Helen: Regarding Randolph Pate b ca 1795 VA 1850 Williamson Co TN Page 295, Civil District 15, site 773/773 Randolph Pate-----55 W/M b VA 1795 Sarah Pate--------50 W/F b VA 1800 Hardin Pate-------22 W/M b TN 1828 Lucy J Pate-------23 W/F b TN 1827 Jesse Pate--------20 W/M b TN 1830 Parmelia Pate-----18 W/F b TN 1832 William Pate Jr---14 W/M b TN 1836 Daniel Pate-------12 W/M b TN 1838 Thomas Pate-------10 W/M b TN 1840 1860 Davidson Co TN, Page 158 Nashville site 918/918 Randolph Pate-----66 W/M b VA 1794 Sallie Pate-------68 W/F b NC 1792 Lucy Pate---------38 W/F b NC 1822 Augustus Pate-----32 W/M b NC 1828 Harding Pate------28 W/M b TN 1832 Permelia Pate-----27 W/M b TN 1833 I note the "shift" in birthplaces for the children and the "shift" in age for the spouse. The 1850 record makes me want to say that his name was William Randolph Pate. If the oft debated Anglo-Scots naming convention was at play in this family, and given the fact that the third son was a "Jr" it appears that it might have been, then "Hardin" is a candidate for Randolph's father's name. Is the Jesse in 1850 the Augustus in 1860? The given name Randolph may have come from an earlier Pate-Randolph marriage Moving forward to 1870 there are 5 households in near proximity in the Union City area of Obion Co TN that pique my interest- 1870 Obion Co Page 69 Union City, Site 72/72 Jesse Pate---------39 W/M b TN 1831 Elizabeth Pate-----40 W/F b TN 1830 William Pate-------20 W/M b TN 1850 Thomas Pate--------24 W/M b TN 1846 Luke L Pate--------18 W/M b TN 1852 Sarah Pate---------11 W/F b TN 1859 Lucy Pate---------- 7 W/F b TN 1863 Martha Pate-------- 5 W/F b TN 1865 Robert Pate-------- 2 W/F b TN 1868 Page 69 Union City, Site 73/73 Daniel Pate--------36 W/M b TN 1834 Nancy E Pate-------30 W/F b TN 1840 Ane E Pate---------10 W/F b TN 1860 Mary E Pate-------- 6 W/F b TN 1864 Charles Pate------- 3 W/M b TN 1867 Page 70 Union City, Site 77/77 Thomas Pate--------33 W/M b TN 1837 Sarah J Pate-------27 W/F b TN 1843 Josephine Pate-----11 W/F b TN 1859 James H Pate------- 8 W/M b TN 1862 Laura Pate--------- 3 W/F b TN 1867 Alice Pate---------2m W/F b TN 1870 Page 70 Union City, Site 81/81 Harvy Pate---------50 W/M b TN 1820 Lucy Pate----------40 W/F b TN 1830 Are Hardin in 1850, Harding in 1860 and Harvy in 1870 the same man? Are Harvy and Lucy Pate husband and wife or brother and sister? I would submit that they were siblings. Moving to the 1880 census - WOODLAND MILLS, OBION CO PAGE 33B Hardin Pate--------55 W/M Head TN/TN/TN 1825 Lucy Pate----------57 W/F Sister TN/TN/TN 1823 WOODLAND MILLS, OBION CO PAGE 25B Jessee Pate--------50 W/M Head TN/VA/VA 1830 Elizabeth Pate-----51 W/F Wife TN/TN/TN 1829 Sallie Pate--------21 W/F Dau TN/VA/TN 1859 Lucy Pate----------16 W/F Dau TN/VA/TN 1864 Martha Pate--------14 W/F Dau TN/VA/TN 1866 Robert Pate--------13 W/M Son TN/VA/TN 1867 Susan Smith--------30 W/F S/Dau TN/TN/TN 1850 I rest my case on the sibling relationship between Hardin and Lucy 1900 Obion Co ED 125, sheet 5, Civil District 10 site 35/36 Harden Pate--------60 W/M Head TN/VA/NC MTH 1840 Lucy Pate----------61 W/F Sist TN/VA/NC MAR 1839 Jessie Pate and family were at site 33/34 Joel