A Beck cousin just pointed out to me that there is a land grant for Thomas and William Pate in Tuscaloosa, on March 30, 1837 for 159.6 acres. The deed mentions that the land is held in common and not as joint tenancy. Apparently this is the land on which the Pate cemetery is located: SW 23, 21S. 12W. While the deed doesn't state a relationship between the two men, it seems obvious to me that Thomas and William are either brothers or father and son. It just doesn't seem logical that it would be between uncle and nephew....to me anyway. Has anyone else seen this before or have any other information on it? I'd also like to hear others thoughts on the relationship between Thomas and William. Linda

Jeremiah Pate, b. 10 Mar 1801, Warren Co, TN, d. 30 Mar 1885 md (1) Martha "Patsy" Tindell, b. c 1799, d. 1 Jan 1857 (2) Malinda A E Stewart Children: Green Pate, b. 1 Jan 1823 AL, d. 26 May 1901 md Nancy Blount William Pate, b. c 1826 md Marinda -- Jeremiah Pate, Jr, b. 1829, d. 20 Apr 1862 (Civil War) md Harriet -- Thomas S "Butch" Pate, b. 30 Oct 1830, d. 12 Jul 1897 md Charlotte Jnae Hood This family was in Dale Co, AL from 1830 to 1860; 1870 & 1900 Geneva Co, AL. Jeremiah served in the War of 1812 and applied for bounty land warrants. The widow's application shows date and place of marriages, wives maiden names and death of Jeremiah and Malinda. As I've said, sometimes these applications are a goldmine of information. Is Jeremiah Pate a brother to Isaac Pate (AL55.1)???? Jinks

Isaac Pate, b. c 1795 TN/VA? d. 29 Aug 1866, KY md Elizabeth Baker, b. c 1796 NC, d. 25 Jul 1881, MO Children: James Pate, b. c 1818 TN md Mary Nixon Mary Ann Pate, b. c 1820 md -- Parmley Jeremiah Pate, b. c 1822 md Artemia Marcum Sarah Pate, b. c 1825 md Williamson Johnson Amanda Pate, b. c 1833 md John Kinnett Cyrena Pate, b. 27 Nov 1837 KY md (1) Unknown (2) William Whittle This family was in 1830 Wayne co, KY; 1840 Clinton Co, KY; 1850 Wayne Co, KY and 1860 Russell Co, KY. Isaac served in the War of 1812 and applied for bounty land warrants. The application shows he d. 29 Aug 1866 at Jamestown, Russell Co, KY; he md 2 May 1817 in Overton Co, TN to Elizabeth Backer/Baeker; She d. 25 Jul 1881 in Joplin , MO. Jinks

William Henderson Pate, b. 19 Jun 1865, Lee Co, MS; d. 8 Jun 1956 md Idilia Elizabeth Harris, b. 10 Oct 1868, Lee Co, MS; d. 26 Dec 1948 Children: Herman Harris Pate, b. 25 Sep 1886, d. 2 Feb 1966 md Vola Esmond Hopkins Carrie Alice Pate, b. 8 Aug 1889, d. 2 Jan 1946 md Harry Eames Ollie Adele Pate, b. 5 Nov 1891, d. Jun 1956 md Charles L Emerson Eunice Pate, b. 5 Jan 1895, d. 10 Mar 1895 Eula Mae Pate, b. 7 Apr 1896, d. 14 Sep 1918 md Bert Smith Floy Pate, b. 3 Jun 1899, d. 7 Oct 1906 Purnie Pearly Pate, b. 12 Aug 1902, d. 2 Feb 1998 md Jimmie Currie Male child, b. 30 Sep 1905, d. 22 Apr 1906 Flora Cavetta Pate, b. 19 Apr 1907, d. 17 Apr 2000 md Robert W Baumgartner James William Pate, b. 8 May 1910, d. 4 Sep 1979 md Margaret Bryant This family was in 1900 Choctaw Territory, OK and 1910 LeFlore Co, OK; when William Henderson Pate md a statement with his marriage bond states he is a minor and both parents dead, has no legal guardian and Ila Harris' parents signed for permission for them to marry. Is he the son of William H Pate and Rebecca (Washburn) Pate??? Jinks

I just ran across something that may be of interest to those working on the Dyer Co, TN Pate line -- In 1930 East Baton Rouge Par, LA Charles Q Pate age 52 b. TN/TN/TN Lada?/Lula Pate age 47 wife, b. TN/TN/TN C L Pate age 14, son TN/TN/TN Stephen M Pate age 24, nephew, b. TN/TN/TN In the 1920 Dyer Co, TN census this same family is listed and Stephen M Pate, is shown as Merrel Pate - age 14, nephew This Charles Q Pate is the son of Marcus DeLafayette Pate. Who were the parents of Stephen M Pate, does anyone know?? Since they are out of their territory, thought it might be a new clue for someone. Jinks

