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    1. [PATTERSON] Mrs Neola Patterson in Roanke, Randolph County, Missouri Apr 1916
    2. Greetings. I am trying to locate anyone that has a connection to Mrs. Neola Patterson. I found a letter written to her concerning Littleberry Patterson, Sergeant VA Sixth Regiment, American Revolutionary War. This is my line and I would like to figure out the connection. Thanks. Jeff Bailey, Gladstone, Missouri.

    08/24/2001 05:32:43
    1. [PATTERSON] Eleanor Ann Patterson
    2. Patricia Proper
    3. I am looking for a family connection to my 3rd great grandmother who was married to Christian Myers in PA in May of 1826. In 1828 my 2nd great grandmother was born to this couple in Huntingdon Co. PA. I am thinkining that it may be possible Eleanor Ann Patterson may have come from the Chester PA area since I believe my 3rd great grandfather more than possibly came from that area. I will estimate her birthdate before 1808. Does anyone have Eleanor Ann Patterson in their framily tree (?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

    08/24/2001 09:56:08
    1. [PATTERSON] Looking for Unity PATTERSON's family.....wife of Noah Gilpin HAYDEN
    2. I'm looking for any information about my 3rd Ggrandmother UNITY PATTERSON b. 19 Sep 1802 VA...m. NOAH GILPIN HAYDEN...10 Dec. 1822 Mercer Co.,KY...for the marriage application there was a WILLIAM PATTERSON listed at the surety... I found a WILLIAM PATTERSON b. 1801 VA. as a son of ARMSTEAD PATTERSON....my first thinking was that WM. was UNITY's brother??, but never found UNITY listed as one of ARMSTEAD's children...so my next thought was that maybe ARMSTEAD could have been a brother to UNITY's father?? Does anyone know anything about ARMSTEAD's parents and siblings?? Digging a little deeper I found a WILLIAM PATTERSON listed on the 1800 Mercer Co.Tax List...so this person could possibly have been UNITY's father...I next found him listed on the 1810 Mercer Co.census on page 326 with a child in the household the right age for UNITY?? Does anyone have any knowledge about this WILLIAM PATTERSON??...in 1810 who would have been older than 45 yrs.?? There were 9 children listed in the household with a wife 26-45 yrs. old.(4 boys & 5 girls). If there is anyone who could help me out here I would be very grateful... Unity lived out most of her life in Greene Co.IN and she is buried at Owensburg Cemetery, Jackson Twp.there. She died 12 Apr 1870. Thanks so much, N.J.Skinner White in MI vwhite0901@aol.com

    08/24/2001 03:55:56
    1. Re: [PATTERSON] Pa/Ohio
    2. Paul A Patterson
    3. I am looking for information on some of my ancestors. If you have any information on the following please e-mail me. James Joshua Smith Patterson b February 23, 1794 Maryland d January 19, 1868 Salineville, Ohio Married Mary Grafton b 1796 Maryland d April 14, 1872 Salineville, Ohio One of their sons was David Patterson b July 07, 1831 Salineville, Ohio d October 23, 1904 Salineville, Ohio Married Louisa R. Rice b June 02, 1832 Somerset County, Pa d 1907 Salineville, Ohio married February 13, 1855 Columbiana County, Ohio One of their sons John(Jacob) Wesley Patterson b August 16, 1866 Wayne , Wood, Ohio d June 04, 1942 Derry Boro, Westmoreland, Pa Married Ada May Eaken b 1868 d 1949 married September 20, 1887 Columbiana, Lisbon, Ohio One of their sons Harvey Louis Patterson b 1894 d 1943 married Annabel Reed Lowery b 1897 d 1930 One of their sons Edward Wesley Patterson b September 11, 1920 Latrobe, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania is my father. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated especially others working on the same line. Paul in Oklahoma

