This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02A37B3AEE3942F23CD5406E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cay, I believe you were the first one who put me on to this Robert Patterson family about 6 or 8 months ago. I didn't have enough of a grasp on the census and deed records at that time to give you any help from the perspective you were asking. But you definitely set me on a course that has allowed/forced me to refocus on all of these Pattersons once again, but with a brighter light of understanding. Thanks again for setting me in this direction. I've been looking for leads like this for over 11 years. I know many others who descend from John and Margaret have been looking for a lot longer than I have, too. Wes Cay Devin wrote: > West, > > I think your doing a great job. I'm from the Robert Patterson > (1727-1791) > line (from son Robert) and I too believe that John Patterson (m. to > Margaret > Black) is the son of Thomas Patterson. A year or so ago I also dug > through > those census records looking for Thomas Patterson, and the most > likely > candidate I could find was the one you mentioned on the 1800 Buncombe > Co NC > Census. The one living next door to John and Margaret Black > Patterson. > > I didn't get to spend must time following Thomas, personal things have > > pulled me away from my genealogy research for the last year or so.... > But > I'm very happy to see someone else continuing along the same line.. > > Cay Devin > New Email address: devinc@devca.com > > > On 8/17/01 7:48 AM, "wpatersn@wfubmc.edu" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> wrote: > > > Robert Patterson of the old Craven Co./York Co., SC lived from ca. > 1727 > > to 1791. His oldest son was Thomas Patterson, born ca. 1748, > probably > > around Augusta Co., Va. Thomas sold land to his father Robert > Patterson > > in York Co., SC in 1786, possibly indicating that he was leaving the > > > area as many families were. > > > > There was a Thomas Patterson listed in the 1800 Buncombe Co., NC > census. > > I realize that all the land (in NC) west of Buncombe county was > Indian > > lands in 1800, but all white persons in those lands were recorded on > the > > Buncombe county census. Who was this Thomas Patterson? Does anyone > have > > any information to show that he was NOT the son of the York county, > SC > > Robert Patterson? > > > > I am open to anyone who will offer corrections to my information, > but > > lately I have (once again) been pouring over the census records of > 1790, > > 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. for upper SC, Buncombe, Haywood and Macon > > counties of NC, and the north Ga counties of Hall, Habersham, Rabun, > and > > Union during the 1830, 1834, and 1840 years (there's an 1834 listing > for > > Union in case some of you didn't know). > > > > I believe that Thomas Patterson (son of Robert Patterson 1727-1791 > of > > York Co., SC) was the father of "our" John Patterson, the one who > > married Margaret Black about 1788 in the old Pendleton District of > SC. > > John and Margaret were in Union Co., Ga in 1840, and Margaret was > still > > living during the 1850 Union Co., Ga census. > > > > I DO know that our John (b. ca. 1765-1767 SC, d. 1840s GA) was in > the > > Buncombe Co., NC census in 1800 and 1810. I know that he was > involved in > > land deeds in Buncombe county between 1800 and 1810 involving tracts > of > > land called "Newfound" and "French Broad River", and others. These > deeds > > were with a Richard Morrow and a Reuben Black. The Blacks, > Pattersons, > > Morrows, and Ponders were all involved in land transactions on those > > > tracts of land during those years. Most of these same > families/family > > members were living next to each other in 1810 in Buncombe also. > Also, > > John Patterson married Margaret Black (as mentioned before), and > their > > oldest son was named Joseph B. Patterson. There were quite a few > Joseph > > Blacks in that area, and I have always wondered if his full name was > > > Joseph Black Patterson. > > > > As for Thomas Patterson - he was living right next to our John > Patterson > > in 1800! I was just reviewing the original microfilm for that 1800 > > Buncombe census, and let me tell you - having transcriptions of > records > > available online are great helps, but they don't replace the value > of > > the original. The online versions of this census I have read before > are > > in alphabetical order. But there were several Pattersons in Buncombe > > > then. But when you look at the microfilm of the original you'll see > that > > John Patterson was the last line on page 184 and that Thomas > Patterson > > was the first line on page 185 - right next to him. The other > Pattersons > > in 1800 were much farther away from them in the "P"s section. > > > > Thomas was listed as 45+ in 1800 (Robert's son Thomas would have > been > > about 52). John was in the 26-45 category (most records have him as > > being born about 1766 or 67 - that would make him 33 or 34). We know > > > that Robert's Thomas had a son named John according to the 1775 will > of > > Robert Patterson - most researchers of that family having Thomas's > John > > as being born ca. 1765-1766. Well, the 1810 Buncombe county census > lists > > our John as 45+ which if he was actually 45, that would be a birth > year > > of 1765. So I have modified my records in my database to list his > birth > > year as "about 1765 - 1767". The point being he is definitely old > enough > > to be the same John referred to in Robert's will. > > > > Another thing... Robert not only had the son Thomas, but he also had > a > > daughter named Lydia who married a John Black. So we know the Blacks > and > > the York Co., SC Pattersons were together, as well. Also, another > > daughter of Robert named Elizabeth married Daniel Ponder (Pounders > in > > some records). This is the same Ponders that was involved in land > deeds > > in Buncombe county in 1801. He bought land on the "Newfound" from > George > > Black. > > > > The only other thing I know about Thomas Patterson is that he sold > land > > to his father in York, SC in 1786. Was he and his son John on the > move > > at that point? We do know that our John was over in Pendleton > District > > by 1788 when he married Margaret Black, and in 1790 on the census. > That > > was moving NW, and between 1795 and 1798 we know that John and > Margaret > > had moved into the western part of NC. Their son John II was born > ca. > > 1798 in NC. And then we have John and Margaret listed on the > Buncombe > > census in 1800 right next to a Thomas Patterson (and Thomas's wife, > by > > the way). > > > > Six months ago when I was first looking at these Craven/York county > > Pattersons, I felt pretty positive about the possibilities of a > link, > > but since I have been going through the deed records of Buncombe > again > > and the census records (originals) again, it's making much clearer > > sense. > > > > I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this line of thinking > (Thomas > > being the father of "our" John), whether you agree with me or not. I > > > will never have all of the facts, that's why I need all of your > > feedback. Thank you so much. > > > > Wes Patterson > > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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