>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: Shadrack Pate who had a son named Willoughby Pate, who had a son named Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named William Nelson Pate who had a son named Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. comes this question: "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. Source 1: "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland and Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" by Julia Claire Pate, 1958. Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: Willoughby Pate Samuel Pate Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) Thoroughgood Pate II" Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. Source 2: "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This document is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript of page 11 follows: Start "11 The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of the data on Shadrack. Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area known as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived near the creek known as the Slough. The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written 24May1837 (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He named his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to the son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named Rebecca and Mary. Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. There is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all children. The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's will only a year earlier. The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four occasions. Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. One, and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the 1810 Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were separated by some distance. His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would be for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his daughters were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." End In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. Joel

This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is through the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins and my line is from the twin Martin Pate. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: Shadrack Pate who had a son named Willoughby Pate, who had a son named Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named William Nelson Pate who had a son named Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. comes this question: "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. Source 1: "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland and Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" by Julia Claire Pate, 1958. Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: Willoughby Pate Samuel Pate Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) Thoroughgood Pate II" Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. Source 2: "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This document is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript of page 11 follows: Start "11 The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of the data on Shadrack. Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area known as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived near the creek known as the Slough. The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written 24May1837 (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He named his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to the son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named Rebecca and Mary. Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. There is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all children. The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's will only a year earlier. The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four occasions. Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. One, and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the 1810 Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were separated by some distance. His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would be for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his daughters were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." End In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. Joel