    08/24/2001 03:22:23
    1. [PATTERSON] Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family
    2. Wes Patterson
    3. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ED76BA4B4D6662178AD9725F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harald, Thanks for pointing that out. You're absolutely correct. By the way, do you know who provided the names of Robert's (ca. 1727-1791) of Craven/York brothers? i.e., William, Peter, and Joseph? Thanks. Wes Harald Reksten wrote: > Wes, > > Actually Robert's will from York County, SC does not mention Augusta > County, VA (it only mentions Virginia). As far as I know there is no > known proof that Robert of York County was from Augusta Co, VA but it > is certainly possible. > > Harald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wpatersn@wfubmc.edu > To: Debra Clark > Cc: Patterson Rootsweb List ; PattersonGenealogyNC > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:52 PM > Subject: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret > Patterson family > > > Debra, > > Yes, I have that same record from John of Great Bridge, Va. I don't > have it with > me (at work) so I wasn't able to refer to that earlier when I > replied to you. > There are other accounts of these same families though that do > confuse the > issue, as you mentioned. > > I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU: > > 1. Do you know which 8 children grew to maturity, as stated in those > notes? > > 2. Do you know anything about the Robert (son of Robert of > Lancaster) who was > four years old in the account below? I'm trying to determine if he > was four in > 1730 when they reached PA or when they first started on that two > year excursion > across the state. In either case, that would make him being born > about 1724 or > 1726. Do you know if he stayed in the PA area or if he left and went > south? > > I'm specifically trying to see if there is a link between him and > the Robert > Patterson who died in York Co., SC in 1791. This latter Robert was > born about > 1727 give or take a year. It is known that owned land in Augusta > Co., Va which > covered most of the western region of Va in the 1740s and 1750s (WV > also). It is > believed that his family was from PA and that he was either born in > PA or in N. > Ireland. His 1775 will (he died in 1791 though) states that he owned > land in > both Augusta Co., Va and also in Craven/York Co., SC. > > His oldest son was named Thomas (and I see where the Robert son of > Robert of > Lancaster was about two years older than his brother Thomas making > them close, > no doubt). Robert of Va/SC also had children named Robert, Peter, > Elizabeth, > Lydia, Sarah, and William (and I see where the PA Robert also had a > brother > named William, too). > > The Va/SC Robert's son Thomas was born ca. 1748. This same Thomas > and his > younger brothers Robert and Peter may have been born in Augusta Co., > Va, but it > is believed that the four youngest siblings were all born in the old > Craven Co., > SC between 1755 and 1762. So it looks like this Va/SC Robert > acquired land in > Augusta Co., Va in the 1740s perhaps, and then moved to SC in the > mid 1750s, > holding onto the land in both states. According to the account on > the PA > Pattersons, the Thomas Patterson there was killed in 1756 (mid > 1750s) by > Indians. If he WAS the brother of the Va/SC Robert Patterson, > perhaps THAT is > why Robert moved to SC, to get away from the dangerous open lands. I > DO know > that is why thousands did move south during the 1750s. > > I am 95% sure that my gggg-gf John Patterson (b. ca. 1766 in SC; d. > 1840s in > Union Co., Ga) was the son of Thomas Patterson (ca. 1748), who was > the son of > the Va/SC Robert Patterson(ca. 1727). I am extremely interested in > finding out > more about this "four year old" Robert Patterson, son of Robert of > Lancaster. If > these two Roberts (PA Robert and Va/SC Robert) were not the same > person, I > suspect there may still be a connection somewhere. > > I would greatly appreciate any insight you may have. > > Thanks, Debra. > Wes > > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > Hello Wes, > > Thanks for the names of the boys. Some sources say that John > Patterson m. to > > Phebe ___ was the brother of Col. Robert Patterson of Dayton, OH > and some > > say 1st cousin. The Patterson Papers in Dayton say that Francis's > brother > > John was the father of John Patterson m. Phoebe/Phebe. So we are > leaning > > toward 1st cousin. Also there is a John Patterson buried in > Woodland Cem. > > with all of Col. Robert and his family and that John Patterson b. > 1754 d. 09 > > Jun 1829 was married to Sarah __ and had two children, William and > a > > daughter Sarah that married a Mr. Roads. I have his will, I > thought he was > > my John Patterson but mine died 26 Dec 1821 Union Villiage, Warren > Co., OH. > > No will or estate as far as I know. Here is some information I > recieved from > > John Patterson from Great Bridge, VA > > Notes: Concerning the Forefathers: The first of the Pattersons who > came over > > had settled in the northeast part of the state. The father > (emigrant John), > > and son Robert (afterwards of Lancaster), decided to go farther > south. It > > took them, according to the family records, two years to cross the > state. > > They settled on the way, raised a crop of corn and then moved on > farther > > west and south. The family party in wagons were as follows: the > emigrant > > ancestor, John Patterson, and his middle-aged single daughter, > whose name > > has not been preserved; Robert (of Lancaster), his son, Robert's > wife, > > Margaret, and their children: John; aged thirteen (ancestor of the > Shaker > > Pattersons); Mary, eleven, Francis (of Bedford), nine (afterwards > father of > > Robert Patterson of Lexington); William, seven; Robert, four; and > Thomas, a > > baby. Another daughter, whose name isnot known, was next older > than William. > > Several more children were born to Robert and Margaret after they > came to > > Amercia; Ann was born in NJ in 1732. > > > > ... After the death of John Patterson, his spinster daughter left > the family > > party for a home of her own in a cabin near the Patterson farm and > lived > > alone until her death, some years later. The next move of the > family was > > into Pennsylvania. They spent several years in Bucks and Lancaster > Counties, > > the in 1738 crossed the Susquehanna into York County and lived > near Hanover; > > then, returning to Lancaster County, Robert purchased land on > Sweet Arrow > > Creek; and "Sweet Arrow Farm" as the Patterson home, became widely > known as > > is the "Rubicon Farm" near Dayton (Ohio), 160 years later. The > names of > > John, Farncis and William, sons of Robert of Lancaster, will be > found > > enrolled for military services in the fort companies of troopers > of York and > > Lancaster counties. Eight of these children of Robert and Margaret > Patterson > > lived to maturity, and most of them acquired homes in > Pennsylvania. William > > married a Virginia girl and they joined her people south of the > Potomac in > > Berkeley County; some records say Frederick County. This William, > as a > > "minuteman" took part in the Battle of Cowpens, his brothers > Francis and > > Robert marching in reinforcements when halted by the news of > Colonel > > Morgan's glorious victory. One of Robert's daughters married and > lived in > > Maryland. Mary married and moved to the Pennsylvania frontier with > her > > brothers, Francis (father of Robert, of Lexington) and Thomas, > leaving the > > Sweet Arrow Farm in order to make their home together in the Cove > Mountain > > neighborhood. > > > > ...For five years, 1758 to 1763, Francis and his brother Robert > (Uncle of > > Colonel Robert) of Lancaster County were in almost constant > mounterd service > > of the frontier. > > > > I don't know if my John and Phebe were in KY for sure or if it was > the other > > John Patterson m. to Sarah. I think my John and Phebe were in VA > near the > > Patomac(k) River. Here is a note from "The Chronicles of the > Scoth Irish in > > Virginia", by Chalkey, Vol 1, Patterson vs. Gamwell.--John > Patterson, son of > > John Patterson, Middle River, 14th. June, 1770, but I have found > another > > John mentioned as the son and heir of Robert Patterson around the > same > > period. If my John was from Lancaster as mentioned in the above > paragraph > > then he didn't stay long but lived mostly in VA then KY then > Dayton, OH. > > It is going to take lots of digging to find out who is who. So > for now I am > > unsure of when and where he was exactly before Dayton,OH. > > Sincerely, > > Debra Clark > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wes Patterson" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> > > To: "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM > > Subject: Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > > > Debra, > > > > > > Thanks for writing. I have seen a couple of different lists and > am trying > > to > > > sort through them myself. It sounds like the information you > have is on > > their > > > son Francis Patterson (married Jane). I see where you have your > John as > > the > > > nephew of this Francis. Do you know who your John's father was? > > > > > > According to the info I have Robert was born ca. 1675 and > married > > Mary/Margaret. > > > They had 9 or 10 sons and at least a couple of daughters. I'm > still trying > > to > > > piece together the dates for the children, but it seems their > sons' names > > were > > > William, Hugh, James, Robert, Matthew, Thomas, John, Leonard, > Francis, and > > one > > > other possibly. These are not in any kind of order here. > > > > > > I'd love to know anything more that you do on this family. > Thanks. > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Wes, > > > > I too descend from Robert b. 1700 Ireland and Margaret/Mary > Patterson. > > I > > > > recieved some information from Wight State Univ. Library in > Dayton, OH. > > My > > > > ancestor John Patterson m. Phebe were 1st cousins to Col. > Robert > > Patterson > > > > co-founder of Lexington, KY and Dayton, OH. John and Phebe > became > > Shakers. > > > > That is another story. Any way Col. Robert's family documents > were > > preserved > > > > in Dayton. His son Jefferson was also a Col. and grandson John > Henry > > > > Patterson was founder and CEO of National Cash Registar. So > they were > > very > > > > important to Dayton. Mine were run out of town because they > were > > Shakers. > > > > At any rate, one of the genealogical charts for Col. Robert > Patterson > > shows > > > > Robert's parents as Francis and Jane Patterson. The children > were: > > Francis > > > > Patterson, b. 1721 Ireland d. 09 Jul 1801 Lexington, KY, John > Patterson > > b. > > > > 1717 d. prob. Lancaster, Lancaster Co.,PA, William Patterson > ca 1730, I > > > > think he is the one m. Sarah Douglas, Robert Patterson b. > 1724, Thomas > > > > Patterson b. 1726 d. Killed by Indians in 1756, Arthur > Patterson b. > > 1728, > > > > Ann Patterson b. 1732, and the last one I have is Mary > Patterson b. > > 1719. > > > > If you have a list of children and info on Robert and > Margaret/Mary's > > > > children. I would really appreicate a list. Also, if you have > any info > > or > > > > know anyone who might know more about John Patterson b. 1717 > Ireland I > > would > > > > really appreciate the help. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Debra Clark > > > > > > Yahoo! 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    08/24/2001 03:07:22
    1. [PATTERSON] Fw: {not a subscriber} Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family
    2. Jerry W. Murphy
    3. This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Harald Reksten" <hreksten@erols.com>. Please do not reply to the listowner! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Reksten" <hreksten@erols.com> To: <PattersonGenealogyNC@yahoogroups.com>; "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net> Cc: "Patterson Rootsweb List" <PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com>; "PattersonGenealogyNC" <PattersonGenealogyNC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > Wes, > > Actually Robert's will from York County, SC does not mention Augusta County, VA (it only mentions Virginia). As far as I know there is no known proof that Robert of York County was from Augusta Co, VA but it is certainly possible. > > Harald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wpatersn@wfubmc.edu > To: Debra Clark > Cc: Patterson Rootsweb List ; PattersonGenealogyNC > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:52 PM > Subject: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > Debra, > > Yes, I have that same record from John of Great Bridge, Va. I don't have it with > me (at work) so I wasn't able to refer to that earlier when I replied to you. > There are other accounts of these same families though that do confuse the > issue, as you mentioned. > > I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU: > > 1. Do you know which 8 children grew to maturity, as stated in those notes? > > 2. Do you know anything about the Robert (son of Robert of Lancaster) who was > four years old in the account below? I'm trying to determine if he was four in > 1730 when they reached PA or when they first started on that two year excursion > across the state. In either case, that would make him being born about 1724 or > 1726. Do you know if he stayed in the PA area or if he left and went south? > > I'm specifically trying to see if there is a link between him and the Robert > Patterson who died in York Co., SC in 1791. This latter Robert was born about > 1727 give or take a year. It is known that owned land in Augusta Co., Va which > covered most of the western region of Va in the 1740s and 1750s (WV also). It is > believed that his family was from PA and that he was either born in PA or in N. > Ireland. His 1775 will (he died in 1791 though) states that he owned land in > both Augusta Co., Va and also in Craven/York Co., SC. > > His oldest son was named Thomas (and I see where the Robert son of Robert of > Lancaster was about two years older than his brother Thomas making them close, > no doubt). Robert of Va/SC also had children named Robert, Peter, Elizabeth, > Lydia, Sarah, and William (and I see where the PA Robert also had a brother > named William, too). > > The Va/SC Robert's son Thomas was born ca. 1748. This same Thomas and his > younger brothers Robert and Peter may have been born in Augusta Co., Va, but it > is believed that the four youngest siblings were all born in the old Craven Co., > SC between 1755 and 1762. So it looks like this Va/SC Robert acquired land in > Augusta Co., Va in the 1740s perhaps, and then moved to SC in the mid 1750s, > holding onto the land in both states. According to the account on the PA > Pattersons, the Thomas Patterson there was killed in 1756 (mid 1750s) by > Indians. If he WAS the brother of the Va/SC Robert Patterson, perhaps THAT is > why Robert moved to SC, to get away from the dangerous open lands. I DO know > that is why thousands did move south during the 1750s. > > I am 95% sure that my gggg-gf John Patterson (b. ca. 1766 in SC; d. 1840s in > Union Co., Ga) was the son of Thomas Patterson (ca. 1748), who was the son of > the Va/SC Robert Patterson(ca. 1727). I am extremely interested in finding out > more about this "four year old" Robert Patterson, son of Robert of Lancaster. If > these two Roberts (PA Robert and Va/SC Robert) were not the same person, I > suspect there may still be a connection somewhere. > > I would greatly appreciate any insight you may have. > > Thanks, Debra. > Wes > > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > Hello Wes, > > Thanks for the names of the boys. Some sources say that John Patterson m. to > > Phebe ___ was the brother of Col. Robert Patterson of Dayton, OH and some > > say 1st cousin. The Patterson Papers in Dayton say that Francis's brother > > John was the father of John Patterson m. Phoebe/Phebe. So we are leaning > > toward 1st cousin. Also there is a John Patterson buried in Woodland Cem. > > with all of Col. Robert and his family and that John Patterson b. 1754 d. 09 > > Jun 1829 was married to Sarah __ and had two children, William and a > > daughter Sarah that married a Mr. Roads. I have his will, I thought he was > > my John Patterson but mine died 26 Dec 1821 Union Villiage, Warren Co., OH. > > No will or estate as far as I know. Here is some information I recieved from > > John Patterson from Great Bridge, VA > > Notes: Concerning the Forefathers: The first of the Pattersons who came over > > had settled in the northeast part of the state. The father (emigrant John), > > and son Robert (afterwards of Lancaster), decided to go farther south. It > > took them, according to the family records, two years to cross the state. > > They settled on the way, raised a crop of corn and then moved on farther > > west and south. The family party in wagons were as follows: the emigrant > > ancestor, John Patterson, and his middle-aged single daughter, whose name > > has not been preserved; Robert (of Lancaster), his son, Robert's wife, > > Margaret, and their children: John; aged thirteen (ancestor of the Shaker > > Pattersons); Mary, eleven, Francis (of Bedford), nine (afterwards father of > > Robert Patterson of Lexington); William, seven; Robert, four; and Thomas, a > > baby. Another daughter, whose name isnot known, was next older than William. > > Several more children were born to Robert and Margaret after they came to > > Amercia; Ann was born in NJ in 1732. > > > > ... After the death of John Patterson, his spinster daughter left the family > > party for a home of her own in a cabin near the Patterson farm and lived > > alone until her death, some years later. The next move of the family was > > into Pennsylvania. They spent several years in Bucks and Lancaster Counties, > > the in 1738 crossed the Susquehanna into York County and lived near Hanover; > > then, returning to Lancaster County, Robert purchased land on Sweet Arrow > > Creek; and "Sweet Arrow Farm" as the Patterson home, became widely known as > > is the "Rubicon Farm" near Dayton (Ohio), 160 years later. The names of > > John, Farncis and William, sons of Robert of Lancaster, will be found > > enrolled for military services in the fort companies of troopers of York and > > Lancaster counties. Eight of these children of Robert and Margaret Patterson > > lived to maturity, and most of them acquired homes in Pennsylvania. William > > married a Virginia girl and they joined her people south of the Potomac in > > Berkeley County; some records say Frederick County. This William, as a > > "minuteman" took part in the Battle of Cowpens, his brothers Francis and > > Robert marching in reinforcements when halted by the news of Colonel > > Morgan's glorious victory. One of Robert's daughters married and lived in > > Maryland. Mary married and moved to the Pennsylvania frontier with her > > brothers, Francis (father of Robert, of Lexington) and Thomas, leaving the > > Sweet Arrow Farm in order to make their home together in the Cove Mountain > > neighborhood. > > > > ...For five years, 1758 to 1763, Francis and his brother Robert (Uncle of > > Colonel Robert) of Lancaster County were in almost constant mounterd service > > of the frontier. > > > > I don't know if my John and Phebe were in KY for sure or if it was the other > > John Patterson m. to Sarah. I think my John and Phebe were in VA near the > > Patomac(k) River. Here is a note from "The Chronicles of the Scoth Irish in > > Virginia", by Chalkey, Vol 1, Patterson vs. Gamwell.--John Patterson, son of > > John Patterson, Middle River, 14th. June, 1770, but I have found another > > John mentioned as the son and heir of Robert Patterson around the same > > period. If my John was from Lancaster as mentioned in the above paragraph > > then he didn't stay long but lived mostly in VA then KY then Dayton, OH. > > It is going to take lots of digging to find out who is who. So for now I am > > unsure of when and where he was exactly before Dayton,OH. > > Sincerely, > > Debra Clark > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wes Patterson" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> > > To: "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM > > Subject: Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > > > Debra, > > > > > > Thanks for writing. I have seen a couple of different lists and am trying > > to > > > sort through them myself. It sounds like the information you have is on > > their > > > son Francis Patterson (married Jane). I see where you have your John as > > the > > > nephew of this Francis. Do you know who your John's father was? > > > > > > According to the info I have Robert was born ca. 1675 and married > > Mary/Margaret. > > > They had 9 or 10 sons and at least a couple of daughters. I'm still trying > > to > > > piece together the dates for the children, but it seems their sons' names > > were > > > William, Hugh, James, Robert, Matthew, Thomas, John, Leonard, Francis, and > > one > > > other possibly. These are not in any kind of order here. > > > > > > I'd love to know anything more that you do on this family. Thanks. > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Wes, > > > > I too descend from Robert b. 1700 Ireland and Margaret/Mary Patterson. > > I > > > > recieved some information from Wight State Univ. Library in Dayton, OH. > > My > > > > ancestor John Patterson m. Phebe were 1st cousins to Col. Robert > > Patterson > > > > co-founder of Lexington, KY and Dayton, OH. John and Phebe became > > Shakers. > > > > That is another story. Any way Col. Robert's family documents were > > preserved > > > > in Dayton. His son Jefferson was also a Col. and grandson John Henry > > > > Patterson was founder and CEO of National Cash Registar. So they were > > very > > > > important to Dayton. Mine were run out of town because they were > > Shakers. > > > > At any rate, one of the genealogical charts for Col. Robert Patterson > > shows > > > > Robert's parents as Francis and Jane Patterson. The children were: > > Francis > > > > Patterson, b. 1721 Ireland d. 09 Jul 1801 Lexington, KY, John Patterson > > b. > > > > 1717 d. prob. Lancaster, Lancaster Co.,PA, William Patterson ca 1730, I > > > > think he is the one m. Sarah Douglas, Robert Patterson b. 1724, Thomas > > > > Patterson b. 1726 d. Killed by Indians in 1756, Arthur Patterson b. > > 1728, > > > > Ann Patterson b. 1732, and the last one I have is Mary Patterson b. > > 1719. > > > > If you have a list of children and info on Robert and Margaret/Mary's > > > > children. I would really appreicate a list. Also, if you have any info > > or > > > > know anyone who might know more about John Patterson b. 1717 Ireland I > > would > > > > really appreciate the help. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Debra Clark > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >

