,he's his own cousin, several times over) > > > Roscoe Conklin Tyler, b. 22 Feb 1892 > > he s/o > George G. tyler, b. c 1863 > wife, Phebe Conklin, she b. Oct 1867, d. after 1920 > > George G., b. c 1863, was s/o > > Isaac Tyler, b. 1829 Pa, d aft 1880 his wife, Clariissa (Clara) Conklin > > Isaac s/o of Benjamin Tyler, b. 20 Oct 1784 NY, d. 27 Oct 1860 Damascus, > PA (Tyler Hill) > > Benjamin was md to > Charity Thomas, > > d/o Capt. Joseph Thomas , his wife, Phebe Tyler, > d/o Bezeleel Tyler III, his wife, Abigail > Caulkins. > > etc. I have this, in books, on my disks--etc. > > ********* > > Phoebe Calkins was d/ o Nicholas Calkins as I suspected, who md Malvina > Potter. > > Nicholas (1837-1899) was s/o Hiram Potter, his wife, Cynthia > > Malvina was d/o Jacob Potter, (1804-1879)Jane Reeves Wood > > contact: > > Charles Snitchler snitchler84@comcast.net > > he's a descendant--fnd he has some of this up on a paid site. > > Sheila // Firehair > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the Wayne County Historical Society > 810 Main Street P.O. box 446 Honesdale, PA 18431 (570)253-3240 > wchspa@ptd.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Ann, This is the SSDI for the Roscoe Tyler related to Depew Teeple: ROSCOE TYLER 13 Dec 1892 Aug 1978 Equinunk, Wayne, PA PA (Before 1951 ) 198-05-1395 The birth date is the same as the one shown for him in the WWI Draft Registration: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Viewing records 1-2 of 2 matches Name Birth Date Race Birthplace Registration Place (City, County, State) View Draft Card Save This Roscoe Tyler 13 Dec 1892 Caucasian PA Not Stated, Wayne, PA Roscoe Conklin Tyler 22 Feb 1892 Caucasian PA;USA Not Stated, Wayne, PA Carol

Ann, I'm going to re-trace my steps and see if I can find it again. I'll let you know. Pat

Carol, I also checked Roscoe in 1930, when he was still single and still working as a "servant" or day laborer. The fact that he's not on the SSDI probably means that he never worked under Social Security or died before the period covered by the index. It's my guess that the former is true. Without a death date, it would be hard to come up with an obit or death certificate. Ann

Carol, On the 1900 census, the "other" Roscoe Tyler's birth date is given as March 1893. In theory, his birth (along with his parents' names) should have been recorded in Honesdale. However, the law was often not complied with, especially in the first year of its existence. I'll look next time I'm at WCHS. On the theory that if Roscoe was Depuy Teeple's brother-in-law he was either his sister's husband or his wife's brother. And there was a 17-year-old Mabel Tyler on the 1900 census. The bad news is that she is living as a servant in a Hill family and too young to appear in 1880. It does suggest, though, that Mabel Teeple and Roscoe were siblings. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] Roscoe Tyler > Hi Marge, > > I checked the actual 1910 Census Images and the census does show an Oscar > Tyler as a grandson of Nicholas Conklin. I believe that this is the Roscoe > Tyler, who is the son of George Tyler and Nicholas' daughter, Phoebe Conklin. > Thanks for putting me on to it. It solves the mystery of where Roscoe Conklin > Tyler was in 1910, since he was not with his mother and stepfather and he was not > yet married. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Pat, Do you have a date or the name of the newspaper? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat LaTournous" <probets@earthlink.net> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: [PAWAYNE] Tidbits > Fooling around on the web, I ran across the following: Anyone interested or > know about it? > > > The way of the transgessor is hard. Last February Mrs. Caroline Dewell, > wife of a Baptist minister, who had died eight weeks before, eloped from > Honesdale, Pa., with Edward C. Simpson, a worthless fellow. Mrs. Dewell > sold her house and personal effects, and, after putting her four children to > bed one night, went away. On Thursday morning of week before last she > appeared at Honesdale, having walked all night through the wilderness, and > sought her home, only to find it occupied by others, and her children, who > had been cared for by the town authorities, gone... > > > Uncle John Raymon died in Scranton, Pa., a few days ago, aged 88 years. > In 1828 he built the first mile of railroad track that was ever laid in > America from actual commercial business. This was on the Delaware and > Hudson Canal Company's road between Honesdale and the coal mines of > Carbondale. > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you can't visit the area you are researching, check with your local > Family History Center. They may be able to get the records you require > on microfilm. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Could someone help me with a church, birth or other lookup for the above person or surname. My dilemma is that supposedly he was born in PA but I have no idea where. Other Brigance members were supposedly born around 1740 in PA as well. At that time, there were only 4 counties: Lancaster, Chester, Philadelphia and Bucks. I have searched in Philadelphia and Lancaster but I wonder when the counties split if the information went with another county outside of the Philadelphia area. Thanks!!!!! Teri Tighe Southern New Jersey

