I wonder if Robert Tyler is living with the James Henry Minckler, son of Abraham Minckler and Claracilla Ferguson, b.4/14/1863 m. Mary Jane Wood. I have at least two children for them: James Leroy and George. I believe they lived in the Sullivan Co., NY area. James Leroy was born at "Barmans, PA" wherever that is/was. > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:59:12 EST > From: CMMEADOWS2@aol.com > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > > Hi Ann, > > And yet another Tyler child boarded out. This one Robert Tyler, born > Sep > 1880. He is boarding with James H. and Mary J. Minckler and their 6 > children. > > Carol > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

Thanks to all of you who responded to the above cemetery query. I had seen that site in the past and had forgotten it. Years ago we were given directions to the Paupack Ceme.: 'Rte 6 left of lake; 1st right will follow out to Greentown. Before Greentown is Paupack Ceme.' Is this correct? We tried to find the place, but couldn't! I am interested in the cemetery because it was suggested by Ida Mae Roe (she helped me when I first began genealogy) that my Benjamin KELLEY and wife Mary (HOLE/HOEL) might be buried there. Have never found them. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

Thanks! From whom did you get the death records? The courthouse, the Historical Society, coroner's office.....? Firehair3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/21/04 3:41:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, teddy@gorge.net > writes: > > > I'd be pleased if someone knowledgeable about Wayne Co death records could > > fill me in on where records prior to 1903 can be found. > > I rec'd info/certificates on a few deaths in the 1890s from Wayne Co. > --fairly informative/complete they were, also. > > S/F > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out connecting counties when digging for those > roots. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Carol, Agree. It may have been such a horror story for the children that the skedaddled as soon as they could! I did a search on Jeff and Jeffrey, but of course if it was his middle name that wouldn't work. It occurred to me that the Jefferson Tyler in Susquehanna Co. was the culprit and just never married Clara but that's pretty farfetched. Incidentally, I also checked the cemetery books yesterday and found Roscoe and his wife, but no sign of Jefferson or Clara. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > HI Ann, > > When I found Robert and noted his aged and birth year, I had the same thought > that Jefferson and Clara should be together somewhere in the 1880 census. > Too bad they didn't have a column to mark that the female was obviously > pregnant. > > I also had the thought that maybe the wrong first name was used for Jefferson > in the obit. I found that happened with one of my mother's grandfathers. > His father had the incorrect first name in the obit. > > It's possible that Jefferson and Clara were middle names and not the names > used on any census report. > > Maybe they never married because he was married to someone else and they just > had this long standing affair. > > Maybe her given name was Clara Sheldon Tyler and she never married anybody. > That would mean her middle name was Sheldon and it wasn't her maiden name. > > Sure wish someone who has been tracking this family would chime in their two > cents about now. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the Wayne County Historical Society > 810 Main Street P.O. box 446 Honesdale, PA 18431 (570)253-3240 > wchspa@ptd.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Donna, I hoped someone with better information would answer your query about death records. I've searched the WPA inventory of court house records microfilmed by the LDS Library, and all I found was records for 1903-1905 (p.109, entry #260, Vital Statistics, Registration of Births and Deaths) Presumably subsequent records were sent to the State Bureau of Vital Statistics. Film title is "Inventory of the county archives of Pennsylvania, #64, Wayne County (Honesdale)," Film #1035741 Item 12. I'd be pleased if someone knowledgeable about Wayne County death records could fill me in on where records prior to 1903 can be found. Teddy Donna Lewis wrote: > Annie, > > Your site refers to "burial records" in the Wayne County Courthouse. Can > -- or anyone -- tell me how complete such records are, and what years > they cover. > > Thanks. > > Donna Lewis > > Palmer's wrote: > > > I created a web site from the information PP&L sent me when I requested > > information. It was known as the Purdytown Cemetery and the web site is > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mjwanc/purdy.htm > > > > Annie Palmer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diane [mailto:pandreasen@stny.rr.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:41 PM > > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. > > > > > > Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was > > made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack > > Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? > > > > Thanks - > > > > * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * > > * > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > > If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and > > UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > > Wayne County Historical Society website: > > www.waynehistorypa.org > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

