Joel; The Pate Coat-of-Arms questioned is from my web site. I at no time claim that this crest was granted to the American Pate family. The story of how and to whom the Arms was granted to is in the David Pate genealogy in the same site as the Arms. I also tell how I got it, from a Mr. Green, in London. I found the Pate Arms quarted with the Smith Arms and that is how I got the crest. From your answer to the question, the motto is correct, but when you give it you make it sound like I am giving out bad info. If you fill this way, please let me know how. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Family Motto > Diana > The standard reference for British coats of arms that contains a > representation and description of the PATE arms is Burke's book on Extinct > English and Irish Arms. > That work indicates that the arms with the 3 Roman letters "R" was a life > baronet grant that EXPIRED upon the death of the grantee. To my knowledge > no embellishments, honors or motto were granted, recognized or recorded. > > One translation of "Pietas nunquam mor moritur" > Death Never Kills Goodness (piety) > > Semper suspicat mal > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Icdrose1@aol.com> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:34 PM > Subject: [PATE] Family Motto > > > > The following website: > > > > http://regan.org/genealogy/families/pate/coat_pate.htm > > > > gives "Pietas nunquam mor moritur" as the Pate family motto...anyone know > the > > translation? > > > > Many thanks! Diana > > > > >