Jerry, You asked about Danny Pate who races in the Tour de France. He is certainly a potential honoree, but see one of our guidelines below (which were published on the Listserve): "No living persons would be considered until after their careers (as the sources of their fame) were completed for athletes and entertainers, or until after retirement from active participation in any other profession." Strangely enough, the initial posting about the committee preparing a list of "Famous Pate's" seemed to generate little interest on the Listserve. Now that the list has been finalized, the interest level has risen. That's good because the object of the list, as explained, was to generate interest in our Pate family, hopefully leading to increased membership in our Pate DNA Project, more research on some of the persons listed, and more participation on this Listserve. The list is not permanently closed, since there are a number of living persons who could qualify under all the guidelines with the exception of the one quoted above. As Joel noted, and as I have noted in several postings to the Listserve, he, Troy Pate, and I formed the committee which prepared the final list. Joel was the person who first mentioned Henry Clay Pate, and after much discussion, we declined to add him to the list. There were a number of other people we considered, very respected and worthy persons, whom we did not add to the list, because we felt there should be a very high bar for inclusion as noted by our guidelines. We briefly entertained the idea of including some people who were famous only for being infamous. We quickly dismissed that idea, believing that we should honor only the best of our family, not the worst. One interesting person who would make any infamous list was a Robert Pate, who clobbered Queen Victoria with his cane. A military officer, he came from a very wealthy and distinguished family. I don't believe a reasonable answer was ever discovered for his motivation. After serving his time in exile, he became a very wealthy man. Here's more about this man and his bizarre action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pate Here are some Pate's who are living examples of the truth of the saying that "Evil companions corrupt good morals." On these links, do a search for the name Pate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeCicco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bilotti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Orena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Sessa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Persico I hope I don't get kneecapped (or worse) for posting these links. A. J. Pate ___________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:23:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Gerald Pait" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Henry Clay Pate To: "Joel Pate" <[email protected]> I agree. He could be considered famous but from everything I have found, he is NOT a hero the family could be proud of. He was a very vindictive man, was not thought highly of by his peers and it wasn't until the last battle he fought in did Jeb Stuart decide he was a good soldier. Obviously, he is in our family history, but I do not support placing him in the same company as famous Pates. Maybe a new category of infamous Pates. I would like to ask if the young man who raced in the Tour de France is included on our list? Jerry Pait

"One interesting person who would make any infamous list was a Robert Pate, who clobbered Queen Victoria with his cane." I bet if we could get a dna sample from his line I would find out I am related. LOL :) Dan (Benjamin Pate (circa dob 1776 NC)) ----- Original Message ----- From: AJ <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PATE] Famous Pate's -- miscellanea Jerry, You asked about Danny Pate who races in the Tour de France. He is certainly a potential honoree, but see one of our guidelines below (which were published on the Listserve): "No living persons would be considered until after their careers (as the sources of their fame) were completed for athletes and entertainers, or until after retirement from active participation in any other profession." Strangely enough, the initial posting about the committee preparing a list of "Famous Pate's" seemed to generate little interest on the Listserve. Now that the list has been finalized, the interest level has risen. That's good because the object of the list, as explained, was to generate interest in our Pate family, hopefully leading to increased membership in our Pate DNA Project, more research on some of the persons listed, and more participation on this Listserve. The list is not permanently closed, since there are a number of living persons who could qualify under all the guidelines with the exception of the one quoted above. As Joel noted, and as I have noted in several postings to the Listserve, he, Troy Pate, and I formed the committee which prepared the final list. Joel was the person who first mentioned Henry Clay Pate, and after much discussion, we declined to add him to the list. There were a number of other people we considered, very respected and worthy persons, whom we did not add to the list, because we felt there should be a very high bar for inclusion as noted by our guidelines. We briefly entertained the idea of including some people who were famous only for being infamous. We quickly dismissed that idea, believing that we should honor only the best of our family, not the worst. One interesting person who would make any infamous list was a Robert Pate, who clobbered Queen Victoria with his cane. A military officer, he came from a very wealthy and distinguished family. I don't believe a reasonable answer was ever discovered for his motivation. After serving his time in exile, he became a very wealthy man. Here's more about this man and his bizarre action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pate Here are some Pate's who are living examples of the truth of the saying that "Evil companions corrupt good morals." On these links, do a search for the name Pate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeCicco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bilotti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Orena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Sessa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Persico I hope I don't get kneecapped (or worse) for posting these links. A. J. Pate ___________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:23:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Gerald Pait" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Henry Clay Pate To: "Joel Pate" <[email protected]> I agree. He could be considered famous but from everything I have found, he is NOT a hero the family could be proud of. He was a very vindictive man, was not thought highly of by his peers and it wasn't until the last battle he fought in did Jeb Stuart decide he was a good soldier. Obviously, he is in our family history, but I do not support placing him in the same company as famous Pates. Maybe a new category of infamous Pates. I would like to ask if the young man who raced in the Tour de France is included on our list? Jerry Pait ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message