    08/23/2001 06:21:19
    1. [PATTERSON] 1861 - George & Moses Patterson
    2. Can anyone identify these "mystery" Pattersons, George & Moses and tie them to my line below? Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC _______________ 1 PATTERSON, William Sep 25, 1796 Patterson's Mills (Cross Creek), PA May 03, 1879 Patterson's Mills (Cross Creek), PA +LYLE, Margaret May 31, 1796 Cross Creek Twp., PA? Apr 22, 1883 Patterson's Mills (Cross Creek), PA 2 PATTERSON, Caroline Aug 04, 1829 Patterson's Mills, Washington Co., PA Sep 27, 1909 Holliday's Cove, WV +LEE, William* McMillen Dec 03, 1827 PA Jun 06, 1912 3 LEE, Mary* Ada Dec 08, 1865 Cross Creek Twp, Washington Co., PA Nov 22, 1930 Erie, PA 1861 letter from George W. Patterson to William M. Lee, husband of Caroline Patterson. Envelope: Postage $.20, two green "ten cents" stamps with picture of George Washington(?) "Moses Patterson" handwritten in pencil to left of stamps; underneath that, three figures totalling $18.00(?) handwritten Letter: Lined white paper with embossed eagle over "P & S" in upper lefthand corner. __________________ Mr. William M. Lee Patterson Mills Washington County Pennsylvania Oakland March 17th 1861 Friend William I received your letter a week ago and take this opportunity of answering it. I am afraid that there will be but few of my old acquaintances left around the Point again I get back. You say that they they are all getting married and leaveing. I dont think that I will leave this state for three or four years. It suits me better than any part that I have been in. At least this portion of the state the climate is more uniform We have neither the extreme of heat nor cold. I don't believe that it is as warm here in the summer as it is in Pa. The nights are always cool. The winters are very pleasant. You dont need gloves and you cant work with your coat on. Ice formed but twice this winter and that was not thicker than common window glass and there was not a day but what there was roses in bloom out in the yard. Strawberrys will be ripe in about a week. Moses Patterson is in the Army he joined about a year ago he is getting along fine he got an appointment of Clerk in the Quarter Masters office at Fort Umpqua Oregon where they are at present stationed writeing a couple hours a day is about all he has to do he gets pretty good wages they were out on the plains las summer escorting emigrant trains. enclosed your will find a power of attorney authorising you to colect the money you spoke of you say that part of it is ready and the remainder will be in July(?) when it is all ready I would like if you would send it to me you can get a draft on Wells Fargo & Co. they will give you two one a duplicate you can send them at different times and I can draw the money with the first one that comes but if not conveniant to do so you can send it as you may think proper and dont forget to deduct enough to repay you for all your troubles and expense Give my respects to Caroline and all the rest of the folks. George W Patterson Oakland Alameda Co Cal. if you wish to write to Moses direct to Company L. 3rd Atillery Fort Umpqua Oregon

