Joel, Sorry it has been so long in responding. I have been on vacation for close to a month. Are you the Joel who is the expert on our Pate genealogy along with Jinks Pate Lee? I would love to share our families genealogy. Do I use a certain or special program to do it. Please let me know. I'd be glad to work on it and share everything I know. Thanks Bud Duane Pate, SLC, Ut