Joel I have found a problem that I can't understand nor solve regarding this William B. Pate. He is found the the 1880 census living in Stephens County Texas, Prect 8, ED 172 living with his wife at that time named Susan. He is 29 and Susan is 28. They appear at the bottom of the page and the page that follows lists three children that appear to be a continuation from the household of William B. Page except that have the last name of Carral/Carrol. There ages appear to be well within the range of ages that could indicated there were the children of Susan. These children appear on page 33B. This is the William B. Pate who had a sister Josephine Johannah Pate. Johannah was married to Virgil Stewart Maddox and this family appears just above the William B. Pate. The child that is listed with Virgil Maddox is Nora and she is from a prior marriage and her mother is dead. Also it seems that William and Johannah stayed in touch and for the most part lived near one another. She is buried in the Springer Cemetery along with her husband Virgil Steward but I have not found the grave for William B.Pate. Do you have any clues that might help. One other item, I am seeing the maiden name of the mother of William B and Josephine as Love and that is not true. She was married to a Daniel Love. in Illinois. In fact she had several husbands. Would appreciate your help. ellen -------------- Original message from "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com>: -------------- > Karen: > George Washington Pate > Thomas Jefferson Pate > James Madison Pate > Andrew Jackson Pate > Grover Cleveland Pate > {I can even find you one John Quincy Adams Pate) > Our Pate ancestors honored our Presidents by naming their children after > them. Our ancestors also honored American patriots, military leaders and > heroes as well as statesmen by naming children after them > Henry Clay Pate > Benjamin Franklin Pate > Nathanael Greene Pate > Jefferson Davis Pate > Nancy Hart Pate > Freeman Walker Pate > Sam Houston Pate > Stonewall Jackson Pate (Thomas Jonathan Jackson) > Robert Edward Lee Pate. > > And then there are the biblical names- > Isaac Pate > Jacob Pate > Jeremiah Pate > Zachariah Pate > Solomon Pate > Jesse Pate > Gabriel Pate > Gideon Pate > Shadrack Pate > Ablemlic Pate > Elijah Pate > > I suspect that the two men named James Madison Pate, one born 24 Nov 1890 > and one born 8 Mar 1800 were not directly related and were coincidentally > named the same. > > Keep digging and sharing. > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Borden" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:46 PM > Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Oscar Pate and James Madison Pate > > > > > > I read with curiosity the recent posting about Oscar Pate and James > Madison Pate. > > > > I have a James Madison Pate born 24 Nov 1890 in Sumiton AL the son of > Thomas and Telitha Abbott-Pate. > > > > Thomas Pate, born 21 January 1871 in Robinson Springs, Elmore County AL, > was the son of Emmanuel C. Pate. > > > > Emmanuel C. Pate, born ca 1821 TN, was the son of a Jeremiah and Lucinda > Pate. This Jeremiah, by family lore, is to have been one of seven brothers > and been very well off. This Lucinda is said to be Jeremiah's cousin by > birth. > > > > Could it be just coincidence that my James M. Pate is named James > MADISON Pate, or could this be some remote hint of a connection to the James > Madison Pate in the recent postings on the Pate Forum??? Or, is it more > likely this was this just a common name for that day???? > > > > I've been at a brick wall with my "Jeremiah" for some time now. I would > appreciate any one's input who may have stumbled onto anything relating to > my lineage. > > > > Karen in California > > > > >