sorry - found this in my "saved messages" after my previous posting -Ruth Per Gretchen' tree Ruth, it looks like Carl was an illigitimate child. Her parents are listed as Cornelius and Mary Younken Dorsey. I think Connie would the ther person to ask from the Plants family tree list as that was her husband's grandfather and maybe even her mother in law Wilda would know and she is still living. Midge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.