Hi .. I'm new to this list. I just recently discovered a Patterson in my family line. He was Robert Patterson who married Elizabeth Porter. They had a daughter, Catherine, born abt 1817 in VA (I think) who married Delos Strickland. Catherine turns out to be my ggggrandmother. Any connections to your Pattersons? Thank for your time, Judy in California -----Original Message----- From: Wes Patterson <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> To: PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com <PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: [PATTERSON] Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------02A37B3AEE3942F23CD5406E >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Cay, > >I believe you were the first one who put me on to this Robert Patterson >family about 6 or 8 months ago. I didn't have enough of a grasp on the >census and deed records at that time to give you any help from the >perspective you were asking. But you definitely set me on a course that >has allowed/forced me to refocus on all of these Pattersons once again, >but with a brighter light of understanding. Thanks again for setting me >in this direction. I've been looking for leads like this for over 11 >years. I know many others who descend from John and Margaret have been >looking for a lot longer than I have, too. > >Wes > >Cay Devin wrote: > >> West, >> >> I think your doing a great job. I'm from the Robert Patterson >> (1727-1791) >> line (from son Robert) and I too believe that John Patterson (m. to >> Margaret >> Black) is the son of Thomas Patterson. A year or so ago I also dug >> through >> those census records looking for Thomas Patterson, and the most >> likely >> candidate I could find was the one you mentioned on the 1800 Buncombe >> Co NC >> Census. The one living next door to John and Margaret Black >> Patterson. >> >> I didn't get to spend must time following Thomas, personal things have >> >> pulled me away from my genealogy research for the last year or so.... >> But >> I'm very happy to see someone else continuing along the same line.. >> >> Cay Devin >> New Email address: devinc@devca.com >> >> >> On 8/17/01 7:48 AM, "wpatersn@wfubmc.edu" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> wrote: >> >> > Robert Patterson of the old Craven Co./York Co., SC lived from ca. >> 1727 >> > to 1791. His oldest son was Thomas Patterson, born ca. 1748, >> probably >> > around Augusta Co., Va. Thomas sold land to his father Robert >> Patterson >> > in York Co., SC in 1786, possibly indicating that he was leaving the >> >> > area as many families were. >> > >> > There was a Thomas Patterson listed in the 1800 Buncombe Co., NC >> census. >> > I realize that all the land (in NC) west of Buncombe county was >> Indian >> > lands in 1800, but all white persons in those lands were recorded on >> the >> > Buncombe county census. Who was this Thomas Patterson? Does anyone >> have >> > any information to show that he was NOT the son of the York county, >> SC >> > Robert Patterson? >> > >> > I am open to anyone who will offer corrections to my information, >> but >> > lately I have (once again) been pouring over the census records of >> 1790, >> > 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. for upper SC, Buncombe, Haywood and Macon >> > counties of NC, and the north Ga counties of Hall, Habersham, Rabun, >> and >> > Union during the 1830, 1834, and 1840 years (there's an 1834 listing >> for >> > Union in case some of you didn't know). >> > >> > I believe that Thomas Patterson (son of Robert Patterson 1727-1791 >> of >> > York Co., SC) was the father of "our" John Patterson, the one who >> > married Margaret Black about 1788 in the old Pendleton District of >> SC. >> > John and Margaret were in Union Co., Ga in 1840, and Margaret was >> still >> > living during the 1850 Union Co., Ga census. >> > >> > I DO know that our John (b. ca. 1765-1767 SC, d. 1840s GA) was in >> the >> > Buncombe Co., NC census in 1800 and 1810. I know that he was >> involved in >> > land deeds in Buncombe county between 1800 and 1810 involving tracts >> of >> > land called "Newfound" and "French Broad River", and others. These >> deeds >> > were with a Richard Morrow and a Reuben Black. The Blacks, >> Pattersons, >> > Morrows, and Ponders were all involved in land transactions on those >> >> > tracts of land during those years. Most of these same >> families/family >> > members were living next to each other in 1810 in Buncombe also. >> Also, >> > John Patterson married Margaret Black (as mentioned before), and >> their >> > oldest son was named Joseph B. Patterson. There were quite a few >> Joseph >> > Blacks in that area, and I have always wondered if his full name was >> >> > Joseph Black Patterson. >> > >> > As for Thomas Patterson - he was living right next to our John >> Patterson >> > in 1800! I was just reviewing the original microfilm for that 1800 >> > Buncombe census, and let me tell you - having transcriptions of >> records >> > available online are great helps, but they don't replace the value >> of >> > the original. The online versions of this census I have read before >> are >> > in alphabetical order. But there were several Pattersons in Buncombe >> >> > then. But when you look at the microfilm of the original you'll see >> that >> > John Patterson was the last line on page 184 and that Thomas >> Patterson >> > was the first line on page 185 - right next to him. The other >> Pattersons >> > in 1800 were much farther away from them in the "P"s section. >> > >> > Thomas was listed as 45+ in 1800 (Robert's son Thomas would have >> been >> > about 52). John was in the 26-45 category (most records have him as >> > being born about 1766 or 67 - that would make him 33 or 34). We know >> >> > that Robert's Thomas had a son named John according to the 1775 will >> of >> > Robert Patterson - most researchers of that family having Thomas's >> John >> > as being born ca. 1765-1766. Well, the 1810 Buncombe county census >> lists >> > our John as 45+ which if he was actually 45, that would be a birth >> year >> > of 1765. So I have modified my records in my database to list his >> birth >> > year as "about 1765 - 1767". The point being he is definitely old >> enough >> > to be the same John referred to in Robert's will. >> > >> > Another thing... Robert not only had the son Thomas, but he also had >> a >> > daughter named Lydia who married a John Black. So we know the Blacks >> and >> > the York Co., SC Pattersons were together, as well. Also, another >> > daughter of Robert named Elizabeth married Daniel Ponder (Pounders >> in >> > some records). This is the same Ponders that was involved in land >> deeds >> > in Buncombe county in 1801. He bought land on the "Newfound" from >> George >> > Black. >> > >> > The only other thing I know about Thomas Patterson is that he sold >> land >> > to his father in York, SC in 1786. Was he and his son John on the >> move >> > at that point? We do know that our John was over in Pendleton >> District >> > by 1788 when he married Margaret Black, and in 1790 on the census. >> That >> > was moving NW, and between 1795 and 1798 we know that John and >> Margaret >> > had moved into the western part of NC. Their son John II was born >> ca. >> > 1798 in NC. And then we have John and Margaret listed on the >> Buncombe >> > census in 1800 right next to a Thomas Patterson (and Thomas's wife, >> by >> > the way). >> > >> > Six months ago when I was first looking at these Craven/York county >> > Pattersons, I felt pretty positive about the possibilities of a >> link, >> > but since I have been going through the deed records of Buncombe >> again >> > and the census records (originals) again, it's making much clearer >> > sense. >> > >> > I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this line of thinking >> (Thomas >> > being the father of "our" John), whether you agree with me or not. I >> >> > will never have all of the facts, that's why I need all of your >> > feedback. Thank you so much. >> > >> > Wes Patterson >> > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html >> > >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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