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    1. [PAVENANG] Murray men in early Venango County PA
    2. Three Murray got warrants for tracts in Allegheny County 1793-1795, which fell into Venango County when it was erected in 1800. The following information comes from the state land grant database. 1) James Murray got a warrant for 400 acres 20 December 1793; George Siggins got the patent 12 November 1835. 2) Samuel Murray got a warrant for 400 acres 20 December 1793; Pierce Butler got the patent 2 February 1809. 3) James Murray got a warrant for 400 acres 18 March 1794; Dr John Mitcheltree got the patent 25 September 1820. 4) William Murray got a warrant for 400 acres 14 April 1795; John Field got the patent 24 January 1799. Presumably the Murray men sold their rights to these tracts to others who patented them. Happy to know for any information about these three, or possibly four, Murray men.

    05/18/2016 02:55:46
    1. [PAVENANG] FW: Marriage record of Mary Magdeline Stover and Jacob Black, 1860's
    2. connie via
    3. Not sure if you are on Ancestry. so have to share a Just in Case item for you. This shows up as a piece of data and I am not on international ancestry so can't open it. But may be possible first wife for your George Schaible if he is one who immigrated. Ukraine, Select Births and Baptisms, 1784-1879 (in Ukrainian) Name: Georg Schaible Spouse: Magdalena Fode What I find interesting in my husbands branch is that Frances Black 1785 married to John Stover 1778 married in Huntington Co where she was from as he moved from Washington Co MD to Venango Co. They had two in Huntington and the next 7 in Pinegrove Twp, Venango Co.. They are the grandparents of Mary Magdalene Stover via John Philip Stover. Seems this Jacob Black could be a cousin of sorts but I can't seem to find Blacks other than Frances's father Christopher. Another thought is that Christopher was a Hessian who remained after the war and they went over the mountains to W PA rather soon. Mine went to Jersey Shore and then to Jefferson Co. Also interesting that the one Jacob Black of that area dies in Armstrong Co, Single and no knowledge of parents and a Kerr signs as person who recognized him. The birth estimate is what has me feel he is your Jacob Black. No b date is given on certificate though Kerr must have known how old he was. Name: Jacob Black Gender:Male Race:White Age:79 Birth Date:abt 1830 Birth Place:Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania Death Date:19 Jul 1909 Death Place:So Buffalo, Armstrong, Pennsylvania, USA Certificate Number:63327 Florence Amelia Black McDowell is my husband's 7th cousin once removed / immigrants from Swiss -Palatinate Mennonite lines. Connie -----Original Message----- From: pavenang-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pavenang-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian via Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:20 PM To: pavenang-l@rootsweb.com; paclario-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAVENANG] Marriage record of Mary Magdeline Stover and Jacob Black, 1860's I'm looking for information about a possible marriage of Jacob Black and Mary Magdeline Stover. If this marriage did happen, it probably would have been in the early 1860's. Jacob and Mary had at least one child together, Florence Amelia Black in 1864. Florence Amelia was adopted by the McDowell family and listed her maiden name as McDowell for most of her life. I know that Mary (who used the name Magdeline sometimes too) later married Gottlieb/George Schaible and went on to have two more girls. Because Florence Amelia was adopted it makes me wonder if Jacob and Mary were ever really married. I never found any record of Mary using the last name of Black. And I'm not sure what became of Jacob later in life. Does anyone have access to marriage records from this time? I'd be interested to know if one exists for this couple. I am interested to see if there is also a marriage record for Gottlieb/George Schaible to Mary. If there is, what is Mary's last name on it? Is it S! tover (indicating it's her first marriage) or Black (indicating that she was married before)? Thanks,Brian

    04/28/2015 08:57:22
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] Venango County Marriages
    2. Eliz Hanebury via
    3. The UrL broke and thanks to that it gave a huge list of Venango Co. records it holds <G> food for thought. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Lori Terwilliger via <pavenang@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Brian's post reminded me I should post this again. The Allen County Public > Library in Fort Wayne, IN (second largest genealogical library in the world) > has a copy of the brides and grooms index to the Venango County Courthouse > from Oct 1885-Dec 1992 > (http://alpl.ent.sirsi.net/client/genealogy/search/results?qu=venango+county > +marriages). > > > > > > > > Lori Terwilliger > > Bowling Green Ohio > > > > BEERS, BOWERSOX, GULNAC, HUMPHREY, MYERS, RANKIN, POTTER, SHARP, SHOUP, > STAHLMAN, TERWILLIGER > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAVENANG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/28/2015 07:01:16
