Joel - I have the following on W C N Pate marriages DeSoto Par, LA - Md 18 Oct 1847 Bk A, p 42; W C N Pate & Malana Hatcher Attest: H H Womack and J B Camp Van Zandt Co, TX - Md 30 Jul 1874 Bk B, p 339; W C N Pate & Mrs Caroline Monk I have been to the Smith Co and Van Zandt Co, TX Courthouses, but found no marriage record for W C N & Winnie - I wonder if she could have been a relative keeping house for him after Malana died??? But that does leave the question of who Joseph Pate's (b. 1871) mother was. Jinks