I also looked for the Tylers in the cemeteries in the area mentioned. I learned that Depuy Teeple's wife Mabel was indeed a Tyler, and since she died in 1950 could have been Roscoe's sister. There is also a Lillian Tyler born in 1892. However, I found no sign of Jefferson or Clara in Equinunk, Braman or Union. There was a Clara Tyler Cole, but she lived until 1923.

Dear Carol et al., Well, I found Roscoe Tyler's obituary and it raises more questions than it answers unless someone recognizes his parents. The only Jefferson Tyler I could find on Ancestry.com for 1880 lived in Susquehanna Co. with a wife named Lovisa or Louisa. Anyway, here's the obit: The Wayne Independent, 22 Aug. 1978: ROSCOE TYLER Roscoe Tyler, 85, Equinunk, died Sunday, Aug. 20, 1978, at the Grover Hermann Division of the Community General Hospital, Callicoon, N. Y. Born in Braman on December 13, 1892, he was the son of the late Jefferson and Clara Shelden Tyler, and a member of the Union United Methodist Church. Mr. Tyler, a retired laborer, was a Veteran of World War I having served with the United States Army. He was a member of the American Legion of Lookout. His wife, the former Lillian Brining, preceded him in death. Surviving are one brother, Verne Tyler, Equinunk; one stepdaughter, Mrs. Gertrude Stevenson, Bethal [sic], N. Y.; three nephews, Boyd, Frank and Leslie Tyler, Honesdale; two step-grandchildren, Bruce Stevenson, Bethal, N. Y.; and Douglas Stevenson, White Mills. Funeral services will be conducted from the Bryant Funeral Home, 1238 North Main Street, Honesdale, on Wednesdy at 2 p.m. Interment, Union cemetery, Equinunk. Friends may call at the funeral home on Tuesday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. Ann

I am sure in your searching you found Roscoe Tyler in 1900 Wayne Co, Manchester T. living with a widowed lady, last name Cole, can't figure out her first name; she is living with her son Frank, single age 46. This Roscoe is listed as a boarder, his birth is March 1893, which does not match your obit. I sort of have been reading these emails, and not paying lots of attention. This is certainly confusing. CArol At 08:57 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >Carol, > >As you'll see, I found the same tonight. Yes, it certainly helps. I'm >going to look for Verne in 1900, before Clara's second marriage. > >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol and Jim Frazier" <frazier@mlode.com> >To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:50 PM >Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > > > > I found the same Jefferson C. Tyler with wife Lovisa. > > > > However, I did find Verne L. Tyler age 13 living in 1910 in Wayne Co,, > > Manchester Township. He was born in NY. His father was born in PA, and >his > > mother in NY. He is the stepson of Frank Cole, head age 56, married for 6 > > years, and Clara A., wife, age 48 married for the second time, and married > > for 6 yeass, with seven children, six living. Born NY father b. England, > > mother b. NY. > > > > Clara Tyler Cole, from your last message, must be his mother. > > > > Does this help? > > > > Carol > > > > At 07:59 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >Dear Carol et al., > > > > > >Well, I found Roscoe Tyler's obituary and it raises more questions than >it > > >answers unless someone recognizes his parents. The only Jefferson Tyler >I > > >could find on Ancestry.com for 1880 lived in Susquehanna Co. with a wife > > >named Lovisa or Louisa. Anyway, here's the obit: > > > > > >The Wayne Independent, 22 Aug. 1978: > > >ROSCOE TYLER > > > Roscoe Tyler, 85, Equinunk, died Sunday, Aug. 20, 1978, at the Grover > > >Hermann Division of the Community General Hospital, Callicoon, N. Y. > > > Born in Braman on December 13, 1892, he was the son of the late >Jefferson > > >and Clara Shelden Tyler, and a member of the Union United Methodist >Church. > > >Mr. Tyler, a retired laborer, was a Veteran of World War I having served > > >with the United States Army. He was a member of the American Legion of > > >Lookout. His wife, the former Lillian Brining, preceded him in death. > > > Surviving are one brother, Verne Tyler, Equinunk; one stepdaughter, >Mrs. > > >Gertrude Stevenson, Bethal [sic], N. Y.; three nephews, Boyd, Frank and > > >Leslie Tyler, Honesdale; two step-grandchildren, Bruce Stevenson, Bethal, >N. > > >Y.; and Douglas Stevenson, White Mills. > > > Funeral services will be conducted from the Bryant Funeral Home, 1238 > > >North Main Street, Honesdale, on Wednesdy at 2 p.m. Interment, Union > > >cemetery, Equinunk. Friends may call at the funeral home on Tuesday from >2 > > >to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. > > > > > >Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > > >To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: > > >PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > >For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > > > > >============================== > > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to visit the Wayne County Historical Society > > 810 Main Street P.O. box 446 Honesdale, PA 18431 (570)253-3240 > > wchspa@ptd.net > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > >==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to visit the Wayne County Historical Society >810 Main Street P.O. box 446 Honesdale, PA 18431 (570)253-3240 >wchspa@ptd.net > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I found the same Jefferson C. Tyler with wife Lovisa. However, I did find Verne L. Tyler age 13 living in 1910 in Wayne Co,, Manchester Township. He was born in NY. His father was born in PA, and his mother in NY. He is the stepson of Frank Cole, head age 56, married for 6 years, and Clara A., wife, age 48 married for the second time, and married for 6 yeass, with seven children, six living. Born NY father b. England, mother b. NY. Clara Tyler Cole, from your last message, must be his mother. Does this help? Carol At 07:59 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Carol et al., > >Well, I found Roscoe Tyler's obituary and it raises more questions than it >answers unless someone recognizes his parents. The only Jefferson Tyler I >could find on Ancestry.com for 1880 lived in Susquehanna Co. with a wife >named Lovisa or Louisa. Anyway, here's the obit: > >The Wayne Independent, 22 Aug. 1978: >ROSCOE TYLER > Roscoe Tyler, 85, Equinunk, died Sunday, Aug. 20, 1978, at the Grover >Hermann Division of the Community General Hospital, Callicoon, N. Y. > Born in Braman on December 13, 1892, he was the son of the late Jefferson >and Clara Shelden Tyler, and a member of the Union United Methodist Church. >Mr. Tyler, a retired laborer, was a Veteran of World War I having served >with the United States Army. He was a member of the American Legion of >Lookout. His wife, the former Lillian Brining, preceded him in death. > Surviving are one brother, Verne Tyler, Equinunk; one stepdaughter, Mrs. >Gertrude Stevenson, Bethal [sic], N. Y.; three nephews, Boyd, Frank and >Leslie Tyler, Honesdale; two step-grandchildren, Bruce Stevenson, Bethal, N. >Y.; and Douglas Stevenson, White Mills. > Funeral services will be conducted from the Bryant Funeral Home, 1238 >North Main Street, Honesdale, on Wednesdy at 2 p.m. Interment, Union >cemetery, Equinunk. Friends may call at the funeral home on Tuesday from 2 >to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. > >Ann > > > > >==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: >PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. >For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Carol, No. The only way he would be a brother-in-law is if he was the brother of Depew's wife or was married to Depew's sister. Since he was single, I made the assumption that he was Mabel Teeple's brother and indeed found a Mabel Tyler on the 1900 census. However (see my email of a couple of days ago), she was working as a servant with another family in 1900 and had not been born in 1880, so I couldn't place her with a family to test my theory. Of course, her death certificate or obituary would give good clues, but without a death date... Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > Ann, > > If Depew had a sibling who married a sibling of Roscoe's, would that make > Roscoe, Depew's brother-in-law? I do not have any siblings for Depew Teeple and > I don't have any for Roscoe either. I will await the outcome of your search > for an obit for this Roscoe. Hopefully, there will be one and it will shed > some light on the situation, especially who his parents were. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you can't visit the area you are researching, check with your local > Family History Center. They may be able to get the records you require > on microfilm. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Ann, If Depew had a sibling who married a sibling of Roscoe's, would that make Roscoe, Depew's brother-in-law? I do not have any siblings for Depew Teeple and I don't have any for Roscoe either. I will await the outcome of your search for an obit for this Roscoe. Hopefully, there will be one and it will shed some light on the situation, especially who his parents were. Carol

