Hi Joel, Good to see you back with us. Yes, Virginia "Virgie" Viola Cullins Pate was wife of John Robert Pate, who was son of Bird and Susan Hankins Pate. Several years ago, I obtained these obituaries on the Bird and Susan Hankins Pate's family from Mr. McGarr in Weleetka. For years, Mr. McGarr and his wife scoured newspaper archives both locally and in Oklahoma City, OK, for obituaries of Okfuskee Co., OK, residents and probably for others, also. He was kind enough to share obituaries of both sides of Bill's birth family. At the time I thought Mr. McGarr was being coy with me since what I really wanted was an obituary on Wm. D. Pate, giving us a death date. Apparently there is no obituary for him. When he died in 1951 there may have been no one still alive in the family close enough to him to care. His death certificate, which we recently obtained, states he was shipped back to Weleetka for burial and he is listed as "Bill Pate" in the cemetery records. The one really surprising statement was in Susan Hankins Pate's obituary stating she had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Even Jinks didn't know about the 3rd son. Perhaps it was a still-born or died young. Bird Pate was still living and perhaps gave the obituary information. Thanks for the comments. Sometimes the obits don't give enough information. Sometimes obituaries are a goldmine of information and sometimes they are wrong. I made several vital errors in my own mother's obituary. Once out, difficult to correct. Hope you are recovering well and taking it slow. We need your insight and input. Nita -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [PATE] Obituary - Virgie Viola Pate b. 1881, d. 1957 Nita Perhaps she was Virginia Viola Cullins "Virgie" Pate b Jan 1881, wife of John Robert Pate who was b 4 July 1880. Her name shows on 12 Sep, 1918 WWI draft card. Joel On 8/16/2010 1:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Pioneer Weleetka Woman, Mrs. Virgie Pate, Dies Tuesday > > A pioneer resident of Weleetka for 50 years died Tuesday in the Okfuskee Memorial hospital. She was Mrs. Virgie Viola Pate, 76, who died following a heart attack and stroke. > > Services were Wednesday at 10 a.m. in the Free Will Baptist church with Rev. E. A. Spiller officiating. Mrs. Pate was a member of the First Baptist church. > > She was born in January, 1881, in Jamestown, Ark. > > Survivors include only a grandson, Robert Pate, and a granddaughter Mrs. Bill Kale of Edmond and two brothers, Elms (Elmo?) Cullins of Newport, Ark, and John of Bateville, Ark. > > Burial was in the Weleetka cemetery under the direction of the Spiller funeral home. > > Nita's note: Mrs. Bill Kale apparently was Phyllis. > > > > > -------------------------------P > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen Nita.? We do need him.? He just don't know how much. -----Original Message----- From: n5bry &lt;[email protected]&gt; To: pate &lt;[email protected]&gt; Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [PATE] Obituary - Virgie Viola Pate b. 1881, d. 1957 Hi Joel, Good to see you back with us. Yes, Virginia "Virgie" Viola Cullins Pate was wife of John Robert Pate, who was son of Bird and Susan Hankins Pate. Several years ago, I obtained these obituaries on the Bird and Susan Hankins Pate's family from Mr. McGarr in Weleetka. For years, Mr. McGarr and his wife scoured newspaper archives both locally and in Oklahoma City, OK, for obituaries of Okfuskee Co., OK, residents and probably for others, also. He was kind enough to share obituaries of both sides of Bill's birth family. At the time I thought Mr. McGarr was being coy with me since what I really wanted was an obituary on Wm. D. Pate, giving us a death date. Apparently there is no obituary for him. When he died in 1951 there may have been no one still alive in the family close enough to him to care. His death certificate, which we recently obtained, states he was shipped back to Weleetka for burial and he is listed as "Bill Pate" in the cemetery records. The one really surprising statement was in Susan Hankins Pate's obituary stating she had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Even Jinks didn't know about the 3rd son. Perhaps it was a still-born or died young. Bird Pate was still living and perhaps gave the obituary information. Thanks for the comments. Sometimes the obits don't give enough information. Sometimes obituaries are a goldmine of information and sometimes they are wrong. I made several vital errors in my own mother's obituary. Once out, difficult to correct. Hope you are recovering well and taking it slow. We need your insight and input. Nita -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate &lt;[email protected]&gt; To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [PATE] Obituary - Virgie Viola Pate b. 1881, d. 1957 Nita Perhaps she was Virginia Viola Cullins "Virgie" Pate b Jan 1881, wife of John Robert Pate who was b 4 July 1880. Her name shows on 12 Sep, 1918 WWI draft card. Joel On 8/16/2010 1:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pioneer Weleetka Woman, Mrs. Virgie Pate, Dies Tuesday &gt; &gt; A pioneer resident of Weleetka for 50 years died Tuesday in the Okfuskee Memorial hospital. She was Mrs. Virgie Viola Pate, 76, who died following a heart attack and stroke. &gt; &gt; Services were Wednesday at 10 a.m. in the Free Will Baptist church with Rev. E. A. Spiller officiating. Mrs. Pate was a member of the First Baptist church. &gt; &gt; She was born in January, 1881, in Jamestown, Ark. &gt; &gt; Survivors include only a grandson, Robert Pate, and a granddaughter Mrs. Bill Kale of Edmond and two brothers, Elms (Elmo?) Cullins of Newport, Ark, and John of Bateville, Ark. &gt; &gt; Burial was in the Weleetka cemetery under the direction of the Spiller funeral home. &gt; &gt; Nita's note: Mrs. Bill Kale apparently was Phyllis. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -------------------------------P &gt; To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message &gt; &gt; &gt; -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message