This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gerald_Schneider Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I will try to find out. I have to research the funeral records at St. Joes and possibly the church records of the other Cartholic churches. If you happen to know the approximate date (day, month and 1901) I could check microfilm in library. We have a very dear friend, Judy Coogan. What was your maiden name?? Lewis?? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am curious, where would I find divorce records. I am looking for one for Ella May Say Schwartz, Swarts, Swarte. All spellings for the same person. Say was her maiden name. She married my grandfather as his first wife sometime after 1870. She was,lets say separated or divorced by 1885 I think, or else my grandfather was living in sin with what was supposed to be his second wife Nora Wheeler and in 1886 started having children. David and his second wife my grandma parted company possibly as early as 1909 right after the birth of their last child Marjorie who was # 7. When Ella May Say Schwartz, with various spellings of the name died in 1899, she was still listed as being Mrs. Schwartz according to an obit that I have. I live in Candor, NY and am on a fixed income and with the price of gas as you all well know, travel for such luxuries is not an option. Any help would be appreciated. a very confused granddaughter. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boswell879 Surnames: Hughes Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Gerald. It's so wonderful to finally see this! The pictures turned out fine uploaded as you did. I'll contact you privately regarding my snail mail address. Thank God for the kindness of strangers. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: elizabethdhanebury68 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gerald, Most of my family is in the Protestant part but I think my ggparents are in the Catholic section, I know some cousins are George Lewis and Anne Cogan/Coogan Lewis both died in 1901, can you tell me without funeral home data if they are in the St Joseph part? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gerald_Schneider Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have some information and picture of John & Ellen headstone I took in St. Joes cemetery. I haven't found Boswell yet, but have only checked half of the St. Joes cemetery. I am going away for the weekend so won't get back to it until next week. If you could give me your home address I could mail what I have to you. It is a possibility there are more Hughes' buried where this main headstone is but names were never inscribed. The picture shows HUGHES on front and side shows John and Ellen. I've never tried sending on rootsweb so hope it works. If so I will send the other info. the same way. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dmjenner Surnames: Hughes, Morgan, Hannon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would Maggie Hughes be one of your family names? I have my great grandmother's autograph book from the 1880's and one page is signed by a Maggie Hughes, South Oil City. That is where my ancestor Cecilia Morgan lived at that time, after she married she was Cecilia Hannon. She was born in 1874 and her family lived on Harrold Street. Cecilia's father was killed in a train wreck at the Cranberry Mines in 1882. The page in the autograph book is dated March 20, 1888. If this is one of your names, I could scan the page and send you a copy if you provide me with your email address. I think it is neat to see what our ancestor's handwriting looked like. You can reply to me privately at dmjenner@comcast.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boswell879 Surnames: Hughes Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No Gerald, I haven't yet but would like to this summer sometime. When visiting Venango County last summer to find graves and do research, I had free housing at my mother's in Mercer County. Altoona is another story, plus, because of a disabling illness, I have to use a wheelchair much of the time. It makes everything ten times harder to do because of access problems and finding hotels with proper handicapped accessible rooms, etc. That's one reason I was enraged by the difficulty I encountered in getting any cooperation from the secretary at St. Joe's until it was too late to find even my great-grandparents' graves. Altoona is on my agenda when I can. Thanks for your help. John Hughes had eight children and I have pictures and information about many of them. I expect six of them are buried at St. Joe's Old Cemetery. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gerald_Schneider Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just changed my title from jermaroc. I will see what I can find for you seeing as you have given me some dates to go by. Have you tried the court house in Altoona to find John's marriage license. His parents names would usually be on it. Venango court house records for marriage license can be researched by male & female names to find the license. I'll let you know whatever I find... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: schneider_michael Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried to get a marriage license from Venango County, Register/Recorder? There was very helpful info on my great grandparents license (1877).Named the church and priest along with parents info. You can email them from the Venango County web site to find out if they have it. They will charge a fee for a copy. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: schneider_michael Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My uncle Jerry is going to try and help you. You can see his reply on the Message Board. Things are busy at St. Joe for the small staff. There are indices of the burials from "Old" St. Joe and Grove Hill proper at library. However, the indices were made from headstones and markers. There are numerous graves in both Catholic cemeteries without any marker. I have an aunt in Calvary, died as infant, know where she is, no marker. Actually, the cemetery built a structure over top of her. If you are in Oil City, go to cemetery office in Grove Hill. I have visited there, the work foreman was very helpful. They have a plot layout and computer listing of burials. The St. Joseph section and Calvary Cemetery are strictly managed by the church. Grove Hill is "mountain goat" territory. The Catholic section is very steep. Has a road running up through it to the top. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boswell879 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much. I have been to Oil City Library, but did not have enough time there to check out everything. I wasn't aware there were indices of Grove Hill Cemetery, nor that there was a Catholic section of the same. I am sure my folks were buried in the Church cemetery associated with St. Joseph's because I have many of their OBITs and the burial locations are described as "St. Joseph Cemetery." I have about exhausted the Pennsylvania Room holdings and was able to find much information on family members there, just not burial locations from the older burials. I corresponded with the Diocese of Erie's rep. on the subject and although quite nice, she referred me back to Fr. Swoger. I will have to try again, as Fr. Swoger, although he wrote back, did not answer many of my questions such as whether Fr. John Carroll's records may be with the Diocese. Is Grove Hill the cemetery above the city (looking down on Bissell Ave., for instance) with burials on the sides of steep ! slopes? It looks like Mountain Goats would have had to accompany the funeral processions to the graves. I will try taking your suggestions and do thank you for your time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jermaroc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The St. Joseph cemetery you may be looking for is located across the road from my garage.It is part of Grove Hill cemetery which is a Protestant one. The entrance is where Cedar Ave. and Bishop Ave. meet. Calvary is located near the Oil City High School and entrance is at Lynch Blvd. and Oak Grove St. Fr. Swoger is Pastor of St. Joseph and Assumption Church besides being the Erie Diocease Vicarate and has to travel the Diocease which is made up of several counties. There is only one secretary and she has her hands full taking care of the every day business of the church. Fr. Swoger had asked me if I would be willing to help whenever someone emailed or phoned concerning Genealogy and I said would. I am not a youngster anymore (73) and am just getting over sinus infection that has been bothering me since last October. My nephew, who also replied to you, has mostly taken over our search of Family Trees which I started but I try to help as much as possible. I, too, can ! testify that the early record keeping by the roving Priest wasn't there. If you can give me the name and dates of death and if you know the Funeral home, I will try to find the information you are looking for. As my nephew said there are headstones and markers that are missing either because of vandalism, so old you can't read them, or they never had one. I've been looking for my GAunt and GUncle grave in St. Joseph cemetery where the Funeral home says she is buried her husband is listed as buried in the Protestant section as he was Luthern. I know his section and plot number but have traveled the entire section and no headstone to be found. In the Catholic section, I have found one of her sons headstones and a few of his children but have not located hers. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Very familiar with "Old" St. Joe. I agree with all you said. The library has been very helpful. St. Joe Church hasn't helped. Not the fault of current administration. The old parish leaders didn't keep good records, even when they had a number of priests with the Bishop. I guess in those days, they didn't for see the future interest in Genealogy. My great grandparents, A.G. Harper/ Ann Rose Harper and several children are buried down on the lower right side. My GGGM Anna Schwartkop and her 2d husband plus some Kluck grand kids are near a large tree towards top of hill on right side. The Weidle family has numerous graves in Grove Hill and in Old St. Joe. My GGF Ambrose Schneider was Rose Weidle's brother. Have numerous family members in Calvary. > [Original Message] > From: Mike Kelley <mkelley77@comcast.net> > To: <PAVENANG@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/12/2008 12:08:54 PM > Subject: [PAVENANG] "Old" St Joseph's cemetery (Oil City) > > Hey > I can feel your frustration. > I believe the "Old" St Joes cemetery to which they are referring is part of > what is now Grove Hill cemetery. The entrance too that cemetery is at the > top of Bishop St on the north side of Oil City. But rather than go in the > entrance at the top of Bishop, bear slightly to the right to an alley (it > was a dirt road when I was a kid but not sure if it's paved or what now) > which runs beside the fence of the cemetery. About half way down the alley > on the left there will be another entrance to the cemetery, a very steep > road. This other entrance road splits what I believe is the old St Joes > cemetery. I belonged to St Joseph's and several generations of my family are > buried their. I have at least one relative that was buried their in 1892. I > think that the section on the right of the steep entrance road has the older > graves and the section on the left was used later on. > > The people from the Venango Co Gen. Society have been extremely helpful in > the past. I think they are still on the second floor of the Oil City > library. > > If you have any other questions please fell free to ask. > > Good Luck > Mike Kelley > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAVENANG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey I can feel your frustration. I believe the "Old" St Joes cemetery to which they are referring is part of what is now Grove Hill cemetery. The entrance too that cemetery is at the top of Bishop St on the north side of Oil City. But rather than go in the entrance at the top of Bishop, bear slightly to the right to an alley (it was a dirt road when I was a kid but not sure if it's paved or what now) which runs beside the fence of the cemetery. About half way down the alley on the left there will be another entrance to the cemetery, a very steep road. This other entrance road splits what I believe is the old St Joes cemetery. I belonged to St Joseph's and several generations of my family are buried their. I have at least one relative that was buried their in 1892. I think that the section on the right of the steep entrance road has the older graves and the section on the left was used later on. The people from the Venango Co Gen. Society have been extremely helpful in the past. I think they are still on the second floor of the Oil City library. If you have any other questions please fell free to ask. Good Luck Mike Kelley

