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    1. Re: [PAWASHIN] What is an American?
    2. Joe
    3. My Marshall ancestors fought for this country and what this person wrote about below. This is not meant to be spam but rather my feelings after learning about my family tree. I've learned so much in the past few years about them as well as history in general. My ancestors came here to be Americans, they did not come here and try to make their own village in their own way and own language. People can get mad if they want or just delete this, however, today there is only one candidate who stands for what is in this persons words below. My ancestors fought against British rule, France and Spain trying to come here. They were against the "other" Marshall who was a famous Federalist or as we now know it "the Fed" who re wrote parts of our constitution which now haunts us 200+ years later. You see, he wanted it to be a sue me-sue you country where judges and lawyers like himself make money off of each little or big thing in court. . They voted against ratification (changing) of a! good constitution and now we feel the pain that people like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin warned us about.? Please everyone, just look into all of the candidates and see who says what you would say. Please don't vote on a "party bias" based on who "the party" tells you to. Please don't vote on only one issue or if someone is white, black or a woman just because you might be the same.? go vote your butts off for someone that stands for what you believe this country was meant to be, a Republic of free people. Please whatever you do, don't just vote for who the media is telling you is "in the lead". Most polls are run by certain people. Google a guy named Frank Luntz or look for him on youtube and you will see how guys like this try to manipulate the people of this country. A really good one is if you search youtube "Penn and Teller Frank Luntz" and they show you what this guy is all about. When he gets the answer he wants he stops his little polls and tells you his ! results. And while you are there, watch videos of the candidat! es and v ideos of the people out there who are supporting them. Who gets the most $$ from regular people, more $$ from the military, more $$ from the young college voters. Also see who spends millions of their own money and gets little from donations. You will see only one who truly believes in the United States of America and our right to be free Americans. Watch videos of history and who used to run the world even as recent as 50 years ago. We've been ruled by kings, monarchs, dictators and the like for 1000's of years until America was born. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=penn+and+teller+frank+luntz r[EVOL]ution calling -----Original Message----- From: Cyclex <cyclex@verizon.net> To: PAWASHIN@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 7:43 am Subject: [PAWASHIN] What is an American? Some Thoughts on What is an American? An American does not believe in oppression, but freedoms as dictated by the Constitution and its just Amendments called the Bill of Rights. Americans believe in equality for their fellow Americans. These liberties were set forth and fought and died for by our Colonial forefathers. An American knows his American history. Americans were not and are not wimps. They sought liberty from oppressors in a land wherein all could be free. Americans - via Constitution and their own history - know how to stand as one. Every American only has rights because the American next to him has the same. What religion or ethnicity were they? Mostly "Christian", but mainly whatever was "on the outs" in the country of their past. Americans do not care as long as theirs is also respected with equity under the law. All Americans, native and otherwise, lived in relative peace for many, many years before the Constitution came to be. Some - who were unjust - caused warfare previous to the Revolution. There is evidence of greed and bloodlust on all sides. Can any claim innocence? Freedoms fought and died for are not soon lost to memory unless those who come after are not taught of the cost it took to obtain them in the beginning. Do you know what the latest generations of American-born citizens have been and are being taught? Do you know why others seek America's shores? Who seeks to dilute or teach otherwise? Is America and its inhabitants perfect? No, there is and always has been imperfection in every country. But nor are we to be stupid, but hold to the ideals that we, as Americans, should always reach for, hold tightly, and pass onto every generation thereafter - and should never be given up - even unto death if need be. Those who came after and enjoyed the fruits of those death-defying labors did not have the same deep memories of many of those who at times lost their families and all things in their quest for liberty and justice under the law. Many lost all, never a family member to stand again upon the soil that their blood stained red. Shall such sacrifice go unanswered? Americans always seek equality and justice under the law in a Republic of separate states as originally set out by the first Americans through a Declaration of Independence and our State's mutually agreed upon Constitution. America was not fought and died for to become a "socialist democracy" filled with its "equity of poor" under the oppressive hand of the "elite few" via heavy taxation, but the "land of the free", equality under the law (Consitution), and opportunity for happiness for all. Freedom of religion and its exercise thereof; the right of the people to assemble peaceably, and to petition elected representative governing officials for redress of grievances; the right to have a well regulated Militia made up of free men, necessary to