and was working on a Brown family in Otsego Co., NY for a cousin, and on an Indian line in Mass/Ct--- while trying to make a cherry and chocolate cake for supper. Sorry--- I'm very popular at funerals, weddings and reunions---can tell everyone who and how they are related. I color coded the folks Wish they'd been born that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 follow Phoebe, to her dad, Nichols, to her grandfather, Hiram. then follow Malvina Potter (purple) to her Dad, Jacob In a message dated 3/17/04 6:16:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, IrisLillie writes: > > Phoebe Calkins Nicholas Calkins as I suspected, who md Malvina > Potter. > > Nicholas (1837-1899) was s/o Hiram Calkins , his wife, Cynthia ***************************************************************************** > > Malvina was d/o Jacob Potter, > > contact: > > Charles Snitchler snitchler84@comcast.net > > he's a descendant--fnd he has some of this up on a paid site. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > > am I confused? Why was Nicholas Calkins the sone of Hiram Potter? What am > I reading wrong? > 1 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562947859">Bezaleel TYLER</A> b: 6 Nov 1716 d: 29 Jun 1796 + <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562947860">SARAH CALKIN</A> b: 10 Aug 1725/1726 d: 4 May 1791 2 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562918072">William TYLER</A> b: 26 Apr 1758 d: 28 Aug 1834 + <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562918073">Mary VAIL</A> b: 27 Feb 1765 d: AFT 1804 3 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562860820">Benjamin TYLER</A> b: 20 Oct 1784 d: 27 Dec 1860+ <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562860821">Charity THOMAS</A> b: 2 Mar 1786 d: 13 July 1866 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562719313">Isaac TYLER</A> b: c. 1829 d: after 1880+ <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I562719314">Clarissa (Clara) CALKINS</A> b: c. 1832 d: after 1880 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I108589281">George G. TYLER</A> b: 1863+ <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I106534247">Phoebe J. CONKLIN</A> b: Oct 1867 d: After 1920 <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I108589290">Rosco Conklin TYLER</A> b: 22 Feb 1892 + <A HREF="http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2093900&id=I563176746">Hulda LOWE</A> b: c. 1898

Roscoe Conklin Tyler --here's his line Date:3/17/04 2:35:58 PM Eastern Standard Time From:<A HREF="mailto:Firehair3">Firehair3</A> (and note,he's his own cousin, several times over) Roscoe Conklin Tyler, b. 22 Feb 1892 he s/o George G. tyler, b. c 1863 wife, Phebe Conklin, she b. Oct 1867, d. after 1920 George G., b. c 1863, was s/o Isaac Tyler, b. 1829 Pa, d aft 1880 his wife, Clariissa (Clara) Conklin Isaac s/o of Benjamin Tyler, b. 20 Oct 1784 NY, d. 27 Oct 1860 Damascus, PA (Tyler Hill) Benjamin was md to Charity Thomas, d/o Capt. Joseph Thomas , his wife, Phebe Tyler, d/o Bezeleel Tyler III, his wife, Abigail Caulkins. etc. I have this, in books, on my disks--etc. ********* Phoebe Calkins was d/ o Nicholas Calkins as I suspected, who md Malvina Potter. Nicholas (1837-1899) was s/o Hiram Potter, his wife, Cynthia Malvina was d/o Jacob Potter, (1804-1879)Jane Reeves Wood contact: Charles Snitchler snitchler84@comcast.net he's a descendant--fnd he has some of this up on a paid site. Sheila // Firehair

