The marriage in Brazos County did not have any bondsmen.  I did not write down the name of the minister conducting the wedding.   I've wondered if J H Pate might be the same person as the John Pate, who died on 1 Apr 1894 in Brazos County.   I also found in the 1870 census of Grimes County (which is adjacent to Brazos County):   William Pate  b. abt 1836, GA Mary   b. abt 1840, AL John  b. abt 1862, TX Andy  b. abt 1864, TX Susan  b. abt 1866, TX   I do not know anything else on this family.  Could the John in 1870 Grimes County be J H Pate and the John, who died in 1894?   Dan ________________________________ From: Joel Pate <patej@nettally.com> To: "PATE-L@rootsweb. com" <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:35 PM Subject: [PATE] J H Pate and Nancy I Love 27 Oct 1885 Vol F, page 301 - Brazos Co., TX For April Johnson, Dan Franklin and Green Hall I have not been able to identify and place the J H Pate who married Nancy I Love  in Brazos Co.,  TX in 1885. Dan: Perhaps the marriage license has additional clues.  Who were the bondsmen, who was the officiant? I feel certain that this couple are not the Joshua Pate who married Nancy Jane Love in Tuscaloosa Co., AL about 1856. Nancy Jane Love Pate was enumerated: 1860 Tuscaloosa Co., AL Joshuway and Nancy 1870 Tuscaloosa Co,, AL Nancy Pate apparent widow 1880 San Jacinto Co., TX Nancy Pate. widow Her individual summary, from file AL57 Individual Summary 25 October 2012 Name: Nancy Jane Love Sex: Female Individual Facts Birth 10 Feb 1830 Pickens Co, AL Misc 10 Feb 1830 (age 0) daughter of John O'neill Love and Eliza Jane McDowell of Spartanburg, SC Census 1860 (about age 30) Tuscaloosa Co., AL Census 1870 (about age 40) Tuscaloosa Co., AL Census 1880 (about age 50) San Jacinto Co., TX Death 19 Jan 1895 (age 64) Marriages/Children 1. Joshua Pate (1830-1870) Marriage abt 1856 (about age 26) AL Children Emily Pate (1857- ) Alexander Pate (1859- ) did not marry of have issue Lucinda Pate (1861- ) Notes Notes: Nancy Jane Love Census (1860): Page 646, Bell's, site 428/403 Census (1870): Page 273, Sipsey, site 36/38 Census (1880): Enum Dist 149, sheet 3B, site 39/39 April:  You are correct.  Joshua Pate was a son of John Pate and Susannah Allen, who married 19 Jun 1813 in Morgan Co., GA You are also correct in your observation in another aspect of this Pate family.  Joshua Pate had an older brother, Isham Polk Pate 1822-1895. Isham Polk Pate was the progenitor of the Pate DNA Project participant with the unique Haplogroup E1b1b1. Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE Pate@RootsWeb.com A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message