Jinks The Julian Pate b ca 1823 you have here is perhaps Julia Pate who married a James N Minor in Gwinnett Co GA ca 1850. Sarah Jenkins Pate was enumerated in the 1880 census of Gwinnett Co GA. See ED 118/29, PinckeyVille, 252/252, P435. Head of house is Julia MINER. Some Minor surname researchers hold that Julia Pate Minor is buried in Lawrence Co AL. See message #1 Minor forum and message #1 Pate forum at Genforum. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [PATE] Brick Walls: Isaac Lewis Pate (AL51) > Isaac Lewis Pate b. c 1784 SC, d. c 1824 > md Sarah Jenkins, b. 10 Dec 1791 SC, d. 2 Nov 1881 > > Children: > Samuel Butler Pate, b. 6 May 1820 SC > md Elizabeth "Liza" > Charles R Pate, b. 5 Jun 1821 > md (1) Emily > (2) Sarah A > Byrant Pate, b. c 1822 > Julian Pate, b. c 1823 > md -- Minor > Emeline Pate, b. c 1824 > md -- Lewis > > This family was in 1820 Sumter Co, SC; 1830 Greenville Co, > SC; 1850 Forsythe Co, GA (widow); 1860 Milton Co, GA (widow) > and in 1870 Gwinnett Co, GA, the widow was living with > B M & Mary Jenkins > > Jinks > >

Isaac Lewis Pate b. c 1784 SC, d. c 1824 md Sarah Jenkins, b. 10 Dec 1791 SC, d. 2 Nov 1881 Children: Samuel Butler Pate, b. 6 May 1820 SC md Elizabeth "Liza" Charles R Pate, b. 5 Jun 1821 md (1) Emily (2) Sarah A Byrant Pate, b. c 1822 Julian Pate, b. c 1823 md -- Minor Emeline Pate, b. c 1824 md -- Lewis This family was in 1820 Sumter Co, SC; 1830 Greenville Co, SC; 1850 Forsythe Co, GA (widow); 1860 Milton Co, GA (widow) and in 1870 Gwinnett Co, GA, the widow was living with B M & Mary Jenkins Jinks

Henderson Pate, b. Dec 1816 SC md Sarah Ann C Lane, b. 1815 GA Children: James Arnold Atchison Pate, b. 1846 GA, d. 7 Jan 1917, Hunt Co, TX md (1) Elizabeth Clemons (2) Mary Eliza "Mollie" -- Susan Elizabeth Pate, b. Jan 1849 GA, d. Aug 1913 md Walter Luther Hattaway Mary C Pate, b. 1853 GA Md Wiley B Robinson This family was in 1850 & 1860, Carroll Co, GA; 1870 Campbell Co, GA; 1880 Carroll Co, GA and 1900 the widower was living in Campbell Co, GA Who were Henderson Pate's parents??? Jinks

Hello my friends, All of you who have an interest, please start sending all mail to "horace@peele.info" instead of horace@peele.com or hpeele@txdirect.net or any other that you may have had.... Also I have moved my web site to www.peele.info. Horace

Jinks, The small entry in the court record of Dyer Co seems clear that Mathew is declaring himself to be the son , Polly Miller (mentioned as the wife of Wm Miller), as the daughter as two of the eight children of Stephen D Pate. It says that Stephen is of Dyer (and Margaret reminds me that Dyer is a town in Gibson Co) and although this is a Dyer Co Record, since it does not say Dyer Co but "Dyer" it probably means the town of Dyer. I have seen the original and entire record of the Dyer Co entry. It is the one I copied and placed on the net. It seems to refer to a previous document but the intent is clear that Stephen D. Pate is the father and Mathew and Mrs. Miller are two of the eight children. I believe that Mathew is trying to establish clear inheritance lines. This may be important since several of the original 1830 Dyer Co Pates are no longer living. Stephen (married to Jane Milliken)before 1830, Mathew (married to Jane Milliken)@1844-50), Elizabeth Ann Pate Clark(1848) are dead by early 1850s, and AJ is not long lived. (Mathew in the suit goes to Polly's husband Wm Miller (of the original generation) and to my Col Wm A Dawson (of his own generation) as securities.) I think that the Gibson land and property might settle the question. Anyone near Dyer and Gibson who could look for us? Meredith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <dsheridan1@ec.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Elizabeth Pate 1800 Tn and Henderson Clark 1797 > Meredith - does anybody have a copy of the complete > court record you are referring to?? It's just that the few > excerpts I've seen did not to me clearly explain the relationship > of Stephen, Matthew and May Ann -- I worked for an > attorney for several years and realize how wording can > be taken in several different ways. I haven't studied it > in a while, so will have to go back and re-study it to > see what I was thinking at the time. > I just checked and most of the surrounding counties > to Dyer were formed at the same time - 1823; Gibson, > Haywood, etc - so the records would probably still > be in Dyer, if they are extant. > Wish I knew somebody in that part of the country > that could take a look for the records. I am hoping to > make a genealogy trip in the spring, thru AL, SC, VA and > TN, but don't know if I can get around to all I want to > do. > Jinks >