In a message dated 3/17/04 1:52:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Firehair3 writes: > Subj:Phebe Conklin > Date:3/17/04 1:52:51 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:Firehair3">Firehair3</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com">PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com</A> > > > > Is she the d/o Nicholas in Damascus, Wayne? > > I have a large file on Tyler, > > Patty Hankins has one that is even bigger, more recent. > > Sheila Stover //

Subj: Roscoe Tyler-- 1 and 2 Date: 3/17/04 2:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:Firehair3">Firehair3</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com">PAWAYNE-L-@rootsweb.com</A> WW I Draft Regis Cards 1917-1918 Roscoe Tyler 13 Dec 1892 Caucasian b. PA Not Stated, reg. in Wayne, PA, (this one died Aug 1978 at Equinunk---from the SSDI files Roscoe Conklin Tyler 22 Feb 1892 Caucasian b. PA;USA reg in Wayne, PA ****************************************************************************** **** It is likely this is Phebe's son by her first marriage to George Tyler will help with elimination of which one is who and so forth. order death certificates, or the soc sec form--- latter can be done from on line. Sheila / Firehair

Hi Marge, I checked the actual 1910 Census Images and the census does show an Oscar Tyler as a grandson of Nicholas Conklin. I believe that this is the Roscoe Tyler, who is the son of George Tyler and Nicholas' daughter, Phoebe Conklin. Thanks for putting me on to it. It solves the mystery of where Roscoe Conklin Tyler was in 1910, since he was not with his mother and stepfather and he was not yet married. Carol

Was amused at the reference in this item to the eloping Mr. Simpson as being "a worthless fellow." One of my great-grandfathers by this fine name held a similar esteem -- Not! -- among his in-laws, who always referred to his the entire family as "the worthless Simpsons!" Still, the rascals must have had some charm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat LaTournous" <probets@earthlink.net> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [PAWAYNE] Tidbits > Fooling around on the web, I ran across the following: Anyone interested or > know about it? > > > The way of the transgessor is hard. Last February Mrs. Caroline Dewell, > wife of a Baptist minister, who had died eight weeks before, eloped from > Honesdale, Pa., with Edward C. Simpson, a worthless fellow. Mrs. Dewell > sold her house and personal effects, and, after putting her four children to > bed one night, went away. On Thursday morning of week before last she > appeared at Honesdale, having walked all night through the wilderness, and > sought her home, only to find it occupied by others, and her children, who > had been cared for by the town authorities, gone... >

Hi Marge, It sounds like it is a misspelling. Roscoe was the name of their son. But be careful there were 2 Roscoes. Carol

Fooling around on the web, I ran across the following: Anyone interested or know about it?     The way of the transgessor is hard.  Last February Mrs. Caroline Dewell, wife of a Baptist minister, who had died eight weeks before, eloped from Honesdale, Pa., with Edward C. Simpson, a worthless fellow.  Mrs. Dewell sold her house and personal effects, and, after putting her four children to bed one night, went away.  On Thursday morning of week before last she appeared at Honesdale, having walked all night through the wilderness, and sought her home, only to find it occupied by others, and her children, who had been cared for by the town authorities, gone...     Uncle John Raymon died in Scranton, Pa., a few days ago, aged 88 years.  In 1828 he built the first mile of railroad track that was ever laid in America from actual commercial business.  This was on the Delaware and Hudson Canal Company's road between Honesdale and the coal mines of Carbondale.