    08/23/2001 01:27:33
    1. [PATTERSON] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family
    2. Wes Patterson
    3. Debra, Yes, I have that same record from John of Great Bridge, Va. I don't have it with me (at work) so I wasn't able to refer to that earlier when I replied to you. There are other accounts of these same families though that do confuse the issue, as you mentioned. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU: 1. Do you know which 8 children grew to maturity, as stated in those notes? 2. Do you know anything about the Robert (son of Robert of Lancaster) who was four years old in the account below? I'm trying to determine if he was four in 1730 when they reached PA or when they first started on that two year excursion across the state. In either case, that would make him being born about 1724 or 1726. Do you know if he stayed in the PA area or if he left and went south? I'm specifically trying to see if there is a link between him and the Robert Patterson who died in York Co., SC in 1791. This latter Robert was born about 1727 give or take a year. It is known that owned land in Augusta Co., Va which covered most of the western region of Va in the 1740s and 1750s (WV also). It is believed that his family was from PA and that he was either born in PA or in N. Ireland. His 1775 will (he died in 1791 though) states that he owned land in both Augusta Co., Va and also in Craven/York Co., SC. His oldest son was named Thomas (and I see where the Robert son of Robert of Lancaster was about two years older than his brother Thomas making them close, no doubt). Robert of Va/SC also had children named Robert, Peter, Elizabeth, Lydia, Sarah, and William (and I see where the PA Robert also had a brother named William, too). The Va/SC Robert's son Thomas was born ca. 1748. This same Thomas and his younger brothers Robert and Peter may have been born in Augusta Co., Va, but it is believed that the four youngest siblings were all born in the old Craven Co., SC between 1755 and 1762. So it looks like this Va/SC Robert acquired land in Augusta Co., Va in the 1740s perhaps, and then moved to SC in the mid 1750s, holding onto the land in both states. According to the account on the PA Pattersons, the Thomas Patterson there was killed in 1756 (mid 1750s) by Indians. If he WAS the brother of the Va/SC Robert Patterson, perhaps THAT is why Robert moved to SC, to get away from the dangerous open lands. I DO know that is why thousands did move south during the 1750s. I am 95% sure that my gggg-gf John Patterson (b. ca. 1766 in SC; d. 1840s in Union Co., Ga) was the son of Thomas Patterson (ca. 1748), who was the son of the Va/SC Robert Patterson(ca. 1727). I am extremely interested in finding out more about this "four year old" Robert Patterson, son of Robert of Lancaster. If these two Roberts (PA Robert and Va/SC Robert) were not the same person, I suspect there may still be a connection somewhere. I would greatly appreciate any insight you may have. Thanks, Debra. Wes http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html Debra Clark wrote: > Hello Wes, > Thanks for the names of the boys. Some sources say that John Patterson m. to > Phebe ___ was the brother of Col. Robert Patterson of Dayton, OH and some > say 1st cousin. The Patterson Papers in Dayton say that Francis's brother > John was the father of John Patterson m. Phoebe/Phebe. So we are leaning > toward 1st cousin. Also there is a John Patterson buried in Woodland Cem. > with all of Col. Robert and his family and that John Patterson b. 1754 d. 09 > Jun 1829 was married to Sarah __ and had two children, William and a > daughter Sarah that married a Mr. Roads. I have his will, I thought he was > my John Patterson but mine died 26 Dec 1821 Union Villiage, Warren Co., OH. > No will or estate as far as I know. Here is some information I recieved from > John Patterson from Great Bridge, VA > Notes: Concerning the Forefathers: The first of the Pattersons who came over > had settled in the northeast part of the state. The father (emigrant John), > and son Robert (afterwards of Lancaster), decided to go farther south. It > took them, according to the family records, two years to cross the state. > They settled on the way, raised a crop of corn and then moved on farther > west and south. The family party in wagons were as follows: the emigrant > ancestor, John Patterson, and his middle-aged single daughter, whose name > has not been preserved; Robert (of Lancaster), his son, Robert's wife, > Margaret, and their children: John; aged thirteen (ancestor of the Shaker > Pattersons); Mary, eleven, Francis (of Bedford), nine (afterwards father of > Robert Patterson of Lexington); William, seven; Robert, four; and Thomas, a > baby. Another daughter, whose name isnot known, was next older than William. > Several more children were born to Robert and Margaret after they came to > Amercia; Ann was born in NJ in 1732. > > ... After the death of John Patterson, his spinster daughter left the family > party for a home of her own in a cabin near the Patterson farm and lived > alone until her death, some years later. The next move of the family was > into Pennsylvania. They spent several years in Bucks and Lancaster Counties, > the in 1738 crossed the Susquehanna into York County and lived near Hanover; > then, returning to Lancaster County, Robert purchased land on Sweet Arrow > Creek; and "Sweet Arrow Farm" as the Patterson home, became widely known as > is the "Rubicon Farm" near Dayton (Ohio), 160 years later. The names of > John, Farncis and William, sons of Robert of Lancaster, will be found > enrolled for military services in the fort companies of troopers of York and > Lancaster counties. Eight of these children of Robert and Margaret Patterson > lived to maturity, and most of them acquired homes in Pennsylvania. William > married a Virginia girl and they joined her people south of the Potomac in > Berkeley County; some records say Frederick County. This William, as a > "minuteman" took part in the Battle of Cowpens, his brothers Francis and > Robert marching in reinforcements when halted by the news of Colonel > Morgan's glorious victory. One of Robert's daughters married and lived in > Maryland. Mary married and moved to the Pennsylvania frontier with her > brothers, Francis (father of Robert, of Lexington) and Thomas, leaving the > Sweet Arrow Farm in order to make their home together in the Cove Mountain > neighborhood. > > ...For five years, 1758 to 1763, Francis and his brother Robert (Uncle of > Colonel Robert) of Lancaster County were in almost constant mounterd service > of the frontier. > > I don't know if my John and Phebe were in KY for sure or if it was the other > John Patterson m. to Sarah. I think my John and Phebe were in VA near the > Patomac(k) River. Here is a note from "The Chronicles of the Scoth Irish in > Virginia", by Chalkey, Vol 1, Patterson vs. Gamwell.--John Patterson, son of > John Patterson, Middle River, 14th. June, 1770, but I have found another > John mentioned as the son and heir of Robert Patterson around the same > period. If my John was from Lancaster as mentioned in the above paragraph > then he didn't stay long but lived mostly in VA then KY then Dayton, OH. > It is going to take lots of digging to find out who is who. So for now I am > unsure of when and where he was exactly before Dayton,OH. > Sincerely, > Debra Clark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wes Patterson" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> > To: "Debra Clark" <debradclark@worldnet.att.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family > > > Debra, > > > > Thanks for writing. I have seen a couple of different lists and am trying > to > > sort through them myself. It sounds like the information you have is on > their > > son Francis Patterson (married Jane). I see where you have your John as > the > > nephew of this Francis. Do you know who your John's father was? > > > > According to the info I have Robert was born ca. 1675 and married > Mary/Margaret. > > They had 9 or 10 sons and at least a couple of daughters. I'm still trying > to > > piece together the dates for the children, but it seems their sons' names > were > > William, Hugh, James, Robert, Matthew, Thomas, John, Leonard, Francis, and > one > > other possibly. These are not in any kind of order here. > > > > I'd love to know anything more that you do on this family. Thanks. > > > > Wes > > > > Debra Clark wrote: > > > > > Hello Wes, > > > I too descend from Robert b. 1700 Ireland and Margaret/Mary Patterson. > I > > > recieved some information from Wight State Univ. Library in Dayton, OH. > My > > > ancestor John Patterson m. Phebe were 1st cousins to Col. Robert > Patterson > > > co-founder of Lexington, KY and Dayton, OH. John and Phebe became > Shakers. > > > That is another story. Any way Col. Robert's family documents were > preserved > > > in Dayton. His son Jefferson was also a Col. and grandson John Henry > > > Patterson was founder and CEO of National Cash Registar. So they were > very > > > important to Dayton. Mine were run out of town because they were > Shakers. > > > At any rate, one of the genealogical charts for Col. Robert Patterson > shows > > > Robert's parents as Francis and Jane Patterson. The children were: > Francis > > > Patterson, b. 1721 Ireland d. 09 Jul 1801 Lexington, KY, John Patterson > b. > > > 1717 d. prob. Lancaster, Lancaster Co.,PA, William Patterson ca 1730, I > > > think he is the one m. Sarah Douglas, Robert Patterson b. 1724, Thomas > > > Patterson b. 1726 d. Killed by Indians in 1756, Arthur Patterson b. > 1728, > > > Ann Patterson b. 1732, and the last one I have is Mary Patterson b. > 1719. > > > If you have a list of children and info on Robert and Margaret/Mary's > > > children. I would really appreicate a list. Also, if you have any info > or > > > know anyone who might know more about John Patterson b. 1717 Ireland I > would > > > really appreciate the help. > > > Sincerely, > > > Debra Clark > >

