Grace: Thanks you for the kind words. I'm not really an "authority" on all of this. That recognition best goes to Jinks Pate Lee. When I use notations like "AL25" it comes from the work that Jinks has done. Her AL25.1 chart is inserted below. In other charts Jinks reports that Newell W Pate was perhaps a son of Thomas Pate. If you have a chart of the descendants of John Wiley Pate (1864-1844) and Sarah Kornegay, please post it. Also if you have data on Pate AND allied family burials in Dixie Cemetery in Grayson Co TX, please share that. Joel Start 27 Apr 2001 AL 25.1 DESCENDANT CHART 1--Newell W PATE (17 Dec 1811-About 1857) -sp Harriett BROWN (1815) md 17 Dec 1829 --2--Gilbert G "Gib" PATE (About 1833-About 1884) -- sp Catherine C STEWART (1843-1883) md About 1858 ---3--Newell W PATE (Oct 1859-14 Jan 1942) ---sp Candis Elizabeth ALEXANDER (Oct 1862) md 4 May 1879 ---3--John Wiley PATE (7 Jan 1864-1944) --- sp Sarah KORNEGAY (Feb 1866) md About 1886 ---3--Artimissa Jane PATE (About 1868-12 Mar 1942) ---sp James Franklin WALKER (About 1867) md 19 Sep 1883 ---sp J D HAGER (About 1867) ---3--James Andrew "Jim" PATE (11 Oct 1871) ---sp Olga TREBBLE (Dec 1880) md 18 Jul 1896 ---3--William Thomas "Billy" PATE (Jun 1875-1947) ---sp Safronia Elizabeth "Betty" ALLEN (Mar 1881) md 5 Jun 1896 ---3--Joseph Warren "Cody" PATE (23 Apr 1878-15 Nov 1967) ---sp Sarah Louiza "Eliza" ALLEN (5 Feb 1874-15 Dec 1948) md 24 Dec 1896 --2--Thomas Benjamin "Tom" PATE (10 Apr 1835-25 Feb 1924) --sp Mary Ann "Mitsy" SHAVER (1 Mar 1841-22 Oct 1917)md About 1856 ---3--Harriett F PATE (30 Mar 1857) ---sp Henry Harvey BENNETT (About 1855) ---3--M P PATE (20 Jan 1859) ---3--Joseph Newell "Joe" PATE (20 Oct 1861-28 Sep 1930) ---sp Cynthia Ann WORLEY (14 Feb 1862-20 Aug 1913) md 26 Nov 1879 ---sp W Frances (??)-PATE (1890) md About 1913 ---3--Almeda PATE (28 Oct 1863) ---3--William Thomas PATE (18 Aug 1868-1958) ---sp Mary Frances "Fannie" SHIREY (21 Mar 1872-1940) md 19 Oct 1887 ---3--Lewis Turner PATE (12 Mar 1870) ---sp Amanda J SHIREY (Apr 1874) md 18 Dec 1890 ---3--John Benjamin PATE (1 Mar 1872) ---sp Elizabeth "Lizzie" SHIREY-RILEY (Feb 1878) md 26 Mar 1895 ---3--Riley A PATE (12 Jun 1874) ---sp Lettie Ann SHIREY (Jan 1876) md 11 Dec 1895 ---3--Ariele Catherine "Arie" PATE (11 Mar 1876) ---sp John J BYRUM (1866) md 28 Dec 1892 ---3--Mitty Ann PATE (17 Jul 1882) ---sp Tom JONES (About 1880) md 13 May 1899 --2--Albert Charles PATE (1837) --sp Harriett (??)-PATE (About 1842)md About 1860 --2--John M PATE (1839-About 1876/1880) --sp Harriett BROWN (About 1843) md 7 Jul 1859 ---3--Memory J PATE (Jun 1866) ---3--Stonewall Jackson PATE (13 Jul 1870-29 Jun 1923) ---sp Susan Atta Rebecca POTTS (10 Feb 1872-3 Oct 1957)md 24 Aug 1887 ---sp Sarah E "Sally" KUYKENDAL (1848)md 12 Sep 1869 ---3--John M PATE (1873) ---3--Sydney PATE (1876) --2--Mary E PATE (1843) --sp David S BROWN (About 1841)md 30 Jun 1859 --2--Martha PATE (1845) --sp Herbert JACKSON (Estimated 1843) THIS IS STRICTLY A THEORY - but I think Newell W Pate (1811) and Gilbert G Pate (1814) See Chart AL25.3, must be brothers. The family names are similar - Newell W Pate named his first son, Gilbert; and Gilbert G Pate named his first son, Newell Pate; Newell W Pate was in 1830 Tuscaloosa Co, AL; 1840 Pickens Co, AL and 1850 Itawamba Co, MS; Most of his children moved on to Henderson, Houston and Anderson Cos, TX End