You can tell I am babysitting my grandson again - I always forget when using my daughter's computer to change over to AOL. Sorry for the confusion. Very interesting, John, thanks for the lesson! There are many cross-references in my own Pate (maternal side) of the family with the name 'McLauren' - so could that also be part of that same Scottish Clan? Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [PATE] British Coat of Arms This issue comes up from time to time and I provide the link to the British College of Arms. This is the government website that governs Arms. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Arms are not granted to Families, but to individuals. As such, there is NO Pate Family Coat of Arms. There are many websites that display Arms, which are associated with surnames. This is one: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/pate-family-crest.htm I do not recommend this site, just included it as an example. If you're feeling Scottish, there is a Scottish Clan, MacLabhruinn or MacLaren, that includes the Pate or Patrick surname: http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clan_maclaren/ Again, I'm not recommending this website, but I find it an interesting read. I joined Clan Gunn, based upon my parents surnames. Both Robinson and Wilson are seps of Clan Gunn. Any Pate or Pate descendant would be considered for membership in Clan MacLabhruinn. It would also be proper to wear the clan badge and tartan. This is the Clan MacLaren Society of North America: http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/ I would rather be a Scottish Warrior than a British Lord. Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Either peace or war) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message