Carol......you have a nice name! :-) I wanted to take a moment to THANK YOU for this posting. The DAR lookup I used before was many many years ago, and private..they were a bit overtaxed on the demand they had then. It is terrific that DAR is offering this service!! I know they mostly are volunteers, too...so if you are connected, please let them know how much they are appreciated. It's a generous slice of their life they are sharing with us, and aside from a donation to the org.....a thank you to the volunteer is, I am sure, welcomed. Carol ------------------ Carol Tolley wrote: > Carol: > > On the DAR website, they have a free DAR Patriot lookup service. > (Right side of page) > > www.dar.org/natsociety/default.html > > They are very quick about answering and it is a free service. > > Carol Tolley > > > >

Carol: On the DAR website, they have a free DAR Patriot lookup service. (Right side of page) www.dar.org/natsociety/default.html They are very quick about answering and it is a free service. Carol Tolley

Hello all, I used this link 18 Nov 2002: http://members.dar.org/reviewpublic/cgi-bin/natsociety/pi_lookup.cfm?#lform Happy Hunting, Max in FL.

I am sorry, I should not have published that URL. It was provided to me through my cousin who is with DAR, and I forgot to delete it. I think you must be a member to access that webpage, but Im not sure. I realized this was probably private when I saw http://member1.dar.org ...or something like that as it was launching in email. There used to be an online volunteer who does DAR lookups without charge......it's an old website, but I will try to find it and see if it works. Get back to you later. Carol ---------------------------- S. Drowatzky wrote: >> >> > > >Is there an error in the above url? When I clicked on >it, I got an error message of "not found." This is my >line, so I am interested in viewing the page. > >Sheridan > > > >

