Joel, A number of persons from the SCV/MOSB have been quite generous and willing to help. Please see the information below that has the findings from some of these people (and also, from you). Would you see if the census information given is correct? How likely do you think it is that the James D. Pate (Co. 5, 5th Georgia Reserves) mentioned my John Ben Pate is the same person as my ancestor James D. Pate? Of course, John Ben Pate lists two James D. Pates (one as a Lieutenant) and the other as the possible Private of the 5th Georgia Reserves. Do you think that these could be the same person? Jeremy B. Utt ******************************************************************************* 1) Herman Johnson (SCV): James D. Pate and Jane Moore have (at least) three daughters. He mentions cemetery listings that he has for Turner Co., GA, from which he received this information. He also mentions that Turner Co., GA was formed partly from Wilcox Co., GA, and that Wilcox Co., GA was formed from Pulaski Co., GA. 2) Jim Templin (SCV): 1860 GA census (only one James Pate, with no middle initial listed). He was married to Jane (Moore?). James was 42 and Jane was 35. 1870 GA census lists Jane as head of the household, and the younger children from the 1860 census were with her and were the proper age. James may have died around 1868-69, because in 1870 there was one child that was one year old. Possible pension (application) for Jane Moore Pate? 3) Jim Pierce (SCV): Jeremy, From Pulaski County I have found: James Pate Residence Pulaski County GA; Enlisted on 6/20/1861 as a Private. On 6/20/1861 he mustered into "G" Co. GA 8th Infantry He was Killed on 6/28/1862 at Garnett's Farm, VA Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: - Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865 (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com 4) Jim Pierce (SCV): Jeremy and Al, Further research may reveal that the record for James Daniel may be for the same man who served in the 5th. It is possible he joined up with a local unit that was disbanded before official recognition and then joined again in the 5th Reserves, which never saw combat. Records I sent in my first reply substantiate that possibility. jim pierce 5) Jim Pierce (SCV): Compatriot Utt, Allow me to add a tidbit or two to the confirmation found by Compatriot Harding. The 5th Georgia Reserves, with 930 soldiers, was: Organized: on 11/1/63 Mustered Out: 2/4/64 and the Regimental Assignments was: From To Brigade Division Corps Army Comment Dec '63 Feb '64 Military Dist of Georgia Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Then we find the same numbered unit with 1733 combat soldiers: Organized: on 10/25/64 Mustered Out: 4/26/65 Here are the Regimental Assignments for that unit: From To Brigade Division Corps Army Comment Dec '64 Jan '65 Cumming's McLaws' Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Jan '65 Jan '65 Harrison's McLaws' Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Jan '65 Feb '65 Reserves McLaws' Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Feb '65 Feb '65 Harrison's McLaws' Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Feb '65 Apr '65 Fiser's McLaws' Dept of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Apr '65 Apr '65 Harrison's Walthall's 3rd Army of Tennessee Neither organization of the 5th Georgia Reserves suffered any casualties of any kind. I also found some records that may be of interest for soldiers. To be sure of your soldier, you can help by letting us know information about his county of residence. Here is a soldier record: J D. Pate Residence was not listed; Enlisted as a 2nd Lieutenant (date unknown). He was commissioned into "H" Co. GA 25th Bn Prov Gd Infantry (date and method of discharge not given)Note: the unit never officially "organized". I also have this record reconfirming what Ed Harding located for you:James PateResidence was not listed; Enlisted as a Private (date unknown). He mustered into "E" Co. GA 5th Reserves Infantry (date and method of discharge not given) There were other records for men named "JAMES PATE" and "J.D. PATE"but they were eliminated from inclusion here because they were identified with other numbered units (they were also killed in the war). My source for all information here is from: - Index to Compiled Confederate Military Service Records - Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865 provided by civilwardata.com a subscriber service. jim pierce camp 836 Morganton NC 6) Edward Harding (SCV): Compatriot Utt, Although I do not have detailed information on James D. Pate, I found him listed on one of my databases. The information I found matches what you have. On the database (Generations Grande Suite, US Civil War Muster Rolls) I found the following information: James Pate (no middle initial given) Private Co. E, 5th Georgia Reserves National Archives Box 000226, Roll 0047, Record 00001519 I hope this bit of information might be of some help. Edward Harding SCV/MOSB Life Member Washington, NC 7) Al Medcalf (SCV): Jeremy, Do you know what county in Ga. he lived in or what his wife's name was? I find a James Daniel Pate who served in Co.F 25th Georgia Prov Grds. His wife, Laura Pate drew a widows pension in Fulton Co. Ga. 8) Ron Jones Jeremy, The best way to verify that would be to request service records and pension records if any. A very good source is: Genealogical & Historical Room Washington Memorial Library 1180 Washington Ave Macon, Georgia 31201-1790 All you have to do is send them a letter with his name and unit. They will make copies and send you a bill back at about .25 cents per copy. You cannot find a better deal than that. Ron Jones Commander Camp 87 Knoxville,Tenn 9) T Michael Wabnitz Dear Mr. Utt The only reference I have is enclosed: James Pate Residence was not listed; Enlisted as a Private (date unknown). He mustered into "E" Co. GA 5th Reserves Infantry (date and method of discharge not given) Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.: - Index to Compiled Confederate Military Service Records (c) Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com Also listed was James E of the 46th Co. I, which was wounded twice, and James M. of the 44th Co. D which was taken prisoner. Hope this helps. Yours Deo Vindice LIVE THE CHARGE! In Southern Pride Honor, Home, Heritage T Michael Wabnitz Life Member SCV, Fire eater Past Adjutant, Camp 1492 Interim Commander Abram Fulkerson Camp Colorado Yankee Occupied Territory 10) Joel Pate (Pate Genealogy): Jeremy: I have nothing in the way of an official Confederate service record for James D Pate. >From the 1916-1917 booklet by John Ben Pate we have this clue. "James (D.) Pate, son of Rev. William Pate, was born in Pulaski County Ga., January 29th 1817, and in 1841 was married to Miss Jane Moore, who was born in Gwinett County, Ga., Oct. 12, 1825. He was 5 feet 9 inches tall, with dark hair and gray eyes, and owned several farms, four hundred and seventy head of cattle, four hundred head of sheep, and one hundred head of hogs. He was a very liberal giver to charity and benevolence, and in one year gave eleven beeves, forty bushels of meal and two hundred and sixty pounds of bacon to widows, orphans and people too old to work. In 1858 he was a member of the first grand jury of Wilcox County. In a letter to his family, dated at Macon, Ga., Co. E, Fifth Ga. Reserves, Oct. 6, 1864, he speaks of Savannah, Charleston and Augusta. He writes of his mother as having lived in Augusta, of sickness in camp, of his son Bennett being with him." I know from lots of digging that very often there were no service cards made for men who served in reserve, home guards, railway guard or local militias. Neither James D Pate nor his wife lived long enough to apply for any sort of pension. No pension rights would have accrued to his children.