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] Probate research
    2. connie via
    3. Brian In PA these are in our Court Houses' "Registry of Wills" office. Not saying some Historical Soc don't have some records but these books are HUGE and were often destroyed in early fires etc. So do write the registry of wills office first to see what years they have and where they are. Also you may wish to check which hours they are open and which days they might possibly be closed for holidays etc.. I had fun looking through the large volumes the Franklin Co CH has, and then trying to make copies to take home. Take quarters and bills with you Just In Case the court house there uses those types of machines. The ones I have been to, I paid at the desk and they had these keys to use at the machines to total charges. They will be most helpful to you I am sure. They usually don't come from their office behind the desk to help you search within books, but will direct you to which rows of books are what you are looking for. They are BUSY!!! ;) Connie -----Original Message----- From: pavenang-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pavenang-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian via Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:10 AM To: pavenang-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAVENANG] Probate research I've been researching several families in Venango county and I'm considering making a trip there to look at some records. Specifically I'd like to see what wills and estate records exist for some of these people. This would be going back into the early and mid 1800's up to the mid 1900's. Can anyone familiar with the area tell me where would be the best place to go for that? The courthouse itself? Or are those records also at the local historical society? Or somewhere else? Thanks for your help! Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAVENANG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/28/2015 06:48:19
    1. [PAVENANG] Venango County Marriages
    2. Lori Terwilliger via
    3. Brian's post reminded me I should post this again. The Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN (second largest genealogical library in the world) has a copy of the brides and grooms index to the Venango County Courthouse from Oct 1885-Dec 1992 (http://alpl.ent.sirsi.net/client/genealogy/search/results?qu=venango+county +marriages). Lori Terwilliger Bowling Green Ohio BEERS, BOWERSOX, GULNAC, HUMPHREY, MYERS, RANKIN, POTTER, SHARP, SHOUP, STAHLMAN, TERWILLIGER

    04/28/2015 06:05:13
    1. [PAVENANG] Probate research
    2. Brian via
    3. I've been researching several families in Venango county and I'm considering making a trip there to look at some records. Specifically I'd like to see what wills and estate records exist for some of these people. This would be going back into the early and mid 1800's up to the mid 1900's. Can anyone familiar with the area tell me where would be the best place to go for that? The courthouse itself? Or are those records also at the local historical society? Or somewhere else? Thanks for your help! Brian

    04/28/2015 04:10:06
    1. [PAVENANG] Marriage record of Mary Magdeline Stover and Jacob Black, 1860's
    2. Brian via
    3. I'm looking for information about a possible marriage of Jacob Black and Mary Magdeline Stover. If this marriage did happen, it probably would have been in the early 1860's.  Jacob and Mary had at least one child together, Florence Amelia Black in 1864.   Florence Amelia was adopted by the McDowell family and listed her maiden name as McDowell for most of her life.  I know that Mary (who used the name Magdeline sometimes too) later married Gottlieb/George Schaible and went on to have two more girls.   Because Florence Amelia was adopted it makes me wonder if Jacob and Mary were ever really married.  I never found any record of Mary using the last name of Black.  And I'm not sure what became of Jacob later in life.  Does anyone have access to marriage records from this time?  I'd be interested to know if one exists for this couple.  I am interested to see if there is also a marriage record for Gottlieb/George Schaible to Mary.  If there is, what is Mary's last name on it?  Is it Stover (indicating it's her first marriage) or Black (indicating that she was married before)? Thanks,Brian

    04/21/2015 10:20:28
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] 1885 birth for Bertha M. Barber
    2. Elizabeth Abbott via