Carol, I have an Oscar Tyler (born about 1891) as the son of Phoebe Conklin and George Tyler. I wonder if this is a mispelling and should be Roscoe? Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: [PAWAYNE] Roscoe Tyler > Hi, > > I have just discovered that there were 2 Roscoe Tylers born within months of > each other in 1892. > > One Roscoe was the son of George Tyler and Phoebe Conklin. He married Hulda > Lowe. He is shown in the 1900 Census for Manchester Township, Wayne County, > PA with the surname of Mitterwager. He was living in the household of his > mother, Phoebe Conklin and John Mitterwager, her second husband. The 1920 Census > for Delaware, Sullivan County, NY shows this Roscoe with wife Hulda. > > The second Roscoe is shown in the 1900 census as boarding in the household of > Lidia Cole in Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA. This same Roscoe is > shown in the 1920 Census for Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA as the > brother-in-law of Depew Teeple. > > I really would appreciate someone helping me figure out who the second Roscoe > belongs to....who his parents were. > > Carol Potter Meadows > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I have just discovered that there were 2 Roscoe Tylers born within months of each other in 1892. One Roscoe was the son of George Tyler and Phoebe Conklin. He married Hulda Lowe. He is shown in the 1900 Census for Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA with the surname of Mitterwager. He was living in the household of his mother, Phoebe Conklin and John Mitterwager, her second husband. The 1920 Census for Delaware, Sullivan County, NY shows this Roscoe with wife Hulda. The second Roscoe is shown in the 1900 census as boarding in the household of Lidia Cole in Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA. This same Roscoe is shown in the 1920 Census for Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA as the brother-in-law of Depew Teeple. I really would appreciate someone helping me figure out who the second Roscoe belongs to....who his parents were. Carol Potter Meadows

