Mindy: The short answer to your question is "no". The overly long answer- The Elijah and Elizabeth Pate in the 1860 census of Monroe Co AL are Elijah Pate and (Martha) Elizabeth Gilland who married in Fayette Co GA 4 Oct 1850. This Elijah Pate can be found in the 1850 census of Fayette Co GA living with a much older women, also named Elizabeth Pate. Probably his mother. There were Gilland families in Fayette Co during the 1840-1860 period. Elijah and Elizabeth Gilland Pate were in Monroe Co AL in 1870 and Bastrop Co TX in 1880 and 1900. The 1900 census record reflects that she had given birth to 10 child of which 7 were alive at census time. They had been married 50 years per the census record. I have not yet been able to research graves in Bastrop Co TX, but if their graves are marked, there should be a record. It is my conclusion that Elijah Pate, the putative father of David Elijah Bemilec Pate and Robert Francis Pate, died before the 1850 census of Butler Co AL and his widow, Elizabeth, was enumerated as head of household. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mindy Ricks" <MindyMac1@worldnet.att.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: [PATE] Elijah Pate > Joel > > Is it likely that the Elijah and Elizabeth Pate listed on the 1860 Monroe Co. AL census be the same Pate's from Butler Co.? Robert F. isn't listed with them and neither is any of the other children, just children born after 1850. I found this Elijah and Elizabeth while trying to find Robert F. and his mother. I still haven't Robert F. in 1860. Linda > > >