According to my records, which are always subject to correction, especially the dates, I have Allen Pate as a son of Samuel Pate, 1725 NC - 1810 SC, and a brother of the much-discussed Rev. William Pate. Samuel was a son of Charles Pate, 1690 NC - 1769 NC, and grandson of Thoroughgood Pate, c. 1640 England - 1713 NC. Samuel Pate is believed to have had six sons, and two of them are represented in the Pate DNA Project, Bennett and Rev. William. We would like to have a descendant of Allen Pate to join the Project to represent that family line. In 1840, Allen Pate bought 80 acres of land with his patent issued by the Tuscaloosa office. He was described as "Allen Pate of Bibb County". My roots are pretty deep in Alabama. I've probably posted most of this before, but will post it again since we're discussing Alabama genealogy in hope that a new subscriber may have some new information.. My greatgreat-grandfather was Newell Walton Pate. I have been unable to determine who his father was. He was born in Georgia c. 1811, and came to Alabama after 1820. He married Harriett Brown in Tuscaloosa in 1829 at age 18 or 19. He was the second Pate to buy land in Tuscaloosa after Charles Pate (died 1837), and when he bought his first land, Charles went with him and bought land on the same day. Newell bought two patents, which was unusual for a first purchase (especially since Newell was only in his early 20s), while Charles was buying three patents. In Tuscaloosa, there were two other Pate men, Thomas and William. They even bought a land patent as joint owners. There is also a Rev. William who died in Pickens County in 1841 (not the Rev. William of Georgia). There are Thomases all over the place. There was a Thomas Pate who showed up in Alabama in the 1830s and lived near Newell, Gilbert, and Lewis in Pickens County. He was born about 1760. I have been unable to pin down exactly who he was. Some speculate he was father of Newell, but he was old enough to be Newell's grandfather, and little or no proof is offered beyond the fact that they lived near each other. These Pate's, in Pickens County Alabama in the 1830-40s, owned land close together. I named them the Bear Creek Pate's: Lewis R., Newell W., Gilbert G., Thomas, and William. All had land along the banks of Bear Creek. Newell and Gilbert G. named their first sons after each other. Newell, Gilbert, and Lewis all moved to Mississippi together and bought land. Lewis moved on to Arkansas, Gilbert went back to Alabama where he died, and Newell came to Henderson County,Texas in 1851 (died c. 1855). Newell named his second son, Thomas Benjamin Pate (b. 1835), my great-grandfather. Some have cited this as proof that the Alabama Thomas was Newell's father. However, following traditional naming patterns, he could have been named after his maternal grandfather, Thomas Brown, father of Harriett Brown. Thanks, Janice, for posting this link. A. J. Pate ____________________________________________ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Janice Marler <[email protected]> Subject: [PATE] Alabama Pioneers I saw on another site that there is great information to be found at alabamapioneers.com. I found a gedcom file there for Allen Pate b. 1776 NC d. bef. 1860 Bibb Co., AL.