Hello, Everyone, Read with interest Ken's e-mail on the 3 Jabez Rockwells. When Gail was in Connecticut several years she researched the Jabez who won the powder horn because he was a 3rd cousin of Simmons Rockwell (assuming that Lt.Jonah was Simmons' father. D. William Patterson's places him as one of the Farifield Co. Rockwells. His ancestry is as follows: John Rockwell (of Stamford) and Elizabeth Weed Thomas Rockwell and Sarah Rusco Jabez Rockwell and Kaziah (maiden name unknown) Josiah Rockwell and Mary Scott Jabez Rockwell, born 8 October 1761 in Ridgefield, Ct. I can't recall exactly but it seemed that Gail told me that towards the end of life in Pike Co. Pennsylvania he wrote down his memoirs in which he descibes how he happened to win the powder horn. He also wrote that he was with the Army on the famous Christmas Night 1777 when General Washington crossed the Delaware. Jabez said that he was assigned to the same boat with General Washington and they positioned him at the side of the boat where he had to use his bare hands to push away floating chuncks of ice that came too close. Ken, you mentioned a deposition in which he outlined his service record in applying for a pension. Is the one you have the one that is dated September 1832 and given in the Pike Co. Court House? That is the one Gail copied and sent to me. Then Ken mentioned the two other Jabez Rockwells. I would especially like to learn about the one who moved to South Hero, Vermont. My Gteat-Grandmother Lucena Barnes Rockwell's family came from there. Her father, Cullin Barnes was born there on 10 October 1800. His parents were Dr. Melvin Barnes, Sr. and Charlotte Allen. Charlotte was the daughter of Col. Ebenezer Allen and Lydia Richards from Northampton, Mass. Ebenezer was a 3rd cousin to Gen. Ethan Allen who lived over on the mainland not too far away. Both Ebenezer and Ethan led the Green Mountain Boys in the storming of Ft. Ticondaroga in 1775. Ebenezer became a judge for the Burlington District Court in 1791. Ebenezer also owned a tavern in South Hero. And that is where he and Lydia Allen received Prince Edward of England on 13 February 1793. He was on his way from Montreal to Boston. He had been Commander-in-Chief of the Army Garrison in Montreal. But he was such a brutal disciplinarian---2 or 3 of his men died as a result of this. So he was removed from his command in Montreal and ordered by his father, King George III to return to England. He came to South Hero with a retinue of 30 people. They had decided to come down Lake Champlain cross over New England to Boston would be a shorter route and going overland Canada. Edward later married and became the father of Queen Victoria. So, if anyone has any information on the Jabez Rockwell who moved to South Hero I would very much appreciate learning more about him. I believe Ken said he was a Josiah-line Rockwell. John R. --- Ken Rockwell <kwrockwell@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hello, all: >> >> Most of us are familiar with the legend of the >> powder >> horn of Jabez Rockwell. Supposedly there was some >> sort of contest at Valley Forge, which Jabez >> Rockwell >> won. He received a powder horn from General >> Washington, and it is now in the Valley Forge >> Museum. >> This story has the feel of a "family tradition," >> supposedly passed down from the soldier to his >> descendants. But which family is involved? After >> all, we know of three different soldiers named Jabez >> Rockwell, all privates from Connecticut, as listed >> in >> the DAR Patriot Index. They are: Jabez (1740-1837) >> who lived at Danbury at the time of the Revolution >> and >> later settled at Butternuts, NY; his nephew Jabez >> (1761-1847) who lived at Ridgefield and later >> settled >> in Pike Co., Pennsylvania; and a Josiah-line Jabez >> who >> enlisted at Preston and later settled at South Hero, >> Vermont. >> >> I started wondering about the legend when I >> received >> a query from a descendant of Jabez of Danbury. >> She'd >> heard of the legend and understood it to refer to >> her >> ancestor. I, however, had gotten it into my head >> that >> it referred to the nephew who settled in >> Pennsylvania. >> What do you all think? In which family did this >> legend really arise? It's the kind of tale people >> love, and once disseminated could easily be >> "adopted" >> by the other families. But maybe you have record of >> an early account of it, which would pin this down. >> >> Before posting this query to the group, however, I >> decided to look into the evidence. On Tuesday night >> I >> found a Valley Forge website with a search function >> to >> identify soldiers who were at Valley Forge. And >> would >> you believe it? There were TWO Jabez Rockwells >> there! >> See http://165.83.115.136/VFMuster/index.htm >> One was in the 7th Connecticut Regiment, in the >> company of Capt. Thoms Converse, and was on the >> muster >> roll from December 1777 to June 1778. The other was >> in the 8th Connecticut Regiment, in the company of >> Capt. Paul Brigham; served in December 1777 and >> discharged in January 1778. >> >> Armed with these details, I went to the Family >> History >> Library yesterday. The DAR Lineage Books give a >> brief >> summary of the career of the Revolutionary ancestor >> of >> a member. For Jabez of Ridgefield (later of >> Butternuts) we read that he enlisted in 1775, in the >> 6th Connecticut Regiment of Col. Samuel H. Parsons, >> with no further details. This didn't look too good >> for the descendant's expectation that this was the >> Valley Forge contestant. >> >> The Revolutionary War Pension Application files from >> the National Archives are often quite rich with >> genealogical information and accounts of the >> soldier's >> service, allowing one to figure out where the >> soldier >> had been living and what units he had served in. >> All >> Rockwell applications are to be found on Family >> History Library Film no. 972070. There are only two >> Jabez Rockwells in the pension file, those of Pike >> County, Pennsylvania and South Hero, Vermont. The >> former, our younger Jabez in the John line, had a >> lengthy career beginning in December 1777--right for >> a >> term at Valley Forge, except he never mentions it. >> Rather he spent the winter in Westchester County, >> New >> York, having joined Capt. Knowles Seers' company in >> Col. John Mead's Regiment as a substitute for >> another >> at the age of 16. He was discharged in March, and >> joined again in September as a substitute. Several >> more terms of service followed over the next few >> years, leading up to 1781, when he was part of the >> Continental Army that headed south from Westchester >> County, NY, to Virginia. I speculated whether it >> was >> during this period, rather than at Valley Forge, >> that >> the legendary contest occurred, if this were the >> contestant. >> >> The other Jabez died in 1818, so we have only the >> second-hand recollections of his widow Deborah Ann >> (Bellows) as she applied for a widow's pension. She >> recalled his speaking of enlisting in February of >> 1777 >> under a Lt. Miles in (she thought) Col. Huntington's >> Regiment. But another document in the file states >> that he was in Colonel Swift's Regiment, and served >> from Feb. 16, 1777 to Feb. 16, 1780. The widow did >> recall her husband speaking of a Major Converse and >> thought he must have served under him, and recalled >> it >> involving the Battle of Monmouth. This is enough to >> suggest that this Jabez is the one who served under >> Capt. Thomas Converse at Valley Forge. >> >> Turning to the service records, we find three Jabez >> Rockwells listed in the index, serving in the 7th >> Connecticut Regiment, the 8th Connecticut Regiment, >> and in Capt. Peter Page's Company in Col. Moses >> Nichols' Regiment, which was raised by the state of >> New Hampshire for the defense of West Point in the >> year 1780. He entered service July 6 and was >> discharged Aug. 30, 1780. [FHL Film 1485829] We >> have >> no knowledge of a Jabez Rockwell living in New >> Hampshire at that time, which makes me suspect that >> he >> was a Connecticut resident who attached himself to >> this group after it had come south. I wonder if >> this >> was one of the numerous short-term periods of >> service >> by Jabez of Ridgefield and later of Pennsylvania. >> He >> didn't specifically refer to Nichols' Regiment, but >> his activities in 1780 were in the vicinity of New >> York. Further information about that Regiment's >> activities may show that they agree with Jabez of >> Ridgefield's account. >> >> The Jabez of the 7th Regiment has the largest file >> of >> the three, including payroll stubs and muster roll >> documents for most months from the fall of 1777 >> through 1778. His Company is first under Capt. Vine >> Elderkin, then Capt. Thomas Converse as of Dec. >> 1777. >> Each document lists his term of service as three >> years, beginning with enlistment on February 16, >> 1777. >> [FHL Film 1485602] This clearly agrees with both >> the >> file for Jabez of Preston and South Hero, who was >> thus >> at Valley Forge. If the legendary contest indeed >> took >> place there, the honor goes to the Josiah line. >> >> Finally, the 8th Regiment Jabez served in Capt. Paul >> Brigham's Company. There are muster roll documents >> for June through December of 1777. He was mustered >> out on Jan. 1st, 1778. [FHL Film 1485623] This >> means >> the second Jabez Rockwell found on the Valley Forge >> website was in a company that ended up in Valley >> Forge >> by the time his enlistment expired. As to who this >> individual is, there are no further clues. It >> cannot >> be Jabez of Ridgefield (later of Pike Co., PA), who >> deposed that he enlisted in December of 1777 and >> spent >> the winter in Westchester County, New York. So it >> is >> possible that this was his uncle, Jabez of Danbury >> (later Butternuts), given the fewness of Jabez >> Rockwells to choose from. He obviously supported >> the >> cause of independence enough to serve in 1775, so >> why >> not again when needed? It would especially make >> sense >> that the burning of Danbury, his home city, would >> prompt him to sign up once more, since that event >> immediately precedes the seven-month enlistment of >> Jabez of the 7th Regiment. >> Well, that's what I make of the evidence. Anybody >> else have further evidence to consider, or differing >> interpretations? >> >> --Ken Rockwell >> >> > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yaho John & Jeanie Stout wrote: >I am very interesting in the account of Jabez ROCKWELL being a freind of George WASHINGTON. >The story of this sounds almost like a ferry tale. >The one were he is in the boat on the famous ride with George. > >Can any one please direct me to reference for that story. >If this story is true than the pictures or painting's that depick this scene has our kin Jabez in it. Jeanie > >Mr. Rockwell was a personal friend of Washington, and was in the same boat with him on the memorable Christmas Eve trip across the Delaware. >The river was piled high with blocks of ice, and he used both hands and oars in pushing them >away from the sides to prevent their crushing in their frail craft. > >Thank you Jeanie > > >==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== >If the county you are looking in borders state lines make sure to check the other state for records also. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hi, Does anybody by chance know the maiden name of the Mabel who is shown as the wife if Depew Teeple in the 1910 and 1920 Censuses? The 1920 Census also shows a Roscoe Tyler, aged 27, born in PA, living with Depew and Mabel. Roscoe's relationship to Depew is given as brother-in-law. There is also a John Stryker, aged 10, born in PA. John's relationship to Depew is shown as nephew. If anyone can tell me how the relationships go for John and Roscoe to Depew, I'd really appreciate it. I think I'm missing an important piece to the puzzle, that maybe someone else has. Thanks, Carol Potter Meadows