This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Harald Reksten" <hreksten@erols.com>. Please do not reply to the listowner! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Reksten" <hreksten@erols.com> To: <PattersonGenealogyNC@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net>; "Patterson Rootsweb List" <PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > Wes, > > The name Joseph is mentioned in Robert's will and is presumed to be a brother to Robert. A Joseph of about the right age is mentioned in the court records of York County. I have not seen any real evidence of the names of any other siblings to Robert (1791). > > Harald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wpatersn@wfubmc.edu > To: PattersonGenealogyNC@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Debra Clark ; Patterson Rootsweb List > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > Harald, > > Thanks for pointing that out. You're absolutely correct. By the way, do > you know who provided the names of Robert's (ca. 1727-1791) of > Craven/York brothers? i.e., William, Peter, and Joseph? Thanks. > > Wes > > Harald Reksten wrote: > > > Wes, > > > > Actually Robert's will from York County, SC does not mention Augusta > > County, VA (it only mentions Virginia). As far as I know there is no > > known proof that Robert of York County was from Augusta Co, VA but it > > is certainly possible. > > > > Harald > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: wpatersn@wfubmc.edu > > To: Debra Clark > > Cc: Patterson Rootsweb List ; PattersonGenealogyNC > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:52 PM > > Subject: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret > > Patterson family > > > > > > Debra, > > > > Yes, I have that same record from John of Great Bridge, Va. I don't > > have it with > > me (at work) so I wasn't able to refer to that earlier when I > > replied to you. > > There are other accounts of these same families though that do > > confuse the > > issue, as you mentioned. > > > > I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU: > > > > 1. Do you know which 8 children grew to maturity, as stated in those > > notes? > > > > 2. Do you know anything about the Robert (son of Robert of > > Lancaster) who was > > four years old in the account below? I'm trying to determine if he > > was four in > > 1730 when they reached PA or when they first started on that two > > year excursion > > across the state. In either case, that would make him being born > > about 1724 or > > 1726. Do you know if he stayed in the PA area or if he left and went > > south? > > > > I'm specifically trying to see if there is a link between him and > > the Robert > > Patterson who died in York Co., SC in 1791. This latter Robert was > > born about > > 1727 give or take a year. It is known that owned land in Augusta > > Co., Va which > > covered most of the western region of Va in the 1740s and 1750s (WV > > also). It is > > believed that his family was from PA and that he was either born in > > PA or in N. > > Ireland. His 1775 will (he died in 1791 though) states that he owned > > land in > > both Augusta Co., Va and also in Craven/York Co., SC. > > > > His oldest son was named Thomas (and I see where the Robert son of > > Robert of > > Lancaster was about two years older than his brother Thomas making > > them close, > > no doubt). Robert of Va/SC also had children named Robert, Peter, > > Elizabeth, > > Lydia, Sarah, and William (and I see where the PA Robert also had a > > brother > > named William, too). > > > > The Va/SC Robert's son Thomas was born ca. 1748. This same Thomas > > and his > > younger brothers Robert and Peter may have been born in Augusta Co., > > Va, but it > > is believed that the four youngest siblings were all born in the old > > Craven Co., > > SC between 1755 and 1762. So it looks like this Va/SC Robert > > acquired land in > > Augusta Co., Va in the 1740s perhaps, and then moved to SC in the > > mid 1750s, > > holding onto the land in both states. According to the account on > > the PA > > Pattersons, the Thomas Patterson there was killed in 1756 (mid > > 1750s) by > > Indians. If he WAS the brother of the Va/SC Robert Patterson, > > perhaps THAT is > > why Robert moved to SC, to get away from the dangerous open lands. I > > DO know > > that is why thousands did move south during the 1750s. > > > > I am 95% sure that my gggg-gf John Patterson (b. ca. 1766 in SC; d. > > 1840s in > > Union Co., Ga) was the son of Thomas Patterson (ca. 1748), who was > > the son of > > the Va/SC Robert Patterson(ca. 1727). I am extremely interested in > > finding out > > more about this "four year old" Robert Patterson, son of Robert of > > Lancaster. If > > these two Roberts (PA Robert and Va/SC Robert) were not the same > > person, I > > suspect there may still be a connection somewhere. > > > > I would greatly appreciate any insight you may have. > > > > Thanks, Debra. > > Wes > > > > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html > > > > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > > > Hello Wes, > > > Thanks for the names of the boys. Some sources say that John > > Patterson m. to > > > Phebe ___ was the brother of Col. Robert Patterson of Dayton, OH > > and some > > > say 1st cousin. The Patterson Papers in Dayton say that Francis's > > brother > > > John was the father of John Patterson m. Phoebe/Phebe. So we are > > leaning > > > toward 1st cousin. Also there is a John Patterson buried in > > Woodland Cem. > > > with all of Col. Robert and his family and that John Patterson b. > > 1754 d. 09 > > > Jun 1829 was married to Sarah __ and had two children, William and > > a > > > daughter Sarah that married a Mr. Roads. I have his will, I > > thought he was > > > my John Patterson but mine died 26 Dec 1821 Union Villiage, Warren > > Co., OH. > > > No will or estate as far as I know. Here is some information I > > recieved from > > > John Patterson from Great Bridge, VA > > > Notes: Concerning the Forefathers: The first of the Pattersons who > > came over > > > had settled in the northeast part of the state. The father > > (emigrant John), > > > and son Robert (afterwards of Lancaster), decided to go farther > > south. It > > > took them, according to the family records, two years to cross the > > state. > > > They settled on the way, raised a crop of corn and then moved on > > farther > > > west and south. The family party in