LEGEND: Family tradition hold that prior to, or soon after, 1850 a PATE family, originally from TN, residing in MS lost several members to an disease epidemic, perhaps cholera. Lost were the father and mother and an unknown number of children. Four children survived. They were: G Henderson Pate b TN ca 1834 James Pate b TN ca 1836 Anna Pate Madison Mayberry Pate b MS ca 1853 These children were taken in by a Smith family and relocated to the White River area near Helena, Phillips Co, AR. The Smiths were millers and hired a man, perhaps named Hinkle, to build and open their mill. When Mr Hinkle moved on he took Madison Mayberry Pate with him. Anna Pate perhaps married a Mr Gwanty. G Henderson Pate and James Pate also married, but would soon die during the Civil War. They supposedly served in the same unit. FINDINGS: 1860 PHILLIPS CO AR P 407, Lewisville, site 20/21 G H PATE 26 W/M LABORER TN 1834 SUSAN PATE 24 W/F TN 1836 L E PATE 5 W/F AR 1855 JAMES PATE JR 3 W/M AR 1857 JOSEPHINE PATE 1 W/F AR 1859 ANNIE PATE 14 W/F AR 1846 JAMES PATE SR 24 W/M LABORER TN 1836 This family, in the 1860 census of Phillips Co AR is perhaps G Henderson Pate, his brother James Pate and sister Anna or Annie Pate. 1868 PHILLIPS CO AR ANNA PATE md EPHRAIM GWARTNEY in PHILLIPS Co AR 17 NOV 1868. G Henderson Pate and James Pate died during the Civil War. They supposedly were in the same unit. Specific detail of this has not yet been located, however there are service cards for HENDERSON PATE COMPANY A, 2ND ARKANSAS INFANTRY REGIMENT. J. D. PATE COMPANY C, 2ND ARKANSAS INFANTRY REGIMENT. DRUMMER. 1860 IZARD CO AR Page 492, Richmond Twsp, site 1083/1083 WM HEINKLE 69 W/M MECHANIC SC 1791 FANNY HEINKLE 34 W/F DOMESTIC TN 1826 WM R HEINKLE 31 W/M FARMER TN 1829 CATHERINE HEINKLE 14 W/F TN 1846 MADISON M PATE 11 W/M AR 1849 [Madison Mayberry Pate] 1870 IZARD CO AR Page 262, Blue Mtn, RiggsVille, site 9/9 ELIJA CHAPPEL 46 W/M FARMER SC 1824 ELIZABETH CHAPPEL 46 W/F TN 1824 WILLIAM CHAPPEL 14 W/M AR 1856 PANDA CHAPPEL 6 W/F AR 1864 JOHN F CHAPPEL 11 W/M AR 1859 M M PATE 20 W/M FARM LABOR AR 1850 [Madison Mayberry Pate] 1878 MADISON MAYBERRY PATE md 1 SARAH ELIZABETH BROWN in BELL Co TX 28 FEB 1878 [SOURCES: CENSUS 1880 BELL CO - vsutton@vvm.com ] [Phyllis Ray <Raysofsun@Lebanon.Total-web.net>] 1880 BELL CO TX Page 429A ED 7/5, site 37/37 M M PATE 27 W/M HEAD FARMER MS/MS/MS 1853 SARAH E PATE 23 W/F WIFE MD TX/GA/AR 1857 MANDA F PATE 1 W/F DAU TX/MS/TX 1879 [Madison Mayberry Pate] 1884 BELL CO TX MADISON MAYBERRY PATE md 2 LUCY CALISTA WRIGHT in BELL Co 01 FEB 1884 [SOURCES: CENSUS 1900, 1910 BELL CO - vsutton@vvm.com ] [Phyllis Ray <Raysofsun@Lebanon.Total-web.net>] 1900 BELL CO TX Page 193, ED 33/20, PRCT 7, site 379/389 MADISON M PATE 47 W/M HEAD MD FARMER MS/--/-- APR 1853 LUCY PATE 30 W/F WIFE MD 6y 2/2 MS/TN/MS OCT 1869 AMANDA PATE 21 W/F DAU TX/MS/TX DEC 1878 JESSE PATE 14 W/M SON TX/MS/TX DEC 1885 FREDERICK O PATE 5 W/M SON TX/MS/MS NOV 1894 HENRY L PATE 3 W/M SON TX/MS/MS JAN 1897 MATTHEW BUTTON 19 W/M COUS TX/AR/KY SEP 1880 [Madison Mayberry Pate] [Perhaps Henry Pate 6 Jan 1897 - 13 Feb 1979] 1910 BELL CO TX MADISON M PATE HEAD 63 W/M MS 025/012/008 LUCY PATE WIFE 40 W/F MS FRED H PATE SON 15 W/M TX HENRY L PATE SON 13 W/M TX [Madison Mayberry Pate] 1920 BELL CO TX MATTISON PATE HEAD 66 W/M MS 009/030/012/059 FREDDIE PATE SON 25 W/M TX [Madison Mayberry Pate] PLEASANT HILL CEMETERY, Bell Co TX PATE Annie 1887- [11 MAY 1887-22 JAN 1976] PATE Freddie O. 1894-1942 PATE Jesse 1885-1950 [1 DEC 1885-14 JUN 1950 PATE Jessie GILMER -1926 Inf. PATE Lucy R. 1868-1911 PATE M.M. 1853-1925 PATE Mary C. 1890-1891 PATE Sarah E. 1856-1891 PATE Velma J. 1997- Pandemics 1848-49 North America: Cholera 1849 New York - cholera 1850 Nationwide: Yellow Fever 1850-51 North America: Influenza 1851 Coles Co., Illinois cholera 1851 The Great Plains - cholera 1851 Missouri - cholera 1852 Nationwide: Yellow Fever (New Orleans: 8,000 die in summer) The mystery of the parents of Madison Mayberry Pate remains. There may be clues in the names Mayberry and Henderson. Joel

> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:35:26 -0800 > From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr@earthlink.net> > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PATE] Mathew PATE m.DABNEY; dau. Margery > PATE-HOLLOWAY b.1782VA > > Still seeking family connections for Mathew PATE b. > about > 1738 - 1750 VA; and "Anna" D'AUBIGNE/ DABNEY b. 1742 > VA > (*see IGI: Batch number: F503414, > Source Call No. 1553219-Film, Sheet 12; and other > Film Number:2034599 - (http://www.familysearch.org). > > > Matthew PATE was a Veteran of the Revolutionary > War, (1775-1783) 1st Lt., VA Militia with wife's > maiden > name: DABNEY (who applied for widow's pension). > He received 2 or 3 land grants along the > Nollichucky > River, TN for his service in the war. > > DAR Patriot Index > http://members1.dar.org/DAR/DARnet/pi/PI.cfm?Action=Full_Record&Patriot_ID=675732 > Is there an error in the above url? When I clicked on it, I got an error message of "not found." This is my line, so I am interested in viewing the page. Sheridan

