Hi John - and good to hear from you - you've been quiet lately -- Just a note on John Pate who md Emma Elizabeth Griswold, he is John Marion Pate - he is listed in the 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920 census as John M Pate - John Fletcher Pate was his father. Also found a little info on the John Layden Pate md Missouri Bumgarner - he was b. PA and father was b. ENGLAND John Luther Pate appears to be his son. Jinks