    08/23/2001 09:52:35
    1. Re: [PATTERSON] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC
    2. Wes Patterson
    3. Patrick, Here's a link to a page on my website that has Robert's will on it. Wes Patterson http://wespatterson.com/Patt/rp-16.htm

    08/18/2001 05:24:26
    1. [PATTERSON] Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC
    2. Wes Patterson
    3. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02A37B3AEE3942F23CD5406E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cay, I believe you were the first one who put me on to this Robert Patterson family about 6 or 8 months ago. I didn't have enough of a grasp on the census and deed records at that time to give you any help from the perspective you were asking. But you definitely set me on a course that has allowed/forced me to refocus on all of these Pattersons once again, but with a brighter light of understanding. Thanks again for setting me in this direction. I've been looking for leads like this for over 11 years. I know many others who descend from John and Margaret have been looking for a lot longer than I have, too. Wes Cay Devin wrote: > West, > > I think your doing a great job. I'm from the Robert Patterson > (1727-1791) > line (from son Robert) and I too believe that John Patterson (m. to > Margaret > Black) is the son of Thomas Patterson. A year or so ago I also dug > through > those census records looking for Thomas Patterson, and the most > likely > candidate I could find was the one you mentioned on the 1800 Buncombe > Co NC > Census. The one living next door to John and Margaret Black > Patterson. > > I didn't get to spend must time following Thomas, personal things have > > pulled me away from my genealogy research for the last year or so.... > But > I'm very happy to see someone else continuing along the same line.. > > Cay Devin > New Email address: devinc@devca.com > > > On 8/17/01 7:48 AM, "wpatersn@wfubmc.edu" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> wrote: > > > Robert Patterson of the old Craven Co./York Co., SC lived from ca. > 1727 > > to 1791. His oldest son was Thomas Patterson, born ca. 1748, > probably > > around Augusta Co., Va. Thomas sold land to his father Robert > Patterson > > in York Co., SC in 1786, possibly indicating that he was leaving the > > > area as many families were. > > > > There was a Thomas Patterson listed in the 1800 Buncombe Co., NC > census. > > I realize that all the land (in NC) west of Buncombe county was > Indian > > lands in 1800, but all white persons in those lands were recorded on > the > > Buncombe county census. Who was this Thomas Patterson? Does anyone > have > > any information to show that he was NOT the son of the York county, > SC > > Robert Patterson? > > > > I am open to anyone who will offer corrections to my information, > but > > lately I have (once again) been pouring over the census records of > 1790, > > 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. for upper SC, Buncombe, Haywood and Macon > > counties of NC, and the north Ga counties of Hall, Habersham, Rabun, > and > > Union during the 1830, 1834, and 1840 years (there's an 1834 listing > for > > Union in case some of you didn't know). > > > > I believe that Thomas Patterson (son of Robert Patterson 1727-1791 > of > > York Co., SC) was the father of "our" John Patterson, the one who > > married Margaret Black about 1788 in the old Pendleton District of > SC. > > John and Margaret were in Union Co., Ga in 1840, and Margaret was > still > > living during the 1850 Union Co., Ga census. > > > > I DO know that our John (b. ca. 1765-1767 SC, d. 1840s GA) was in > the > > Buncombe Co., NC census in 1800 and 1810. I know that he was > involved in > > land deeds in Buncombe county between 1800 and 1810 involving tracts > of > > land called "Newfound" and "French Broad River", and others. These > deeds > > were with a Richard Morrow and a Reuben Black. The Blacks, > Pattersons, > > Morrows, and Ponders were all involved in land transactions on those > > > tracts of land during those years. Most of these same > families/family > > members were living next to each other in 1810 in Buncombe also. > Also, > > John Patterson married Margaret Black (as mentioned before), and > their > > oldest son was named Joseph B. Patterson. There were quite a few > Joseph > > Blacks in that area, and I have always wondered if his full name was > > > Joseph Black Patterson. > > > > As for Thomas Patterson - he was living right next to our John > Patterson > > in 1800! I was just reviewing the original microfilm for that 1800 > > Buncombe census, and let me tell you - having transcriptions of > records > > available online are great helps, but they don't replace the value > of > > the original. The online versions of this census I have read before > are > > in alphabetical order. But there were several Pattersons in Buncombe > > > then. But when you look at the microfilm of the original you'll see > that > > John Patterson was the last line on page 184 and that Thomas > Patterson > > was the first line on page 185 - right next to him. The other > Pattersons > > in 1800 were much farther away from them in the "P"s section. > > > > Thomas was listed as 45+ in 1800 (Robert's son Thomas would have > been > > about 52). John was in the 26-45 category (most records have him as > > being born about 1766 or 67 - that would make him 33 or 34). We know > > > that Robert's Thomas had a son named John according to the 1775 will > of > > Robert Patterson - most researchers of that family having Thomas's > John > > as being born ca. 1765-1766. Well, the 1810 Buncombe county census > lists > > our John as 45+ which if he was actually 45, that would be a birth > year > > of 1765. So I have modified my records in my database to list his > birth > > year as "about 1765 - 1767". The point being he is definitely old > enough > > to be the same John referred to in Robert's will. > > > > Another thing... Robert not only had the son Thomas, but he also had > a > > daughter named Lydia who married a John Black. So we know the Blacks > and > > the York Co., SC Pattersons were together, as well. Also, another > > daughter of Robert named Elizabeth married Daniel Ponder (Pounders > in > > some records). This is the same Ponders that was involved in land > deeds > > in Buncombe county in 1801. He bought land on the "Newfound" from > George > > Black. > > > > The only other thing I know about Thomas Patterson is that he sold > land > > to his father in York, SC in 1786. Was he and his son John on the > move > > at that point? We do know that our John was over in Pendleton > District > > by 1788 when he married Margaret Black, and in 1790 on the census. > That > > was moving NW, and between 1795 and 1798 we know that John and > Margaret > > had moved into the western part of NC. Their son John II was born > ca. > > 1798 in NC. And then we have John and Margaret listed on the > Buncombe > > census in 1800 right next to a Thomas Patterson (and Thomas's wife, > by > > the way). > > > > Six months ago when I was first looking at these Craven/York county > > Pattersons, I felt pretty positive about the possibilities of a > link, > > but since I have been going through the deed records of Buncombe > again > > and the census records (originals) again, it's making much clearer > > sense. > > > > I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this line of thinking > (Thomas > > being the father of "our" John), whether you agree with me or not. I > > > will never have all of the facts, that's why I need all of your > > feedback. Thank you so much. > > > > Wes Patterson > > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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    08/17/2001 09:59:37
    1. [PATTERSON] Fw: Starting to search
    2. Jerry W. Murphy
    3. This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Doreen Kupchick" <DLK-10@webtv.net>. Please do not reply to the listowner! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Kupchick" <DLK-10@webtv.net> To: <PATTERSON-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Starting to search > Patterson,s of Sunderland Co. Durham England > >

