MessageDear Alice, I may confuse rather than help but here goes. The 1817 Madison Co, Al will says my wife, my oldest son James and my son in law James Milliken. (Jinks says that this is her Polly Pate who married in Madison Co (and all of the early marriages are on line now. I verified my Henderson Clark to Eliz. Pate 1819 and also that of Andrew Jackson Pate to Jane Milliken ((although it says Jany Milligan, all the family (grandchildren) seem to believe that it is Milliken)). ((Is Jane Milliken sister to James Milliken married to Polly Pate in the Stephen Pate will of 1817?) James bn 1778 (1860 Dyer Co Census)in Tn has a wife bn in 1850 Eliz W who is bn 1795 KY. (I wonder if there was a first wife for James?) (My Henderson Clark is also bn Ky 1797 but the Clarks are proven to be from the from the Washington Co TN area as I feel sure that Eliz Pate's family will be.) Children in the 1860 census with James Pate by 1778 TN are G. W. 1816, Jane 1822, Stephen 1826 bn AL (! and listed as an idiot in the census), Mathew 1827, E. 1830, Mary E 1832, R.A. 1834. (I would take all these dates as @ rather than for sure.) There is little doubt in my mind that this James Pate is the eldest son of Stephen Pate of the 1817 will. Note that in 1817 the wife is still alive and I forgot to say that there are 5 under aged children for the 1817 will. Willingham and Thompson are two of the names who signed the document. You have my Eliz Ann Pate bn 1800 Tn and married to Henderson Clark in 1819, Madison Co TN. Later 1850, after the death of Jane Milliken Pate Pate and Mathew Pate (remember that she is known to have married the two brothers Stephen and Mathew 1830), the ONLY child of the Jane Mathew marriage is E. Cain Pate bn 1831 Dyer Co and he lives with my Clarks (Eliz Pate Clark). The Clarks also have with them E. Rucker who is identified as being the sister of Zach Rucker (md Madison Co) who married Susan Pate (who is considered by Dyersburg lore to be the sister of my Eliz Pate.) The Phillips and Fitzhughs are connected with the Ruckers. Henderson Clarks' son Charles P. has in 1850 with his G. F. Rucker age 26 Al (son of Zach and Susan Pate, Mary Rucker 21 NC; M PateKY and E. Pierce Ga. Andrew Jackson Pate son of Stephen Pate and Jane Milliken. Named for the Andrew Jackson who the family consistenly says was in the house returning from the Battle of New Orleans during the week of birth. They also says that Aj was a Cousin to the family. The Hermitage says that Andrew Jackson was in the Madison area that week. He married Susan Martha Thurman Bell who was a widow. She had had 4 children but only one lived. I believe this is Mary A. H. The children listed on the census are Charles W 1839, Gaston A.1842, Margaret J 1846, John Calvin 1846 (I must have an entry error), Amanda M. 1848, Martha Joseph 1850,Zelpha Susan 1852, Analiza H. 1840. I will have to look at the census again. You have George B. Pate bn 1805 Tn who marries Mariah Miller (sister of William Miller bn 1800 who marries 2nd Polly Pate bn Al) and has three children: R. H. 1836, J. M. 1837 and M. F. 1834. Mariah Miller Pate is dead by 1839 and George B Pate dead by 1852. Then you have Margaret Pate Finley's Pate who she belives are more distant from the Andrew Jackson Pates although Analiza marries Richard Adams and are part of her family. Margaret's Pates are the John Pates. You have in 1852 Mathew Pate going to court in Gibson and Dyer saying that his father Stephen Pate is dead and that He and Mary Ann Pate Miller (although she is called the wife of Wm Miller of Dyer Co.) were two of the eight children of Stephen Pate. I think that the older generation is going (my Eliz Pate Clark dead 1848, Mariah Miller and her husband George B Pate are dead by 1852, Stephen Pate before 1830, Mathew Pate abt 1844, Zach Rucker and Susan Pate have come and gone to Beebe, Ark where she dies in 1870s, Andrew Jackson Pate is dead by 1855) and he wants to establish and protect his and Mary Ann rights to property. I think that property will solve this question. I know that Henderson Clark had land in all the surrounding counties. I wonder if some of it came through Elizabeth. I truly need to go to the property books. Alice, I don't know where your James fits in nor where the James buried fits as well. I think that we need to go to Gibson, Dyer, and Obion counties and follow the property. I think I will send this on to the Pate list. Perhaps there will be a glimmer out there! Keep searching!! Thanks Meredith ----- Original Message ----- From: Alice Peterie To: 'Richard Sheridan' Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Pates Meredith, I made contact with a researcher in Gibson County and she has agreed to do a little digging in the court records for Pate/vs Nash. She said it might take some time, as she works full time. I'll keep you posted. I have a few questions. 1) There is a James M. Pate buried in the Avery Cemetery, b2/14/1819 d.1/29/1906. Do you know who that might be? My James Pate seems to have disappeared from the census around 1880s. 2) Do you have information on the families of Mathew and Stephen Pate? I'm still trying to locate a connection to my James Pate, and getting so confused. I didn't realize there were so many Pate families in the area. It would help to know the children of these two, and you said that Stephen had eight? Did they all move to Tennessee? Last time I was in Tennessee, I did find a couple of deeds. One is dated 11/28/1888. J.C. Pate, etal to J.F. Pate. 50 acres 7th District, Crockett County, $150. I believe it is some of Bolin's siblings selling to James F. Pate (which I believe is the youngest sibling) I believe I found the married names of Bolin's sisters. Would you want a copy? I also have a deed for property sold by a Thomas E. Noel to Mollie S. Pate and a deed of property sold by Mary S. Pate to J.E. Smothers. Hope this note finds you well. Alice