Jinks, How do you read the Stephen D Pate document several ways? (It reminds me that we ought to determine who the 5 underaged children are of the Stephen Pate will , 1817 , Madison Co, Al. We know that James, Mrs Milliken and 5 underaged children are there and the widow. Meredith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <dsheridan1@ec.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Elizabeth Pate 1800 Tn and Henderson Clark 1797 > Meredith - do you have a copy of the "Court documents in 1851 showing > Mary Ann Pate & Matthew Pate are two of the eight children of Stephen > Pate, dec'd" ?? The few partial references I've seen on it could be > interpreted in different ways - I would love to see the entire doc. Where > is it recorded? > Thanks > Jinks >

Dear Jinks, The only document is the one from the Dyer Co records which seems to be an extraction from another co.Then the Dyer Minutes 1852-1856 pg 163 Mar 3, 1851 say that Stephen D. Pate is deceased leaving no will. The administrators are Wm Miller (husband of Polly), Thos J Connell and William A. Dawson (son in law of my Elizabeth Pate Clarke and my direct line) security offered $8,000. I asked the other county to do a search but they were thrown off by the line that said the late Stephen D. Pate of Dyer. They said that there was no such document. I checked all the land documents in Dyer and in the library and the quote in the records was the one that said that Mathew (who brought the suit) was one and the wife of Wm Miller (that would be Mary Ann Pate) the other, two of eight children of deceased Stephen Pate of Dyer. (Remember that Polly Pate Miller was living with James Pate in 1850.) We need someone to go into the surrounding counties to check land entries and divisions and see what portions were divided between Mathew, Mary Ann (Polly) and other heirs. (Portions of Dyer Co are now in the other counties.) It will most likely be January before I can even consider that. I think we need to consider the children living with Jane Pate in one household in 1830. Also look at the family with Mathew Pate in another home and then the third household with James Pate. The histories say 3 children are connected with Jane. Andrew Jackson Pate bn 1815, Mathew D. and E. Cain 1831. Your friend had believed that Mathew was married before he married his brother's widow and that might account for some of the children in the Jane home but why are Mathew and Jane living apart in 1830. I have been gone or had houseguests since Aug. 1. I will try to post the 1830 census and see if we can jog someone's mind. Do we know anyone who could go into the surrounding counties? Especially Gibson. Meredith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <dsheridan1@ec.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Elizabeth Pate 1800 Tn and Henderson Clark 1797 > Meredith - do you have a copy of the "Court documents in 1851 showing > Mary Ann Pate & Matthew Pate are two of the eight children of Stephen > Pate, dec'd" ?? The few partial references I've seen on it could be > interpreted in different ways - I would love to see the entire doc. Where > is it recorded? > Thanks > Jinks >

Still seeking family connections for Mathew PATE b. about 1738 - 1750 VA; and "Anna" D'AUBIGNE/ DABNEY b. 1742 VA (*see IGI: Batch number: F503414, Source Call No. 1553219-Film, Sheet 12; and other Film Number:2034599 - (http://www.familysearch.org). Matthew PATE was a Veteran of the Revolutionary War, (1775-1783) 1st Lt., VA Militia with wife's maiden name: DABNEY (who applied for widow's pension). He received 2 or 3 land grants along the Nollichucky River, TN for his service in the war. DAR Patriot Index http://members1.dar.org/DAR/DARnet/pi/PI.cfm?Action=Full_Record&Patriot_ID=675732 DAR Patriot Index Full_Record&Patriot_ID=675732 PATE , Matthew Birth: Circa 1750 Rank: 1Lt Service: VA Death: VA 1 Feb 1806 Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: () --- Dabney Mathew's date of death: Feb 1, 1806, (Source: DAR Patriot Index - Cent. Ed. 1990, pg. 2244) The LDS, FamilySearch.org; IGI records show date of death: 2 Jan 1805. Carol

Jinks, believe those listed may be related to your "brick walls" Joe/Joab/Josiah of Blount, AL. They were also in the Mobile Register "Tornado Victims" in an article in which David Pate and Daniel Pate of Auburn and Orange Beach, AL were interviewed shortly after visiting their parents (I believe Aaron Pate) on Scott Cemetery Rd. In Walker Co, mentioned that parents home leveled; they survived in shelter. However, their cousin across the street and daughter (the Alexanders) perished in the storm. Sam ________________________________________________________________ Earn $20 for every new person you bring to Juno Platinum To learn how, go to www.juno.com/refer ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com