    08/17/2001 08:50:36
    1. Re: [PATTERSON] Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC
    2. Judy DeGennaro
    3. Hi .. I'm new to this list. I just recently discovered a Patterson in my family line. He was Robert Patterson who married Elizabeth Porter. They had a daughter, Catherine, born abt 1817 in VA (I think) who married Delos Strickland. Catherine turns out to be my ggggrandmother. Any connections to your Pattersons? Thank for your time, Judy in California -----Original Message----- From: Wes Patterson <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> To: PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com <PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: [PATTERSON] Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------02A37B3AEE3942F23CD5406E >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Cay, > >I believe you were the first one who put me on to this Robert Patterson >family about 6 or 8 months ago. I didn't have enough of a grasp on the >census and deed records at that time to give you any help from the >perspective you were asking. But you definitely set me on a course that >has allowed/forced me to refocus on all of these Pattersons once again, >but with a brighter light of understanding. Thanks again for setting me >in this direction. I've been looking for leads like this for over 11 >years. I know many others who descend from John and Margaret have been >looking for a lot longer than I have, too. > >Wes > >Cay Devin wrote: > >> West, >> >> I think your doing a great job. I'm from the Robert Patterson >> (1727-1791) >> line (from son Robert) and I too believe that John Patterson (m. to >> Margaret >> Black) is the son of Thomas Patterson. A year or so ago I also dug >> through >> those census records looking for Thomas Patterson, and the most >> likely >> candidate I could find was the one you mentioned on the 1800 Buncombe >> Co NC >> Census. The one living next door to John and Margaret Black >> Patterson. >> >> I didn't get to spend must time following Thomas, personal things have >> >> pulled me away from my genealogy research for the last year or so.... >> But >> I'm very happy to see someone else continuing along the same line.. >> >> Cay Devin >> New Email address: devinc@devca.com >> >> >> On 8/17/01 7:48 AM, "wpatersn@wfubmc.edu" <wpatersn@wfubmc.edu> wrote: >> >> > Robert Patterson of the old Craven Co./York Co., SC lived from ca. >> 1727 >> > to 1791. His oldest son was Thomas Patterson, born ca. 1748, >> probably >> > around Augusta Co., Va. Thomas sold land to his father Robert >> Patterson >> > in York Co., SC in 1786, possibly indicating that he was leaving the >> >> > area as many families were. >> > >> > There was a Thomas Patterson listed in the 1800 Buncombe Co., NC >> census. >> > I realize that all the land (in NC) west of Buncombe county was >> Indian >> > lands in 1800, but all white persons in those lands were recorded on >> the >> > Buncombe county census. Who was this Thomas Patterson? Does anyone >> have >> > any information to show that he was NOT the son of the York county, >> SC >> > Robert Patterson? >> > >> > I am open to anyone who will offer corrections to my information, >> but >> > lately I have (once again) been pouring over the census records of >> 1790, >> > 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. for upper SC, Buncombe, Haywood and Macon >> > counties of NC, and the north Ga counties of Hall, Habersham, Rabun, >> and >> > Union during the 1830, 1834, and 1840 years (there's an 1834 listing >> for >> > Union in case some of you didn't know). >> > >> > I believe that Thomas Patterson (son of Robert Patterson 1727-1791 >> of >> > York Co., SC) was the father of "our" John Patterson, the one who >> > married Margaret Black about 1788 in the old Pendleton District of >> SC. >> > John and Margaret were in Union Co., Ga in 1840, and Margaret was >> still >> > living during the 1850 Union Co., Ga census. >> > >> > I DO know that our John (b. ca. 1765-1767 SC, d. 1840s GA) was in >> the >> > Buncombe Co., NC census in 1800 and 1810. I know that he was >> involved in >> > land deeds in Buncombe county between 1800 and 1810 involving tracts >> of >> > land called "Newfound" and "French Broad River", and others. These >> deeds >> > were with a Richard Morrow and a Reuben Black. The Blacks, >> Pattersons, >> > Morrows, and Ponders were all involved in land transactions on those >> >> > tracts of land during those years. Most of these same >> families/family >> > members were living next to each other in 1810 in Buncombe also. >> Also, >> > John Patterson married Margaret Black (as mentioned before), and >> their >> > oldest son was named Joseph B. Patterson. There were quite a few >> Joseph >> > Blacks in that area, and I have always wondered if his full name was >> >> > Joseph Black Patterson. >> > >> > As for Thomas Patterson - he was living right next to our John >> Patterson >> > in 1800! I was just reviewing the original microfilm for that 1800 >> > Buncombe census, and let me tell you - having transcriptions of >> records >> > available online are great helps, but they don't replace the value >> of >> > the original. The online versions of this census I have read before >> are >> > in alphabetical order. But there were several Pattersons in Buncombe >> >> > then. But when you look at the microfilm of the original you'll see >> that >> > John Patterson was the last line on page 184 and that Thomas >> Patterson >> > was the first line on page 185 - right next to him. The other >> Pattersons >> > in 1800 were much farther away from them in the "P"s section. >> > >> > Thomas was listed as 45+ in 1800 (Robert's son Thomas would have >> been >> > about 52). John was in the 26-45 category (most records have him as >> > being born about 1766 or 67 - that would make him 33 or 34). We know >> >> > that Robert's Thomas had a son named John according to the 1775 will >> of >> > Robert Patterson - most researchers of that family having Thomas's >> John >> > as being born ca. 1765-1766. Well, the 1810 Buncombe county census >> lists >> > our John as 45+ which if he was actually 45, that would be a birth >> year >> > of 1765. So I have modified my records in my database to list his >> birth >> > year as "about 1765 - 1767". The point being he is definitely old >> enough >> > to be the same John referred to in Robert's will. >> > >> > Another thing... Robert not only had the son Thomas, but he also had >> a >> > daughter named Lydia who married a John Black. So we know the Blacks >> and >> > the York Co., SC Pattersons were together, as well. Also, another >> > daughter of Robert named Elizabeth married Daniel Ponder (Pounders >> in >> > some records). This is the same Ponders that was involved in land >> deeds >> > in Buncombe county in 1801. He bought land on the "Newfound" from >> George >> > Black. >> > >> > The only other thing I know about Thomas Patterson is that he sold >> land >> > to his father in York, SC in 1786. Was he and his son John on the >> move >> > at that point? We do know that our John was over in Pendleton >> District >> > by 1788 when he married Margaret Black, and in 1790 on the census. >> That >> > was moving NW, and between 1795 and 1798 we know that John and >> Margaret >> > had moved into the western part of NC. Their son John II was born >> ca. >> > 1798 in NC. And then we have John and Margaret listed on the >> Buncombe >> > census in 1800 right next to a Thomas Patterson (and Thomas's wife, >> by >> > the way). >> > >> > Six months ago when I was first looking at these Craven/York county >> > Pattersons, I felt pretty positive about the possibilities of a >> link, >> > but since I have been going through the deed records of Buncombe >> again >> > and the census records (originals) again, it's making much clearer >> > sense. >> > >> > I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this line of thinking >> (Thomas >> > being the father of "our" John), whether you agree with me or not. I >> >> > will never have all of the facts, that's why I need all of your >> > feedback. Thank you so much. >> > >> > Wes Patterson >> > http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html >> > >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> > PattersonGenealogyNC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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    08/17/2001 08:20:19
    1. [PATTERSON] Thomas Patterson 1800 Buncombe Co., NC
    2. Wes Patterson
    3. Robert Patterson of the old Craven Co./York Co., SC lived from ca. 1727 to 1791. His oldest son was Thomas Patterson, born ca. 1748, probably around Augusta Co., Va. Thomas sold land to his father Robert Patterson in York Co., SC in 1786, possibly indicating that he was leaving the area as many families were. There was a Thomas Patterson listed in the 1800 Buncombe Co., NC census. I realize that all the land (in NC) west of Buncombe county was Indian lands in 1800, but all white persons in those lands were recorded on the Buncombe county census. Who was this Thomas Patterson? Does anyone have any information to show that he was NOT the son of the York county, SC Robert Patterson? I am open to anyone who will offer corrections to my information, but lately I have (once again) been pouring over the census records of 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, etc. for upper SC, Buncombe, Haywood and Macon counties of NC, and the north Ga counties of Hall, Habersham, Rabun, and Union during the 1830, 1834, and 1840 years (there's an 1834 listing for Union in case some of you didn't know). I believe that Thomas Patterson (son of Robert Patterson 1727-1791 of York Co., SC) was the father of "our" John Patterson, the one who married Margaret Black about 1788 in the old Pendleton District of SC. John and Margaret were in Union Co., Ga in 1840, and Margaret was still living during the 1850 Union Co., Ga census. I DO know that our John (b. ca. 1765-1767 SC, d. 1840s GA) was in the Buncombe Co., NC census in 1800 and 1810. I know that he was involved in land deeds in Buncombe county between 1800 and 1810 involving tracts of land called "Newfound" and "French Broad River", and others. These deeds were with a Richard Morrow and a Reuben Black. The Blacks, Pattersons, Morrows, and Ponders were all involved in land transactions on those tracts of land during those years. Most of these same families/family members were living next to each other in 1810 in Buncombe also. Also, John Patterson married Margaret Black (as mentioned before), and their oldest son was named Joseph B. Patterson. There were quite a few Joseph Blacks in that area, and I have always wondered if his full name was Joseph Black Patterson. As for Thomas Patterson - he was living right next to our John Patterson in 1800! I was just reviewing the original microfilm for that 1800 Buncombe census, and let me tell you - having transcriptions of records available online are great helps, but they don't replace the value of the original. The online versions of this census I have read before are in alphabetical order. But there were several Pattersons in Buncombe then. But when you look at the microfilm of the original you'll see that John Patterson was the last line on page 184 and that Thomas Patterson was the first line on page 185 - right next to him. The other Pattersons in 1800 were much farther away from them in the "P"s section. Thomas was listed as 45+ in 1800 (Robert's son Thomas would have been about 52). John was in the 26-45 category (most records have him as being born about 1766 or 67 - that would make him 33 or 34). We know that Robert's Thomas had a son named John according to the 1775 will of Robert Patterson - most researchers of that family having Thomas's John as being born ca. 1765-1766. Well, the 1810 Buncombe county census lists our John as 45+ which if he was actually 45, that would be a birth year of 1765. So I have modified my records in my database to list his birth year as "about 1765 - 1767". The point being he is definitely old enough to be the same John referred to in Robert's will. Another thing... Robert not only had the son Thomas, but he also had a daughter named Lydia who married a John Black. So we know the Blacks and the York Co., SC Pattersons were together, as well. Also, another daughter of Robert named Elizabeth married Daniel Ponder (Pounders in some records). This is the same Ponders that was involved in land deeds in Buncombe county in 1801. He bought land on the "Newfound" from George Black. The only other thing I know about Thomas Patterson is that he sold land to his father in York, SC in 1786. Was he and his son John on the move at that point? We do know that our John was over in Pendleton District by 1788 when he married Margaret Black, and in 1790 on the census. That was moving NW, and between 1795 and 1798 we know that John and Margaret had moved into the western part of NC. Their son John II was born ca. 1798 in NC. And then we have John and Margaret listed on the Buncombe census in 1800 right next to a Thomas Patterson (and Thomas's wife, by the way). Six months ago when I was first looking at these Craven/York county Pattersons, I felt pretty positive about the possibilities of a link, but since I have been going through the deed records of Buncombe again and the census records (originals) again, it's making much clearer sense. I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this line of thinking (Thomas being the father of "our" John), whether you agree with me or not. I will never have all of the facts, that's why I need all of your feedback. Thank you so much. Wes Patterson http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html

