Posted on: Venango Co. Pa Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/Venango/2390 Surname: Birtcil ------------------------- Saw your message at the Venango Co. site. My GGGGrandparents are John Birtcil and Mary O'Nail. Their son James and wife, Fanny Weaver, are followed by their son, John and Phebe Spangler, who are the parents of my grandfather, James Calvin Birtcil. I met 2 of your mother's sisters in 1981. I have a picture of them with my mother and Alan Jones. The ladies I met were Betty Apthorp ans Florence Cerri. If you have Alan's book, THREADS OF VENANGO, the picture is on pg.345.