Joel, Thanks for the info! It looks like Samuel ends at Malcom Blue house for now. I can't seem to get any place with this now. It looks like from sr John, the 2 Charles pates all the Thoroughgoods {three generations} Willoughby pate Shadrack,"Sallie"Sarah Jane Pate. Some place down the line, Samuels father will show up with the help of our friends and kins>> Yours withen the faith. Jimpate8@wmconnect.com