In a message dated 5/5/2002 3:25:16 PM Central Daylight Time, MEGBR549 writes: > . The two bridegrooms go 105 miles from san augustine co. tx to camp rondo, > arkansas and both of them die before they even get to war of measles and > flux. Buried together in arkansas. > I'm not altogether sure of this even.....I think we got ourselves confused on the initials. We are looking for (1) James B (W?) Patterson (b 1840) who married IN 1860 (2) Marcella DODD (b ?) and (3) James (I'm no longer sure but I think M) DODD (b ?) who married IN 1860 the(4) Malissa Caroline PATTERSON (b 1848) , sister to James Burton (W?) above. The 1850 SABINE CO CENSUS has these PATTERSON kids at home with their parents (6 & 7) Matilda Caroline and Plesent W "Peter" PATTERSON. The 1860 SAN AUGUSTINE Census (before the double wedding) has these kids still at home with their parents. I have yet to see the 1850 Census for James and Marcella DODD at home with their parents. I have NO records of (4) having the name "Elizabeth" at all. If you do, please tell me where. As far as I know we have none of these kids in the 1870 Census. The 6th company has the WRONG PATTTERSON! It has J M (or N) PATTERSON. Now the (2) Marcella Dodd & (1) James Burton (W?) PATTERSON had one son -- the little "stolen" boy -- (5)James M (or N) PATTERSON (b. 1862), who wasn't even born until the Civil War was underway. HE was with his PATTERSON GRANDPARENTS and apparently married in 1889 to ROUGEAU (not confirmed but seems to be the case). Widows are (4) Malisa Caroline Patterson DODD (Mrs. James M(?) & (2) Marcella Dodd PATTERSON (Mrs. James B (W?). Oral tradition tells us the men both died in the Civil War, as I understand it. 1. we do not know what happened to lucy marcella dodd patterson after mid, 1860's when she hired the lawyer to go get  her husbands pay? The widow's records we have are for (9) Lucy Marcella Dodd Patterson (Mrs. James N). I have to ask whether this is the right Marcella Dodd Patterson. I haven't seen her pension application papers to know if she is the right one or not. We need to look at AGAIN ---1850 Census & 1860 CENSUS where our (2) Marcella is home with her parents and get her name as it is recorded there and her DOB and her brother's accurate name & DOB. Check these records against the Civil War records. Then in the 1870 Census, we think (2) Marcella might have married again, as I understand it. Someone will have to remind me what name it was she was rumored to have remarried. Or am I wrong about who remarried? As far as I know, (4) Malisa Caroline Patterson DODD vanishes after 1860, presumably dead. However, she might have remarried and we just haven't found her. I would THINK a young widow might go live with her parents or in laws otherwise, and she was only 12 or 3 when she married. Most likely she died, perhaps in childbirth and neither she nor her child survived. What I don't have to look at, since I'm not a DODD researcher, and my real interest is in tracing the children (if any) of these two couples (since such children would be WEBB descendants through Matilda Caroline Webb Patterson (Mrs. Plesent W "Peter) is the 1850/60/70/80 DODD information for the parents of Marcella Dodd Patterson and James M. Patterson, her brother. 3.  The pattersons in sabine and the pattersons in St. Landrays Parish, and Rapides?  DID they enroll in both census=-OR Are they different families? I have Matilda Caroline and Plesent W "Peter" Patterson in Sabine in 1850, San Augustine in 1860, Rapides 1870, and ST. Landry's in 1880. Nothing inconsistent about that. I just looked at the 1850 San Augustine and the PATTERSON families there don't have similar names, and I found NO DODD families in it. Could you be missing the change in the years? I would make sure of all our initials first. Then I would look in the searchable 1880 DBs for Malisa/Melissa/MC/ Melissa Caroline/Caroline b 1848 TX and for Marcella/Lucy/ Lucy Marcella/ Marcella Lucy/ ML/ LM b whatever is the right year and place. See if we turn either of the gals up. IF we do perhaps we can work backwards from there. Anne