Sharon: Johnie Tipps b TX was age 17 not 14 in the 1880 census If there are other names, such as witnesses, bondsmen and officiant, on the marriage license/certificate it would be helpful to know them. If you accept the 1870 Navarro Co TX enumeration of the J P Pate family as containing Amanda Pate and Joseph Fitzgerald Pate you will note that there is not a female child listed that corresponds to Johnie Ella Pate, who would have been age 7. There is a female, S. E. Pate age 8, younger than Amanda and older than J F Pate, a male age 3. This S E Pate was born in 1862, which corresponds with Sarah E Pate b 5 Jan 1862. The 1880 census enumeration was recorded July 1, 1880. Any person born Jan 1862 would have achieved their 18th birthdate and should have reported age 18 for the enumeration. It is difficult to line up enough facts to assert that Sarah E Pate is the same person as Johnie Ella Pate. Peter Tipps et ux were at site 422/422 in Grayson Co in 1880 Amanda J. Pate was at site 433/433 in Grayson Co in 1880 Jacob Tipps age 65 b TN was at site 431/431. I suspect that Peter Tipps was a son of Jacob Where was Peter Tipps in 1870? What became of Sarah E Pate b 1862? Could you publish or republish the list of children in the bible record that contains Joseph Fitzgerald Pate? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Fitzpatrick" <sharon.fitz@sbcglobal.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Johnie Ella PATE m. Peter G. TIPPS - 11 Sep 1879 > I recently received an email of inquiry from a woman researhing the > TIPPS line. She says "My line of research is for Johnie Ella Pate born > about 1863, died before 1894. Married to Peter G. Tipps on 11 Sep 1879 > in Grayson Co. TX. I have a copy of the marriage license." > > She wanted to know if "Johnie" was a sibling to Amanda and Joseph > Francis PATE (my husband's line). They were all living in Precinct 7, > Grayson County, TX in 1880 and were all born in Texas. Amanda was > living with an aunt (Frances Harris Fitzgerald) and Joseph was living as > an adopted son of Robert Harris. I have a birth listing from a Family > Bible that shows that Amanda and Joseph Francis had a sister, Sarah E., > born on January 5, 1862. So, it appears that she (Sarah)would have been > older than the 14 year old Johnie Ella TIPPS listed on the 1880 census. > > Does anyone have a Johnie Ella PATE listed? > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > Sharon > > > >