I read with curiosity the recent posting about Oscar Pate and James Madison Pate. I have a James Madison Pate born 24 Nov 1890 in Sumiton AL the son of Thomas and Telitha Abbott-Pate. Thomas Pate, born 21 January 1871 in Robinson Springs, Elmore County AL, was the son of Emmanuel C. Pate. Emmanuel C. Pate, born ca 1821 TN, was the son of a Jeremiah and Lucinda Pate. This Jeremiah, by family lore, is to have been one of seven brothers and been very well off. This Lucinda is said to be Jeremiah's cousin by birth. Could it be just coincidence that my James M. Pate is named James MADISON Pate, or could this be some remote hint of a connection to the James Madison Pate in the recent postings on the Pate Forum??? Or, is it more likely this was this just a common name for that day???? I've been at a brick wall with my "Jeremiah" for some time now. I would appreciate any one's input who may have stumbled onto anything relating to my lineage. Karen in California