    3. Thanks for your reply Kipp. Is it possible that my grandmother was never baptized? This is what I know so far about my family's time in Pennsylvania: 1874: Feb. 27 - Adam Barber married Elizabeth Pitt in Cardinal, Ontario, Canada; however on the marriage record his residence was given as Sharon, PA 1874: Dec. 11 - son William John was born in PA. 1877: July 15 - daughter Sarah Ann (Sadie) was born in Elk City, PA. 1880: The census for Beaver Township, Clarion County, shows Adam was listed an oil producer. His brother George Barber is listed as a hotel keeper on State Street in Edenburg, PA. 1882: July 2 - son Joseph Arthur was born in PA . 1882: Adam joined the Methodist Church (according to his obituary). 1885: Jan. 8 - Adam purchased five acres "neat measure" in the Township of Ashland in Clarion County from John M. Dieterich. 1885: Sept. 28 - my grandmother Bertha May was born in Egypt, PA. 1887: Adam and family had returned to Ontario, Canada where their two youngest children were born. 1897: Adam died in Cardinal, Ontario, Canada My grandmother's death registration simply says she was born in "Egypt, Pennsylvania" which I thought was probably Egypt Corners in Cranberry Township because of the locations above. I note your comment about a Barber family who came from England, however Adam was born near Ottawa in 1846 - I have a copy of his baptism. However, my grandmother said that the family originally came from Ireland. If you can offer any new direction, I would really appreciate your help. Sincerely, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: themelats [mailto:themelats@verizon.net] Sent: March-29-15 8:55 AM To: Elizabeth Abbott Subject: Re: [PAVENANG] 1885 birth for Bertha M. Barber Hi Elizabeth, in response to your post, the only Egypt Corners that I am aware of is in Cranberry Township, Venango County--there could be another, but the one in Cranberry Township is the only one I know of. I happen to have the Methodist church records for Cranberry Township but I see no baptism record for Bertha and I don't see Adam or Elizabeth Barber appear in any of the class rolls or membership lists for that time frame. There is a Barber family that did settle (and still live) in Cranberry Township, but they seemed to come directly from England, but could have come through Canada. They were in Cranberry before the oil rush began. Sorry I could not be of more help. Good luck in your search! Cheers, Kipp Melat Fairfax, VA -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Abbott via Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:11 AM To: PAVENANG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAVENANG] 1885 birth for Bertha M. Barber My grandmother, Bertha May Barber, was born Sept. 28, 1885 in Egypt (Egypt Corners) in Venango according to her death certificate. Her parents were Adam Barber and Elizabeth Pitt who came from Canada to Pennsylvania in the mid 1870's because of the oil rush. I understand that 1885 was too early for civil birth registrations in Pennsylvania. However perhaps someone has access to local church records or some other document that will confirm a her date and place of birth. If anyone can help out, I'd really appreciate it. Many thanks, Elizabeth BC, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAVENANG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/29/2015 04:29:49
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] Struthers
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jilester Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6713.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    03/27/2015 08:44:56
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] Struthers
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: donegal16127 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6713.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I checked on Genealogy Bank but didn't find an obit for her. I did find the SS Death Index on her there: Elizabeth K. Howgard: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record Name: Elizabeth K. Howgard State of Issue: Pennsylvania Date of Birth: Wednesday October 20, 1915 Date of Death: Wednesday February 24, 1999 Est. Age at Death: 83 years, 4 months, 4 days Confirmation: Verified Last known residence: City: Shippenville County: Clarion State: Pennsylvania ZIP Code: 16254 Latitude: 41.2510 Longitude: -79.4124 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    03/27/2015 04:53:57
    1. [PAVENANG] 1885 birth for Bertha M. Barber
    2. Elizabeth Abbott via
    3. My grandmother, Bertha May Barber, was born Sept. 28, 1885 in Egypt (Egypt Corners) in Venango according to her death certificate. Her parents were Adam Barber and Elizabeth Pitt who came from Canada to Pennsylvania in the mid 1870's because of the oil rush. I understand that 1885 was too early for civil birth registrations in Pennsylvania. However perhaps someone has access to local church records or some other document that will confirm a her date and place of birth. If anyone can help out, I'd really appreciate it. Many thanks, Elizabeth BC, Canada

    03/27/2015 03:11:42
    1. [PAVENANG] Struthers
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jilester Surnames: Struthers, Howgard Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6713/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone have access to The Oil City Derrick for 1999. I am searching for an obit for my uncles wife,Elizabeth K Struthers Howgard, She was born 20 Oct 1915 probably in Oil City,PA and died 24 Feb,1999. She was the wife of Charles W Howgard. Thank you in advance Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    03/26/2015 08:40:16
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] Have marriage book for Venango County. - Will do free lookup.