    08/17/2001 04:48:26
    1. [PATTERSON] Pittsylvania County, Virginia Pattersons
    2. Bonnie Pegram-Patterson Wakeman
    3. Is anyone related to the Pittsylvania County, Virginia Pattersons? Littleberry Patterson is the first Patterson to the area, not known where from. He was b. abt. 1749, d. 18 Oct 1796. He married Nancy (Nanney) Thomas abt. 1770 and they had the following children; Elizabeth, John, Agatha, William, Edward, Robert, Thomas, Milley (Molly), and Fanny. Then my tree skips a generation because I don't know what child of Littleberry's my ancestor, Willis Huntas Patterson, comes from. Willis was born 04 Oct 1822, married Ann J. Evans, b. 1823. They had the following children: Mary C. (G), William H., Willis Huntas, Jr., John Thomas (My ggrandfather), Rhoda Ann, Martha Terry, Lucy F., Josiah Davis, and Sarah J. My line comes from John Thomas Patterson, b. 05 Sep 1854, m. Mary Jane Williams. They had: Lily, Clara Mae, Grover Thomas, Nora Ann, Daley Bertha, Lloyd Maynard, and Marion Linwood (my grandfather). If you are related to any of these Patterson's coming from Pittsylvania County, VA, please write me. Would be happy to share information and meet new cousins. Other surnames in this area: Patterson, Williams, Morris, Evans, Shelton, Quisenberry. Thanks, Bonnie

    08/17/2001 01:46:55
    1. [PATTERSON] Re: PATTERSON-D Digest V01 #102
    2. jsisco
    3. Is there anyone on this list that has any info on a Nancy Patterson who is living in the household with both her daughter, Susan who married a Kirkland and James Patterson and his wife Marthy and their children. Also in the same household are some Harris children. All this is from the Lincoln County, Tn 1850 census. Also another daughter, Sallie married a Kirkland. Any help with this family will be most appreciated. I need to know who Nancy's husband was. I need to know what Nancy's maiden name was. Census says she came from NC. I have been at a brick wall with this family for many years. I know somewhere out there there is info that will tell me this info. Thanks for any help. Delores Sisco PATTERSON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > PATTERSON-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 102 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [PATTERSON] lost bridegrooms locat [MEGBR549@aol.com] > #2 [PATTERSON] William Henry Bradford [Chuck Kimball <76516.2365@compuser] > #3 [PATTERSON] PATTERSON of Kentucky [Klaryse <Klaryse@home.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from PATTERSON-D, send a message to > > PATTERSON-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PATTERSON] lost bridegrooms located-young civil war widows > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:40:13 EDT > From: MEGBR549@aol.com > To: PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com > > james M. Dodd married malissa caroline patterson in san augustine co. tx. on > sept 27, 1860. > > James N. Patterson married marcella Louise (lucy marilla) DODD in san > augustine co. tx. on sept 27, 1860. > > The Dodd parents were in san augustine co. in 1860 and the father, ashley > haywood dodd is dead of pleurisy in march of 1860. > > The Patterson parents were in san augustine or sabine co. tx and moved to st. > landrys parish, LA by 1870. they are listed there in census with a grandson > of the patterson/dodd marriage who was born in 1862, age 8. > > These two bridegrooms went to war together- they joined the texas infantry > 19th division and died before the end of 1862 both of disease ,in training > camp and never got to war. CAMP RHONDO, arkansas. > > The DODD/patterson wife, malissa caroline is missing. > The PATTERSON/Dodd wife, marcella louise is missing.-this is the mother of > the little patterson grandchild who is in st.landrys parish,LA. > > I have been unable to find these two young war widows, in La. with "momma" or > in any contact with their familys in texas. > > WE have not found an 1870 census for texas for the following family > members-who Marcella dodd patterson may have gone to visit after the death of > her husband : need census findings for 1870 for any of these people: Any > counties around Milam, Bandera, San augustine. (about half of texas!) > > Lucy DODD, mother > Lucy Autry (or husband, Lewis Autry). mother and step- father > James Riley DODD, uncle > Louis Taylor DODD, brother > > theodore Grabener and wife Elizabeth, or Rudolph Grabener and wife Mary > Patterson Asmore. (brothers in law- sisters) > > associated family : collins, pounds, cave, grabener, bowen, dunlap(dunlop). > > Marcella louise (lucy dodd patterson) may have married a man name of: John > Dunlop (Dunlap) unknown, family legend. > > Any and all help greatly appreciated. sincerely, looking for the" lost > widows of san augustine co".. descendants of these two familys and the little > grandson : james m patterson, last seen in rapides parish,LA. 1880. > > thanks, judy hugg grimes, yorba linda ca. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PATTERSON] William Henry Bradford and Kathryn Brumbelow > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:10 -0400 > From: Chuck Kimball <76516.2365@compuserve.com> > To: PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com > > -------------Forwarded Message----------------- > > Gina Thomas Patterson. I tried to send this to your e-mail address and it > was returned. > > Gina wrote: <I have some info on this family - would be glad to share. > Kathryn is a granddaughter of Charles John Brumbelow Sr. & his wife Neoma, > they are my gggg-grandparents.> > > Hi Gina. My wife has a ggg-grandfather Robert James Bradford b. 1773 SC m. > to Margaret Hawthorne who had a brother William Bradford. Their parents > were Robert Bradford and Mary (unknown). Does this sound like the same > family as yours? Chuck & Letha Patterson Kimball > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PATTERSON] PATTERSON of Kentucky 1860 and back > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:12:19 -0700 > From: Klaryse <Klaryse@home.com> > To: PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com > > Looking for any connection to these PATTERSON names and counties:: > > Lilly/Lillie/Lillien/Lillian B. 10/25/1862-12/263/1937 Daviess Co, Ky > and Vanderburgh Co, > Indiana > William born Kentucky > Hiram of Cynthiana, Ky (Harrison Co) > Sarah > Dr. Evan > Sarah ENSCOE/INSCOE? > > Thank You, > Klaryse Ellis Adams > ELLIS/PATTERSON/THOMAS/FANT/SMITH/PARRISH/CHEW/HILL > WENZICK/OURS/WARREN/FLETCHER/WORSTOFFER/BORMAN/GARDNER/MORRIS > BROOKS/GREEN/BELL/KELLY/VAUGHN/ROBINSON > BERRYMAN/CHAPMAN/SWAIN/BAKER/NALL > CRAIG > THOMAS > PROCTOR/BURBRIDGE/HAWKINS/COLLINS/ONEAL/CARR/MONTAGUE