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: schneider_michael Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry for your frustrations. There is only one St. Joseph Cemetery in Oil City. St. Joseph is the Catholic Section of Grove Hill Cemetery. Some burials are still taking place there. Calvary Cemetery is the Catholic Cemetery in use today. They are located in different parts of the city. I have encountered difficulties with the Church and I was born raised and educated there. They are very understaffed(priest and secretary) and have difficulty with day-to-day activities.Catholic Church records are difficult to access everywhere. I can attest to that!There are many graves in Grove Hill without headstones or markers. The indices were made from those inscriptions.I am personal friends with a local Funeral Director and he admits that his GF and F didn't have plot numbers in their records. Agreed- church is wrong about HIPPA. However, the Oil City Library, Venango County Genealogical Club, has excellent indices of both libraries. There is another inactive Catholic Cemetery off of Orange St. extension for the early 1800's. Also, the Franklin Library, "PA Room", has excellent archives. All of these places are very busy. Also, you may be able to get help from the Diocese of Erie, Archivist. Most of the records prior to 1920 are there. The records are most frequently in Latin and must be translated.Beyond those problems, priests were notoriously bad record keepers. Best bet- try Oil City Library.They are slow but will come through. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Bernatow Surnames: Welton, Clarke Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/1089.2200/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The information I have is the Zeri Cleri Welton (d 1793 in PA) was the father of Milo Welton. He had two wives, not sure of the first but the second was Elizabeth Clarke. I am decended from the first wife through Milo to George Marvin (Milo's son) and Adaline Jackson. George Marvin and "Ada" had 12 children one of which is my grandfather Herbert Franklin. He )Herb) Married Margaret Ethyl Moore in Canada and are the parents of my mother Rose. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boswell879 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for hitting on what must be my greatest genealogical frustration to date. St. Joseph Cemetery, more accurately known as Calvary Cemetery in Oil City. There is no phone book listing for it nor is one available from Directory Assistance. The only contact is the secretary at St. Joseph Church (which is also unlisted. Call St. Joe's rectory secretary at 814-677-4004. Address is 35 Pearl Avenue, Oil City, PA 16301. The Pastor is Msgr. John Swoger. The secretary works only certain days for a few hours. The Church is the only way to contact anyone about the cemeteries. Here's the kicker: Father Swoger says that the Church has records of the cemetery only from 1922 to date. Absolutely no records before 1922. I can go back hundreds of years for my German relatives in Pennsylvania but can't find the graves of my 2nd great grandparents at St. Joe's. The Church secretary is incredibly uncooperative and it took a huge hassle just to get the grave sites information for my great! -grandparents, whose graves my Mom wanted to visit with me last summer. We never did find them, but at least now I know the lot numbers. There are two cemeteries for St. Joseph's. One is "the Old Cemetery," for which no one is willing or able to tell me where it is. I even got the run-around from these people to even give me directions to the Old Cemetery so I can look for my family. I still don't have an address or directions for that. Then there is Calvary, which is the newer church cemetery and still taking burials. I wanted to review the old church records myself and offered to even transcribe them for others for genealogical use of everyone, but the secretary recoiled in horror of the idea of allowing me to see 100 year old records, even if just to look for my folks, because of "privacy law" regarding medical items such as causes of death. I informed her that recent HIPPA privacy laws concern only electronic transmission and relation of medical information regarding! living people so as to protect identities, etc. She then fell back on the excuse of "well, that's how we feel here." It's insane. I have never before had such problems with getting cemetery information. Good luck to you. As a Catholic myself, I am absolutely filled with horror and disgust with how careless this parish was with the information about the dead they cared for. It's a total disrespect for the dead and for history itself. and don't believe their song and dance hogwash excuse about "traveling priests." St. Joe's has had in-house priests for generations. I even know some of their names. One last thing - Fr. Swoger may tell you to check with the Mormon's records (that just breaks me up). The sad fact is, the Mormons can't have records that St. Joe's never kept in the first place. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: monee101 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Linda! That is helpful info. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Linda_Schreiber Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6404.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If it were me, my very next step would be to get hold of a copy of the death cert. This would include the cemetery, and other much more relevant and useful info, as well. See: http://tinyurl.com/66wdx7 This is a shortened url that should take you to the genealogical death certs page of the Pennsylvania Health Dept. If for some reason the link doesn't work well, go to: http://www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/site/default.asp and follow the links to the death certs area, and then to the genealogical area. This is the archive that has death certs after 1906, and all they need in terms of precise death date is the year. You have that. The list of requirements can look daunting, but what they really need is full name, year of death, and any other identifiers you have [ie spouse name, city and county of death]. Note that most other things on the list are 'if known'. That would be where I would head next. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.