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cwatshome Surnames: WATSON/COURSEN or COURSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/4191.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for offering your time to do these lookups. It is very much appreciated. Could you please check for a marriage between 1835 and 1844 for WATSON and COURSEN? Thanks for your help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    03/20/2015 01:30:34
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] JAMES, EFFIE, FRANK, JAMES A., MARTHA LUELLA
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cazcmarsh40 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/2005.2047/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am not sure if you are still working on this... but Kenneth Lee Myers Sr is my father. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/27/2015 09:46:58
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] 1852 birth (Davies) in Franklin
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hanes95 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6706.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for responding. It's great to hear from you. I'm not a direct descendant. My grt. grt. grandfather (William) was a brother to DWD's father, David. I came across DWD many years ago in the census returns, initially for 1871 when he was with his grandfather in Penrallt, Dinorwig and in various other places in subsequent census returns following his marriage. Initially, I did little in the way of researching his history, prefering to focus more on my own direct lines of ancestry. However, I always intended to get back to him. He potentially seemed quite interesting because of his American birth. I finally began to research him about a year ago and have come across quite a lot since then. I have recently started to write his story as far as I know it. However, most of what I have is still in note form, and it's all in Welsh. I'm presuming for some reason that you will not understand it as it is,- but you may surprise me! I will get back to you with what I have as I write it. Your getting in touch will certainly spur me on to get it written up. I think you will already have a lot of the information I have but I suspect that some of it will be new to you. I'm pretty certain that DWD's mother and sister went to live in Caernarfon after initially living with his mother's brother in Llandwrog. Don't think things worked out that well for them, as it seems they both resided later in that town's workhouse. DWD went on to develop an eventful career as an agent and specialist consultant in the slate quarrying industry. However, he eventually was bankrupted and spent the last years of his life in the Bala area, helping one of his sons, also called David Washington, to run a hotel a few miles outside the town. As I noted earlier, I will get back to you with much more detail as soon as I get it all written down - and translated! In the meantime it would be great to hear about your side of the family. Iwan. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/27/2015 08:08:47
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] MITCHELL BOOK
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sandykb Surnames: MITCHELL Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/846.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Karen, Did you ever publish the book on the Robert Mitchell family? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/26/2015 06:39:43
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] 1852 birth (Davies) in Franklin
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johnbarnes25 Surnames: Davies Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6706.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David Washington Davies is my great great grandfather. I can confirm that he was born on 22 February 1852 in America but have not been able to trace any records. He returned to the UK with his mother and sister Margaret after the death of his father. I don't know how far you have got with your research but I have a lot of details regarding the family if you are interested. How are you related to him? Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/23/2015 08:06:09