    08/16/2001 07:54:03
    1. [PATTERSON] PATTERSON of Kentucky 1860 and back
    2. Klaryse
    3. Looking for any connection to these PATTERSON names and counties:: Lilly/Lillie/Lillien/Lillian B. 10/25/1862-12/263/1937 Daviess Co, Ky and Vanderburgh Co, Indiana William born Kentucky Hiram of Cynthiana, Ky (Harrison Co) Sarah Dr. Evan Sarah ENSCOE/INSCOE? Thank You, Klaryse Ellis Adams ELLIS/PATTERSON/THOMAS/FANT/SMITH/PARRISH/CHEW/HILL WENZICK/OURS/WARREN/FLETCHER/WORSTOFFER/BORMAN/GARDNER/MORRIS BROOKS/GREEN/BELL/KELLY/VAUGHN/ROBINSON BERRYMAN/CHAPMAN/SWAIN/BAKER/NALL CRAIG THOMAS PROCTOR/BURBRIDGE/HAWKINS/COLLINS/ONEAL/CARR/MONTAGUE

    08/16/2001 08:12:19
    1. [PATTERSON] William Henry Bradford and Kathryn Brumbelow
    2. Chuck Kimball
    3. -------------Forwarded Message----------------- Gina Thomas Patterson. I tried to send this to your e-mail address and it was returned. Gina wrote: <I have some info on this family - would be glad to share. Kathryn is a granddaughter of Charles John Brumbelow Sr. & his wife Neoma, they are my gggg-grandparents.> Hi Gina. My wife has a ggg-grandfather Robert James Bradford b. 1773 SC m. to Margaret Hawthorne who had a brother William Bradford. Their parents were Robert Bradford and Mary (unknown). Does this sound like the same family as yours? Chuck & Letha Patterson Kimball

    08/16/2001 04:21:10
    1. [PATTERSON] lost bridegrooms located-young civil war widows
    2. james M. Dodd married malissa caroline patterson in san augustine co. tx. on sept 27, 1860. James N. Patterson married marcella Louise (lucy marilla) DODD in san augustine co. tx. on sept 27, 1860. The Dodd parents were in san augustine co. in 1860 and the father, ashley haywood dodd is dead of pleurisy in march of 1860. The Patterson parents were in san augustine or sabine co. tx and moved to st. landrys parish, LA by 1870. they are listed there in census with a grandson of the patterson/dodd marriage who was born in 1862, age 8. These two bridegrooms went to war together- they joined the texas infantry 19th division and died before the end of 1862 both of disease ,in training camp and never got to war. CAMP RHONDO, arkansas. The DODD/patterson wife, malissa caroline is missing. The PATTERSON/Dodd wife, marcella louise is missing.-this is the mother of the little patterson grandchild who is in st.landrys parish,LA. I have been unable to find these two young war widows, in La. with "momma" or in any contact with their familys in texas. WE have not found an 1870 census for texas for the following family members-who Marcella dodd patterson may have gone to visit after the death of her husband : need census findings for 1870 for any of these people: Any counties around Milam, Bandera, San augustine. (about half of texas!) Lucy DODD, mother Lucy Autry (or husband, Lewis Autry). mother and step- father James Riley DODD, uncle Louis Taylor DODD, brother theodore Grabener and wife Elizabeth, or Rudolph Grabener and wife Mary Patterson Asmore. (brothers in law- sisters) associated family : collins, pounds, cave, grabener, bowen, dunlap(dunlop). Marcella louise (lucy dodd patterson) may have married a man name of: John Dunlop (Dunlap) unknown, family legend. Any and all help greatly appreciated. sincerely, looking for the" lost widows of san augustine co".. descendants of these two familys and the little grandson : james m patterson, last seen in rapides parish,LA. 1880. thanks, judy hugg grimes, yorba linda ca.

    08/15/2001 10:40:13
    1. [PATTERSON] Fw: (no subject)
    2. Jerry W. Murphy
    3. This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to <CarPttrsn@aol.com>. Please do not reply to the listowner! ----- Original Message ----- From: <CarPttrsn@aol.com> To: <PATTERSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:01 AM Subject: (no subject) > searching for LENTS--CANATSEY families from Loogootee & Morganstown ,Indiana > for relationship with Patterson,Ryon(Ryan),Eberts and Rauchfuss -data was on > a GEDCOM with LDS but not the tie in--- > >

    08/13/2001 06:34:56
    1. [PATTERSON] John .H. Patterson
    2. Joe and Rebekka Branson
    3. Hello Everyone, I'm new to the list and hoping that someone is researching the same Patterson's as I am. Most of this Patterson family is from Western Maryland. I have gotten to John H. Patterson, b. 1816, d. 1904. He was married 2-2-1848 to Susanah (Susan) Garey, b. 1829, d. 1904. The census says he was born in D.C. and she was born in Md. His father was from Scotland and Mother from MD. By word of mouth, we were told his father was a sailor from N. Ireland who died of Yellow fever in New Orleans. John H. and Susanah had 12 children-( the first 2 were from a previous marriage to her sister Louisa, she probably died in childbirth). All born in Allegany county, MD (probably) -Margaret V. 12-1-1845 -George W. 4-22- 1847 -Minerva C. 12-3-1850 -John W. 8-28-1852 -Mary L. 11-25-1854 -Isabell 4-26-1857 -Elisabeth H. 1-25-1860 -Thomas E. G. 8-15-1862 -Sampson 1963 -Charles C. 11-26-1865 d. 1952 -Ida May 9-17-1867 -Fanny Susan 10-22-1870 -Edward Allen 6-28-1873 Charles Patterson is my great grandfather, he married Agnes Hyde(1869-1926). Their son was John Lester Patterson b. 9-19-1901, d. 4-15-1987-married Ruth Michaels Shaw b. 8-22-1911, d. 6-30-1992. Please let me know if you have any other information about this family. Thank you! Rebekka Patterson Branson

    08/13/2001 04:50:54