HI Ann, When I found Robert and noted his aged and birth year, I had the same thought that Jefferson and Clara should be together somewhere in the 1880 census. Too bad they didn't have a column to mark that the female was obviously pregnant. I also had the thought that maybe the wrong first name was used for Jefferson in the obit. I found that happened with one of my mother's grandfathers. His father had the incorrect first name in the obit. It's possible that Jefferson and Clara were middle names and not the names used on any census report. Maybe they never married because he was married to someone else and they just had this long standing affair. Maybe her given name was Clara Sheldon Tyler and she never married anybody. That would mean her middle name was Sheldon and it wasn't her maiden name. Sure wish someone who has been tracking this family would chime in their two cents about now. Carol

Hi Ann, I was wondering where Clara was too. Maybe she was married to yet another man or I thought of the possibility that she was confined somewhere...jail or asylum. If these are all her children that we have found, she sure didn't have time for much else. Besides the fact that we were trying to find where this other Roscoe belongs, I had another reason to be sorting this out. Depew Teeple was a cousin to Atlee Teeple who married my 1C1R, Ada Lester. Plus I have 26 people surnamed Tyler in my database who are some sort of cousin to me, some going back as far as the Lesters and Tylers in CT. I really appreciate all your help with this. But I love a good puzzle, whether it is the crossword variety in a book or of the genealogical variety. Carol

Donna, there is also a partial listing for that cemetery at the rootsweb site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawayne/purdytowncem.htm Lisa Carey L'Archevesque -----Original Message----- From: Donna Lewis [mailto:jndlewis@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:13 AM To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. Annie, Your site refers to "burial records" in the Wayne County Courthouse. Can -- or anyone -- tell me how complete such records are, and what years they cover. Thanks. Donna Lewis Palmer's wrote: > I created a web site from the information PP&L sent me when I requested > information. It was known as the Purdytown Cemetery and the web site is > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mjwanc/purdy.htm > > Annie Palmer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diane [mailto:pandreasen@stny.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:41 PM > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. > > > Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was > made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack > Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? > > Thanks - > > * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * > * > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and > UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== Wayne County Historical Society website: www.waynehistorypa.org ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Carol, Interesting. If Robert is one of theirs, Jefferson and Clara should have been living togethr in 1880, even though Robert wouldn't show up on the census. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > Hi Ann, > > And yet another Tyler child boarded out. This one Robert Tyler, born Sep > 1880. He is boarding with James H. and Mary J. Minckler and their 6 children. > > Carol > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Wayne County, Pennsylvania web page at > www.rootsweb.com/~pawayne > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Boy, this sure is getting exciting! 1. I'm still convinced that the Mabel Tyler working as a servant in 1900 is the Mabel who married Depuy Teeple. I don't see any reason why she couldn't be an older sister. That's easily checked through their marriage license, if they married in Wayne County. 2. There are more Tyler children turning up that we need. Since she had only had seven children in total (six living) by 1910, only seven at the most need to be accounted for in 1900. The ones I turned up last night were Frank (12), adopted; Mabel, 17, working as a servant in Damascus Twp.; Inez, 11, living with the Levi Teeple family (she is described as "daughter" with "step" added; Lela, 17, servant in Oregon Twp., Levinna, 19, servant in Honesdale...plus of course Roscoe and Verne. Yes, she must have farmed out all of her children...but where is she in 1900? I guess Frank Cole would only let her bring the youngest with her when they married. We're all spending a lot of time on a family that doesn't seem to be related to any of us, but it's a good exercise. Next time I'm at WCHS I'll look for the marriage licenses of Clara and Frank and Mabel and Depuy. It should confirm Mabel's maiden name and maybe the death date of Clara's first husband. There's a possibility that Clara was working elsewhere in 1900 - or maybe she was in jail! Stranger things have happened. Another thing may be significant...with all the Tylers living in Wayne County, none of the children was taken in by a Tyler. Ann

