B. Carter Pate, You are a wealth of information. I am certain that others on this list have benefited from your recent informative postings. I know I have and I appreciate your taking the time to post the long explanation/insight into the anthropology side of this Native American conundrum. I took the liberty of forwarding your comments along to my Taylor cousins, also. Learning the history of who/how/why expands our understanding of those who preceded us. I really appreciate the attention to detail and sharing of information that many on this list have provided all these years. 'Those like Bill and me, coming late to the Pate research, would have no knowledge about Bill's lineage without the many on this listserve who took us in and provided so much older research that we didn't have to retrieve. Couldn't have done it, in fact. I subscribe to several surname lists but this Pate list has the best posts and the most diverse population of participants - always willing to share their knowledge and their research whether their lineage was the same or not - Pate is a Pate, DNA match or not. Thanks one and all. Nita and Bill Fry -----Original Message----- From: B. Carter Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [PATE] Native American Ancestor designation on US Censuses Many southeastern NAs sometimes built over a grave a small houselike edifice, such as might be pictured on the gravestone you describe. Yours would be later, reflecting greater assimilation. I believe this was done among the Cherokees. B. Carter Pate On Jul 14, 2010, at 2:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Good idea and we had considered it but we already knew that this > family was from very early NC Cherokee - which ever side of the > early family it came from - male or female. The connection had > already been made before moving on to TN, to MO and then to TX. > Some stayed in MO or moved on further west. None were in the Trail > of Tears or similar displacement. > > To our knowledge, no one seriously tried to followup on the > enrollment in the OK Territory Cherokee Nation since that wasn't > the group they came from and in TX, they moved to a very isolated > area in Edwards Co., TX, and stayed there for several generations. > Also, we didn't have an Indian name to refer to. > > How much is actually fact and how much family lore, don't know but > at least 4 generations have carried the story forward - just don't > have enough really early information to tie it together. Our > cousin made a dedicated trip to MO to check out the male side of > the family that is supposed to be our connection and they deny > Indian connection although it is all over the internet that that > family's researchers do claim the early male was the Indian. Who > knows. > > Not a burning issue for me. I believe one side or the other was of > Indian extraction generations back. Many of us carry the slightly > darker skin and some Indian facial features. Great Great > Grandmother definitely looked Indian as did her mother. The > headstone certainly suggests she was born in a tepee, went on to a > log house then to Heaven (the church + steeple), > > Thanks for the advice. > > Nita Fry > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:01 pm > Subject: Re: [PATE] Native American Ancestor designation on US > Censuses > > > Have you ever tried to make contact with the Cherokee Nation's > tribe in > > Tahlequah Oklahoma.? (The Capitol of the Cherokee Nation) also the > > Historical Museum in Ohlahoma City has a fabulous collection of Indian > > records which also includes those who tried to claim Indian blood but > > were refused enrollment. Just a thought. ellen > > > > > >> I am going to throw out a few thoughts on Native American Ancestors. > >> > >> For generations we have thought our ggg grandmother was a Cherokee >> Indian. > >> We recently tested the mtDNA of 2 eligible persons in our line >> and the > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message