wagons were as follows: the > > emigrant > > > ancestor, John Patterson, and his middle-aged single daughter, > > whose name > > > has not been preserved; Robert (of Lancaster), his son, Robert's > > wife, > > > Margaret, and their children: John; aged thirteen (ancestor of the > > Shaker > > > Pattersons); Mary, eleven, Francis (of Bedford), nine (afterwards > > father of > > > Robert Patterson of Lexington); William, seven; Robert, four; and > > Thomas, a > > > baby. Another daughter, whose name isnot known, was next older > > than William. > > > Several more children were born to Robert and Margaret after they > > came to > > > Amercia; Ann was born in NJ in 1732. > > > > > > ... After the death of John Patterson, his spinster daughter left > > the family > > > party for a home of her own in a cabin near the Patterson farm and > > lived > > > alone until her death, some years later. The next move of the > > family was > > > into Pennsylvania. They spent several years in Bucks and Lancaster > > Counties, > > > the in 1738 crossed the Susquehanna into York County and lived > > near Hanover; > > > then, returning to Lancaster County, Robert purchased land on > > Sweet Arrow > > > Creek; and "Sweet Arrow Farm" as the Patterson home, became widely > > known as > > > is the "Rubicon Farm" near Dayton (Ohio), 160 years later. The > > names of > > > John, Farncis and William, sons of Robert of Lancaster, will be > > found > > > enrolled for military services in the fort companies of troopers > > of York and > > > Lancaster counties. Eight of these children of Robert and Margaret > > Patterson > > > lived to maturity, and most of them acquired homes in > > Pennsylvania. William > > > married a Virginia girl and they joined her people south of the > > Potomac in > > > Berkeley County; some records say Frederick County. This William, > > as a > > > "minuteman" took part in the Battle of Cowpens, his brothers > > Francis and > > > Robert marching in reinforcements when halted by the news of > > Colonel > > > Morgan's glorious victory. One of Robert's daughters married and > > lived in > > > Maryland. Mary married and moved to the Pennsylvania frontier with > > her > > > brothers, Francis (father of Robert, of Lexington) and Thomas, > > leaving the > > > Sweet Arrow Farm in order to make their home together in the Cove > > Mountain > > > neighborhood. > > > > > > ...For five years, 1758 to 1763, Francis and his brother Robert > > (Uncle of > > > Colonel Robert) of Lancaster County were in almost constant > > mounterd service > > > of the frontier. > > > > > > I don't know if my John and Phebe were in KY for sure or if it was > > the other > > > John Patterson m. to Sarah. I think my John and Phebe were in VA > > near the > > > Patomac(k) River. Here is a note from "The Chronicles of the > > Scoth Irish in > > > Virginia", by Chalkey, Vol 1, Patterson vs. Gamwell.--John > > Patterson, son of > > > John Patterson, Middle River, 14th. June, 1770, but I have found > > another > > > John mentioned as the son and heir of Robert Patterson around the > > same > > > period. If my John was from Lancaster as mentioned in the above > > paragraph > > > then he didn't stay long but lived mostly in VA then KY then > > Dayton, OH. > > > It is going to take lots of digging to find out who is who. So > > for now I am > > > unsure of when and where he was exactly before Dayton,OH. > > > Sincerely, > > > Debra Clark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wes Patterson" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> > > > To: "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > > > > > Debra, > > > > > > > > Thanks for writing. I have seen a couple of different lists and > > am trying > > > to > > > > sort through them myself. It sounds like the information you > > have is on > > > their > > > > son Francis Patterson (married Jane). I see where you have your > > John as > > > the > > > > nephew of this Francis. Do you know who your John's father was? > > > > > > > > According to the info I have Robert was born ca. 1675 and > > married > > > Mary/Margaret. > > > > They had 9 or 10 sons and at least a couple of daughters. I'm > > still trying > > > to > > > > piece together the dates for the children, but it seems their > > sons' names > > > were > > > > William, Hugh, James, Robert, Matthew, Thomas, John, Leonard, > > Francis, and > > > one > > > > other possibly. These are not in any kind of order here. > > > > > > > > I'd love to know anything more that you do on this family. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Wes, > > > > > I too descend from Robert b. 1700 Ireland and Margaret/Mary > > Patterson. > > > I > > > > > recieved some information from Wight State Univ. Library in > > Dayton, OH. > > > My > > > > > ancestor John Patterson m. Phebe were 1st cousins to Col. > > Robert > > > Patterson > > > > > co-founder of Lexington, KY and Dayton, OH. John and Phebe > > became > > > Shakers. > > > > > That is another story. Any way Col. Robert's family documents > > were > > > preserved > > > > > in Dayton. His son Jefferson was also a Col. and grandson John > > Henry > > > > > Patterson was founder and CEO of National Cash Registar. So > > they were > > > very > > > > > important to Dayton. Mine were run out of town because they > > were > > > Shakers. > > > > > At any rate, one of the genealogical charts for Col. Robert > > Patterson > > > shows > > > > > Robert's parents as Francis and Jane Patterson. The children > > were: > > > Francis > > > > > Patterson, b. 1721 Ireland d. 09 Jul 1801 Lexington, KY, John > > Patterson > > > b. > > > > > 1717 d. prob. Lancaster, Lancaster Co.,PA, William Patterson > > ca 1730, I > > > > > think he is the one m. Sarah Douglas, Robert Patterson b. > > 1724, Thomas > > > > > Patterson b. 1726 d. Killed by Indians in 1756, Arthur > > Patterson b. > > > 1728, > > > > > Ann Patterson b. 1732, and the last one I have is Mary > > Patterson b. > > > 1719. > > > > > If you have a list of children and info on Robert and > > Margaret/Mary's > > > > > children. I would really appreicate a list. Also, if you have > > any info > > > or > > > > > know anyone who might know more about John Patterson b. 1717 > > Ireland I > > > would > > > > > really appreciate the help. > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Debra Clark > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! 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