Donna, Don't know how accurate the records are. The web site is verbatim from what PP&L sent me. I have been past the cemetary but didn't stop, don't know if anyone has done a list more current or not. If anyone does, I'd be happy to add it to the website. Annie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Lewis [mailto:jndlewis@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:13 AM To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. Annie, Your site refers to "burial records" in the Wayne County Courthouse. Can -- or anyone -- tell me how complete such records are, and what years they cover. Thanks. Donna Lewis Palmer's wrote: > I created a web site from the information PP&L sent me when I requested > information. It was known as the Purdytown Cemetery and the web site is > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mjwanc/purdy.htm > > Annie Palmer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diane [mailto:pandreasen@stny.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:41 PM > To: PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAWAYNE] LAKE WALLENPAUPACK CEME. > > > Does anyone know if the cemetery that was moved when Lake Wallenpaupack was > made, had the records (in their entirety) placed anywhere? Is the Paupack > Ceme. site on-line that cemetery and, if so, is it complete? > > Thanks - > > * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * > * > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > If you change your email address; be sure to SUBSCRIBE your NEW address and > UNSUBSCRIBE your OLD address > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== Wayne County Historical Society website: www.waynehistorypa.org ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

HI, I thought maybe the Frank Tyler that I had married to Elinor Stevenson was the son of Verne Tyler, but did not want to assume anything. Thank you for the information. Carol Potter Meadows

Hi Ann, Another adopted Tyler child. This one is Wilbur, born Jul 1891. He is shown as adopted by Henry and Cassandra Brown. Carol

Hi Ann, And yet another Tyler child boarded out. This one Robert Tyler, born Sep 1880. He is boarding with James H. and Mary J. Minckler and their 6 children. Carol

Hi Ann, I may have found another of Clara's children. 1900 Census for Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA shows a Frank Tyler, born April 1888 as adopted. He is living in the household of Nicholas Kelly, who is a widower of 74. Also in the household are Nicholas' children, a daughter Emma, aged 33 and a son Joseph, aged 30. Carol

Hi Ann, I found Vern Tyler in the 1900 Census. He was 3 years old and boarding with a Thomas Caffrey family in Manchester Township, Wayne County, PA. It appears that Clara must have boarded out all of her children. Carol

The Frank Tyler that you are talking about is the son of Verne Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMMEADOWS2@aol.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > Hi Ann, > > Boy, you were right! The obit sure did raise some questions. I have a Clara > (Clarisse) Sheldon, born 23 Jan 1863 in PA, died Jan 1932. However, she is > married to a Frederick A. Rivenburgh. Together they had 7 children between > 1879 and 1901. Granted most of the information came from a GEDCOM posted on > Rootsweb, especially the maiden name of the woman and her birth and death info. > However, the names of the children and the first name of Frederick Rivenburgh's > wife were verified through Census records. I did find conflicting > information between census records for the 1920 Census. Mr. Rivenburgh is shown as > being divorced and living with a daughter and son-in-law, Ida and Clarence Roney > in Preston Township.Mrs. Rivenburgh is shown as being divorced and living as > the housekeeper in the home of Frank Bush in Mount Pleasant Township. > > Roscoe must have married very late in life because through the 1930 Census at > age 37 he is still single. However, he is boarding in the home of Bert A. > Brining. > > I have all of the surnames mentioned in the obituary in my database, but none > of the first names except for a Frank Tyler who married a second cousin > Elinor Stevenson. But I have no info on Frank...just his name. I do have Elinor > Stevenson's parents and grandparents. Elinor is part of my direct line. > > The 1910 Census shows a Verne L. Tyler, aged 13, born in PA, as the stepson > of Frank Cole, aged 56, whose wife is Clara A. Cole, aged 48. On the 1900 > Census Roscoe was aged 7 and shown as boarding in the household of Lidia Cole, who > had a son, Frank, who is shown as 46 and single. So perhaps the Mable who > was married to Depew Teeple was actually a half sibling of Roscoe and did not > have the Tyler surname. > > Boy, what a puzzle this is!!! > > Thanks for the obit. > > Carol > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Wayne County Historical Society website: > www.waynehistorypa.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Ann, Boy, you were right! The obit sure did raise some questions. I have a Clara (Clarisse) Sheldon, born 23 Jan 1863 in PA, died Jan 1932. However, she is married to a Frederick A. Rivenburgh. Together they had 7 children between 1879 and 1901. Granted most of the information came from a GEDCOM posted on Rootsweb, especially the maiden name of the woman and her birth and death info. However, the names of the children and the first name of Frederick Rivenburgh's wife were verified through Census records. I did find conflicting information between census records for the 1920 Census. Mr. Rivenburgh is shown as being divorced and living with a daughter and son-in-law, Ida and Clarence Roney in Preston Township.Mrs. Rivenburgh is shown as being divorced and living as the housekeeper in the home of Frank Bush in Mount Pleasant Township. Roscoe must have married very late in life because through the 1930 Census at age 37 he is still single. However, he is boarding in the home of Bert A. Brining. I have all of the surnames mentioned in the obituary in my database, but none of the first names except for a Frank Tyler who married a second cousin Elinor Stevenson. But I have no info on Frank...just his name. I do have Elinor Stevenson's parents and grandparents. Elinor is part of my direct line. The 1910 Census shows a Verne L. Tyler, aged 13, born in PA, as the stepson of Frank Cole, aged 56, whose wife is Clara A. Cole, aged 48. On the 1900 Census Roscoe was aged 7 and shown as boarding in the household of Lidia Cole, who had a son, Frank, who is shown as 46 and single. So perhaps the Mable who was married to Depew Teeple was actually a half sibling of Roscoe and did not have the Tyler surname. Boy, what a puzzle this is!!! Thanks for the obit. Carol

