That is very frustrating Laurie.? Also frustrating is when a couple have a child that? died and then names the next one born after that one the same thing.? You wonder why there is so much difference on the census of the ages.? Then you blame it on the census taker.? Then in the next census there is another one only born two years after the second one.? They keep naming a child by the same name as the first one until they get a child by that name to live.? But if you ever find the cemetery where the first and second are buried then you know that is what is happened because there is two by that name buried and the name is engraved with two years between them.? I have only found this one time in one of my families (not Pate), but I know three other people that found the same thing in their family.? Strange people we are trying to locate and prove they are theirs. Clovis Byars Herring (Daniel Pate b. 1812 NC, Thor group) -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> To: pate <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [PATE] OBIT ~ Matthew J Pate 1938 Wilson NC HI.Nicknames not only refer to standard changes like John to Jack . In central New South Wales Australia early 1900`s we have 3 boys who were given sensible names like Stephen William, but were always known as Tom-Dick and Harry and what`s more frustrating they were married as Tom-Dick and Harry and entered as such on some of their children`s birth certificates . Family history can be frustrating . Laurie whose wife descended from The Pates from Scotland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PATE Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 7:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] OBIT ~ Matthew J Pate 1938 Wilson NC I had a good friend who was nicknamed Jack (why, I don't know). His given name was Gordon. On the other hand, my uncle, John Calvin Smith III was nicknamed Jack. Another uncle whose given name was Gordon was nicknamed Pete. Go figure. Bill Pate ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message