Just a very brief comment on your message to Johnette. There is much more I could say, but won't. The Listserve should not be bogged down in debate, rebuttals, and re-rebuttals. Any such discussions should be continued by private email, if at all, which in this case I have no further interest in doing. Since you chose to post your comments publicly rather than privately to me, I was compelled to respond in public, though no further. It is highly regrettable that you received any "hate mail", which I would be very surprised if it came from any subscriber to this Listserve. In any case, since you addressed Johnette directly and me indirectly in your last email, it would have been good form to state clearly that you had received no "hate mail" from either one of us. Inferences could have been drawn otherwise. Moving on . . . . If you know any "genuine" Pate researchers in England, we could sure use their help. At the end of my paper on Sir John Pate, I noted a number of issues and related documents, which, through diligent research in England, could provide very valuable genealogical information about the several Pate family lines in England 1500-1700 and their relationships with the Pate's who emigrated to colonial Virginia in the 1600s. It is difficult to imagine a genuine Pate researcher living in England, where these critical documents are located, not having great interest and eagerness in digging out those elusive records. Personally, I have seen no evidence of engagement by any Pate's in England, but their involvement would certainly be welcomed, and maybe essential for ever solving some of our open questions. Over the years, I have posted a number of inquiries on various British boards and forums, and never received a single response. We only have one member of the Pate DNA Project from England, out of the over 130 total membership. Their DNA could be very informative in connecting to the Pate families in America, especially if they also had family genealogies dating back to at least 1700. We would welcome a tidal wave of new members from England and the former British colonies. A. J. Pate