Carol, As you'll see, I found the same tonight. Yes, it certainly helps. I'm going to look for Verne in 1900, before Clara's second marriage. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Jim Frazier" <frazier@mlode.com> To: <PAWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [PAWAYNE] ROSCOE TYLER > I found the same Jefferson C. Tyler with wife Lovisa. > > However, I did find Verne L. Tyler age 13 living in 1910 in Wayne Co,, > Manchester Township. He was born in NY. His father was born in PA, and his > mother in NY. He is the stepson of Frank Cole, head age 56, married for 6 > years, and Clara A., wife, age 48 married for the second time, and married > for 6 yeass, with seven children, six living. Born NY father b. England, > mother b. NY. > > Clara Tyler Cole, from your last message, must be his mother. > > Does this help? > > Carol > > At 07:59 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Carol et al., > > > >Well, I found Roscoe Tyler's obituary and it raises more questions than it > >answers unless someone recognizes his parents. The only Jefferson Tyler I > >could find on Ancestry.com for 1880 lived in Susquehanna Co. with a wife > >named Lovisa or Louisa. Anyway, here's the obit: > > > >The Wayne Independent, 22 Aug. 1978: > >ROSCOE TYLER > > Roscoe Tyler, 85, Equinunk, died Sunday, Aug. 20, 1978, at the Grover > >Hermann Division of the Community General Hospital, Callicoon, N. Y. > > Born in Braman on December 13, 1892, he was the son of the late Jefferson > >and Clara Shelden Tyler, and a member of the Union United Methodist Church. > >Mr. Tyler, a retired laborer, was a Veteran of World War I having served > >with the United States Army. He was a member of the American Legion of > >Lookout. His wife, the former Lillian Brining, preceded him in death. > > Surviving are one brother, Verne Tyler, Equinunk; one stepdaughter, Mrs. > >Gertrude Stevenson, Bethal [sic], N. Y.; three nephews, Boyd, Frank and > >Leslie Tyler, Honesdale; two step-grandchildren, Bruce Stevenson, Bethal, N. > >Y.; and Douglas Stevenson, White Mills. > > Funeral services will be conducted from the Bryant Funeral Home, 1238 > >North Main Street, Honesdale, on Wednesdy at 2 p.m. Interment, Union > >cemetery, Equinunk. Friends may call at the funeral home on Tuesday from 2 > >to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. > > > >Ann > > > > > > > > > >==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe to PAWAYNE mailing list (list mode) Address to: > >PAWAYNE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > >For Digest mode: address to PAWAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com > >type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message; nothing more. > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PAWAYNE Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the Wayne County Historical Society > 810 Main Street P.O. box 446 Honesdale, PA 18431 (570)253-3240 > wchspa@ptd.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I looked for Verne Tyler on the 1910 census and found him living with Frank and Clara Cole and listed as stepson to head of household. So the Clara Tyler Cole in the cemetery is almost certainly the mother of Roscoe and Verne and probably Mabel as well. Plus...she has had seven children with six living, so there are three others to account for. I haven't been able to find her in 1900, however. She and Frank had been married six years in 1910, and if they were married in Wayne County we'll have their marriage license on microfilm.