Carol, Well, as I said before I'd hazard a guess that he was Mabel Teeple's brother, the problem being that she wasn't born until 1882 so it's hard to place her with one of the multitudinous Tyler families. The Kellam's reference is a good clue, and as promised I'll take a look at obits around his time of death to see what I turn up. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > Hi Ann, > > The fact that they both registered in Wayne County for WWI Draft is what > clued me to the fact that there were two of them....and that Charles Snitchler and > I had been tracking the wrong one through the census records. We had the one > who was living with Depew Teeple in a couple censuses as the son of Phoebe > Conklin, which we have discovered was incorrect. So we have Roscoe Conklin > squared away, but I would still like to figure out who the other one belongs to. > Especially since he seems to be related to Teeples and so am I. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

In a message dated 3/18/04 11:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, CMMEADOWS2@aol.com writes: > Kellams, PA... Was still there last time I was down. I took new pics of the sign. Sheila/ Firehair

Annie, Your site refers to "burial records" in the Wayne County Courthouse. Can -- or anyone -- tell me how complete such records are, and what years they cover. Thanks. Donna Lewis Palmer's wrote: > I created a web site from the information PP&L sent me when I requested > information. It was known as the Purdytown Cemetery and the web site is > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mjwanc/purdy.htm > > Annie Palmer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diane [mailto:pandreasen@stny.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:41 PM > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. > > > Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was > made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack > Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? > > Thanks - > > * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * > * > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and > UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Ann, The fact that they both registered in Wayne County for WWI Draft is what clued me to the fact that there were two of them....and that Charles Snitchler and I had been tracking the wrong one through the census records. We had the one who was living with Depew Teeple in a couple censuses as the son of Phoebe Conklin, which we have discovered was incorrect. So we have Roscoe Conklin squared away, but I would still like to figure out who the other one belongs to. Especially since he seems to be related to Teeples and so am I. Carol