    1. [PAVENANG] John Foster McGinnis and Sarah McClatchey
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jamesfry76 Surnames: McGinnis, McClatchey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6712.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Foster McGinnis Birth: Mar. 12, 1805 Death: Jan. 22, 1871 He married Sarah Jane McClatchey on 18Feb1834 in Rockland Presbyterian Church, Venango Co., PA. They had 9 children: Caroline Jane 1834-1884 married SHELL Mathew M. 1836-1912 married Martha Jane Clover Elizabeth 1838-1853 Harry 1841-1922 married Mary A. Knappenberger Mary b. 1843- married WILKINSON John Foster b. 1845 married RUMBAUGH Sarah Margaret 1849-1926 married RUMBAUGH Samuel Wilson 1850-1911 married Mary Jane Mahle Lucy Amanda b. 1853 married STOREY Family links: Parents: James B Maginnis (1749 - 1836) Martha B Wilson Maginnis (1761 - 1836) Spouse: Sarah Jane McClatchey McGinnis (1813 - 1853) Children: Mathew M McGinnis (1836 - 1912) Elizabeth McGinnis (1838 - 1853) Samuel Wilson McGinnis (1850 - 1911) Burial: Richland Presbyterian Cemetery Clarion County Pennsylvania, USA Maintained by: Carol-Jeanne Brown Shaw Originally Created by: Todd Walker Record added: Dec 06, 2009 Find A Grave Memorial# 45188092 Sarah McClatchey Her father, Charles McClatchey, was a Continental soldier in the Revolutionary War, and spent his last years in Salem township, where at his death his remains wre interred. One of his sons, Samuel McClatchey, was a prominent steamboat captain; the remainder of his family were as follows: Betsy, Peggy, Jane, Sarah, John, Robert and William. All of the sons were over six feet in height. ---------------------------------- Birth: Oct. 10, 1813, Scotland Death: Apr. 11, 1853 Clarion County Pennsylvania, USA Sarah was the daughter of Charles McClatchey and Elizabeth Crawford. She married John Foster McGinnis on 18Feb1834 in Rockland Presbyterian Church, Venango Co., PA. They had 9 children: Caroline Jane 1834-1884 married SHELL Mathew M. 1836-1912 married Martha Jane Clover Elizabeth 1838-1853 Harry 1841-1922 married Mary A. Knappenberger Mary b. 1843- married WILKINSON John Foster b. 1845 married RUMBAUGH Sarah Margaret 1849-1926 married RUMBAUGH Samuel Wilson 1850-1911 married Mary Jane Mahle Lucy Amanda b. 1853 married STOREY Family links: Parents: Charles McClatchey (1769 - 1839) Elizabeth Crawford McClatchey (1771 - 1843) Spouse: John Foster McGinnis (1805 - 1871) Children: Mathew M McGinnis (1836 - 1912) Elizabeth McGinnis (1838 - 1853) Samuel Wilson McGinnis (1850 - 1911) Inscription: Wife of J F McGinnis Burial: Richland Presbyterian Cemetery Clarion County Pennsylvania, USA Maintained by: Carol-Jeanne Brown Shaw Originally Created by: Todd Walker Record added: Dec 06, 2009 Find A Grave Memorial# 45188084 Children: Caroline Jane 1834 Matthew M. 1836 Elizabeth 1838 Harry 1841 Mary B. 1843 John Foster 1845 Sarah Margaret 1849 Samuel Wilson 1850 Lucy Amanda 1853 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/20/2015 04:04:21
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] McGinnis / Schell of Venango and Clarion Counties
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaDickey17 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6712.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I did not know that they had another son, I know that they had my gggrandfather Samuel Milton and a daughter Carrie Jane. Thank you for the information, you have just made my day :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/16/2015 11:35:49
    1. Re: [PAVENANG] McGinnis / Schell of Venango and Clarion Counties
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jamesfry76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.venango/6712.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Foster Mcginnis and Sarah McClatchey had 9 children. The only child I have information on for Caroline and George is their son William A. Shell and his wife, Hannah Davis. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/16/2015 01:50:49