the security of a free State; the right of "we, the people" to keep and bear Arms to not be infringed; the right to one's own property and possessions and the protection thereof, against unreasonable searches and seizures without just and probable cause; the right to defend oneself against, not suffer double jeopardy, nor be compelled to witness against oneself, deprived of life, liberty, property - without due process of law, nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation - and the accused be given a just and speedy trial with impartiality before all with opportunity of defence by counsel, and the justice according to the rules of Common Law. And the right to representation that stands in the! ir place to legislate, judge, and administer the Law of the land. Every born or naturalized citizen is an American and subject to the jurisdiction thereof and no State shall make or enforce any law that shall abridge that right, privileges, immunities as Americans, nor deprive any American of life, liberty or property to any person despite their color, ethnicity, age, or gender. Americans are never to suffer oppression by any level of government or its members. Americans have a healthy stance of cynacism, question, and do not act like sheep led to the slaughter. For - to the slaughter they shall surely go - if they overly trust those who seek power to all else. Is it right and just to rob from the poor to give to the rich? Is it right and just to allow the privately held properties of others to be devalued and/or voted away for the personal agenda and self-gain of others? (Fascism.) Is it right to be taxed without being fully and truly informed? (Taxation w/o representation.) Is it right to be collectively indebted without knowing the full story as to why? Is it right to not be allowed to speak freely regarding questions that need to be answered? Is it right to use unjust means against private citizens to quell queries into and against smoke and mirror tactics, questionable behavior, decisions, and propaganda? Is it right to make governmental decisions without open and just information beforehand and decisions made without benefit of public meetings? Is it right to refuse an American his right to information needful to protect his own? Is it right to treat citizens as if they have no rights as Americans? Is it just to plac! e burdens on the backs of others so that negligence and mismanagement can be covered up? Is it right to use tax payer's money against honest, hard-working property owners and citizens who are only seeking justice deserved? There have been those among us who are always after their own gain to the loss of all things to everyone else. These are not Americans. They are oppressors. They are "something else" and must be exposed for what they are, and sent out of our land, away from us, and from our freedoms wherein they have misused, trampled within and upon. Will you sit and slumber while all is given away, stamped under other's feet, and taken away - what do you think will be the result thereof? At the moment, it might be the loss to some other, but eventually it will come back to haunt you also. For if oppression is allowed even for one American, then it will be for all - for such is the notoriousness of "case law", corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, and those who pursue power to the detriment of others and self-gain to themselves. If you allow one freedom to disappear, how long before the others follow suit? How long before it happens to you? Will you stand and deliver - as those who have gone before us? Are your freedoms important enough to fight and/or die for? Will your generation see the dissolution of America and its inhabitants - because injustice and oppression has been and is allowed? The time has come. Decide who and what you are. No one else can decide for you - for if they do - then Americans are no more. Something else has came to reside - and far too many have been blind, deaf, and dumb in recognizing it. Whatever it is, its not better than what America is supposed to be. May God bless us all, each and every one. nacs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a private communication. 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    12/27/2007 06:26:01
    1. [PAWASHIN] What is an American?
    2. E.J.Richards
    3. A large percentage (sometimes estimated to be as large as 30%) of the American population before the Revolution were Loyalists, particularly German emigrants who were uncomfortable declaring independence against a Hannoverian king. I have Loyalist and patriot ancestors. I am sure I am not alone. Among my patriot ancestors was a woman who took care of Washington's army after the Battle of Princeton in January 1777. So I do qualify to speak on this topic...Oh yes, she was a slave owner, and the liberties of her slaves were absolutely unimportant to her. She asked General Conwallis (who arrived after Washington) to "discipline" her slaves...so I really do not want to hear any of this dribble about "liberties"...liberties for white land-owners is one thing, and that apparently was all that was important back then. And I am not prepared to tolerate anyone who ignores the very racist past of our ancestors. Deny it and you deny your own history. On the other hand, my Loyalist ancestors (who had arrived in New York before 1730) were driven out of the Hudson Valley and went to Canada. And then some of them returned (as illegal aliens...shhhhhh, but ask a Canadian who the "real Americans" are, and you might be surprised at the answer...). In other words, it is a very complicated thing to be an American. Which means, of course, relax and lose the politics of some politicians who seem to have forgotten a rather considerable portion of American history... Cheers, Jeff Richards

    12/27/2007 01:00:07