There's an area called Kellam's Bridge (across the Delaware). Without looking at a map, I think it's on the road through Braman. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > Hi Ann, > > They were both born in 1892. The Conklin one in Feb and the other one in > Dec. The non-Conklin one said that he was born in Kellams, PA...wherever that is > or was....on the WWI Draft Registration. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you can't visit the area you are researching, check with your local > Family History Center. They may be able to get the records you require > on microfilm. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Ann, They were both born in 1892. The Conklin one in Feb and the other one in Dec. The non-Conklin one said that he was born in Kellams, PA...wherever that is or was....on the WWI Draft Registration. Carol

Ok. Now I get it. They both registered for WWI with different birthdates. With the death date from the SSDI I can look for his obit; might give his parents' names. Then again it might not. A death certificate should, too, but doesn't always. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > I'm confused. I thought you were looking for the parents of the non-Conklin > Roscoe. Did they both have the same birthdate as well as the same name? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> > To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > > > > Hi Ann, > > > > I was using the birth dates that they used for the WWI Draft Registration. > > My thinking was that they would each know when they were born and they > would > > have provided the info themselves for the draft registration. Who knows > who > > gave the information for the census taker. Is my rationale incorrect? > > > > If my late husband was providing the info for me to a census taker, who > knows > > what he would have given them.....he never could remember the exact date > of > > my birthday...even after 28 years together. > > > > Carol > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: > PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you can't visit the area you are researching, check with your local > Family History Center. They may be able to get the records you require > on microfilm. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I'm confused. I thought you were looking for the parents of the non-Conklin Roscoe. Did they both have the same birthdate as well as the same name? ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE > Hi Ann, > > I was using the birth dates that they used for the WWI Draft Registration. > My thinking was that they would each know when they were born and they would > have provided the info themselves for the draft registration. Who knows who > gave the information for the census taker. Is my rationale incorrect? > > If my late husband was providing the info for me to a census taker, who knows > what he would have given them.....he never could remember the exact date of > my birthday...even after 28 years together. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com > type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I created a web site from the information PP&L sent me when I requested information. It was known as the Purdytown Cemetery and the web site is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mjwanc/purdy.htm Annie Palmer -----Original Message----- From: Diane [mailto:pandreasen@stny.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:41 PM To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? Thanks - * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 3/18/04 5:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, CMMEADOWS2@aol.com writes: > I was using the birth dates that they used for the WWI Draft Registration. > My thinking was that they would each know when they were born and they would > have provided the info themselves for the draft registration. Exactly, which is why I looked those up and sent on---ancestry.com has them, it's a paid/subscription site--which many folks don't have. I know I sure wouldn't if my family hadn't given it to me as a joint gift. anyhow, that a good source, and sending for soc sec info also is, because generally speaking---the folks filled it out themselves. Diitto marriage applications--we filled out our own, right? Used to be, when families kind of stayed in an area? Folks used the same funeral homes--- those records are good, due to many members of a family having records in that one place. Sheila / Firehair

Hi Ann, I was using the birth dates that they used for the WWI Draft Registration. My thinking was that they would each know when they were born and they would have provided the info themselves for the draft registration. Who knows who gave the information for the census taker. Is my rationale incorrect? If my late husband was providing the info for me to a census taker, who knows what he would have given them.....he never could remember the exact date of my birthday...even after 28 years together. Carol

Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? Thanks - * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

The SS Administration is only concerned with benefit withdrawls, thus the SSDI will only show death dates IF a claim was filed. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Firehair3@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: [PAWAYNE] SS and numbers, etc. > In a message dated 3/17/04 8:53:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, yannster@ptd.net > writes: > > > > he never worked under Social Security > > Lots of railroad folks in the area, which means they may have had a number, > (SS began i8n the mid 30s approx) > > but, under the BRT (Brotherhood of Railraod Trainmen) didn't draw from SS, > but from RR pension. Often, their death dates are not reported. No burial or > mo benefits, no reason to tell SS > > My dad was with the D & H, he's been dead 10 yrs, my mthr died young, her > pension would've been under RR---neither of their numbers pop up. BUT--Ihave > both their cards. > > and several of the Adams and Kellams et al also were RR men---it's been > the sameproblem--or so familythought--until they learned, apply for their > forms---and see--sure enuf---several came back. > > Sheila // Firehair > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 3/17/04 8:53:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, yannster@ptd.net writes: > he never worked under Social Security Lots of railroad folks in the area, which means they may have had a number, (SS began i8n the mid 30s approx) but, under the BRT (Brotherhood of Railraod Trainmen) didn't draw from SS, but from RR pension. Often, their death dates are not reported. No burial or mo benefits, no reason to tell SS My dad was with the D & H, he's been dead 10 yrs, my mthr died young, her pension would've been under RR---neither of their numbers pop up. BUT--Ihave both their cards. and several of the Adams and Kellams et al also were RR men---it's been the sameproblem--or so familythought--until they learned, apply for their forms---and see--sure enuf---several came back. Sheila // Firehair