Joel and all, I found the following on the LDS site. Please note that these are submitted by patrons and not verified - they can easily contain errors. As you may see by entry #1, researchers sometimes just submit a guess, based on other records, of when and where a marriage may have taken place. However, they can sometimes provide useful clues as to where (or when) to search for a record. Whenever possible, primary source records should always be used to corroborate - or discount - submitted data. I hope some of these are of use. According to the International Genealogical Index for North America: #1 - John PATE (b. ca. 1764 [another entry says b. 1760 Abingdon, Glouster Co, GA!] m. ca. 1787 Union City, New Haven Co, CT [another entry says m. ca. 1785 Abingdon, Glouster Co, VA] to Esther [another entry says Esther Hester] GREEN (b. ca. 1768) John PATE (b. ca. 1762) m. ca. 1791 Troy, Rensselaer Co, NY to Esther GREENE (b. ca. 1766) [another entry says Esther or Hester GREEN, b. ca. 1770] [another variation shows John PACHT or PATE, m. ca. 1793 at same place to Esther GREEN] John PATE m. ca. 1825 Hamilton, Madison Co, NY to Ester GREEN (b. ca. 1772) John PIET m. 26 FEB 1765 Church Of Christ, Salem, Westchester Co, NY, to Jemimah GREEN [apparently a different couple] #2 - Modena PEACE m. 31 DEC 1890 to in Franklin Co, AL, to James M. PACE [didn't find a marriage to PATE] #3 - John PATE, Sr. (b. ca. 1801) m. 19 APR 1836 in Chambers Co, AL, to Evelina BATES (b. ca. 1815) [didn't find another instance of a John or J. PATE m. to a BATES, nor instance of an Eva BATES m. to PATE] #4 - [didn't find a John or J. PATE m. to a FRENCH] #5 - John Layden PATE (b. 02 JUL 1846 Pittsburgh, Allegeney Co, PA) m. 11 JUL 1875 in Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS, to Missouri Arizona BUMGARNER (b. 07 MAR 1859 Wayne Co, IA) #6 - John Luther PATE (b. 14 FEB 1878 Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS), m. ca. 1900 in Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS, to Nancy Winnifred NEWMAN (b. ca. 1880 Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS) #7 - John Fletcher [sic - not Marion] PATE (30 SEP 1819 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN-01 NOV 1885) m. ca. 1844 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN to Elizabeth Emma GRISWOLD (b. ca. 1823 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN) #8 - [didn't find a John or J. PATE m. to KNOWLTON] By the way, the search engine for the LDS Family History site, which inlcudes a searchable 1880 census for the entire U.S., is located at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp John Mallory Land McKinney, TX