Rufus Pat, b. 2 Mar 1817 NC, d. 16 Jul 1896 TN md Eliza S Brown, b. 12 Jan 1812 TN Children: James Barckley Pate, b. 1840 TN John Pate, b. 1842 TN Dorcas Pate, b. 1844 TN md William Curtiss Rebecca Elizabeth Pate, b. 1846 TN Isaac Pate, b. 1849 TN George Addison Pate, b. 16 Apr 1852, d. 6 Oct 1924 md Laura Beatty Madison Matthew Pate, b. 1856, d. 1928 md Nancy Melinda Snoddy This family was in Blount Co, TN from 1840 to 1880; Family tradition says John Pate, son of Jacob Pate, was grandfather of Rufus Pate; John Pate was killed and scalped 22 Jan 1793 in Blount Co, TN by Cherokee Indians. Notice there is a generation missing here - who was Rufus' father?? Jinks

Thought this might be of interest to someone. This is from the Dallas paper. -----Original Message----- From: AngelfetGM@aol.com [mailto:AngelfetGM@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:23 AM To: AFHA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AFHA] one AR obit There is one today that might be of interest to someone. Powers, Monah E. born in 1909. The obit states she was the last of 13 born to James and Ellen PATE of Hot Springs, AR Debbie Burk-Whitfield Garland, Texas http://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/ ==== AFHA Mailing List ==== "<a href="http://genealogyshoppe.com/narfair.html">North AR 14th Ancestor Fair</a> will be held in Leslie, AR Jun 5-7, 2003. For more information contact James Johnston at johnston@ipa.net

NATALIE: On the Pate POW's in WWII, did you find which theater, European or Pacific, these folks were imprisoned in? I think the Japanese were the only ones to hold female civilians. I think I can recognize only one name on the list. Blon H Pate is probably the son of Clayton J Pate of Geneva Co AL. He was b 6 Feb 1910. See 1910 AL census, Geneva Co, ED 103, sheet 8, Black Twsp, Noblins PO, site 143/143 Joel

John Pate, b. 29 Jul 1838 KY, d. 24 Dec 1906 md Elizabeth N "Lizzie" --, b. 14 Mar 1849 VA, d. 15 Apr 1923 Children: Mary A Pate, b. May 1870 MO George N Pate, b. Sep 1872 MO Virginia L "Jennie" Pate, b. Oct 1873 MO Nora Ellen Pate, b. Oct 1875 MO, d. 18 Apr 1939 Mary A Pate, b. Feb 1878 MO Gabriella Pate, b. Aug 1880 MO md -- Newhouse Hursley Pate, b. 1883, d. 1894 John W Pate, b. 15 Apr 1889 MO, d. 17 Jun 1949 This family was in 1870 Lincoln Com MO; 1880 Montgomery Co, MO; 1900 Audrain Co, MO and the widow was in 1910 and 1920 Audrain Co, MO Several of this family are buried in the Laddonia Cemetery in Laddonia, MO. Jinks

Napoleon B Pate, b. May 1853 TN md Nancy Rebecca Ann Winfrey, b. Sep 1844 TN Children: Mary M Pate, b. 1873 TN Elizabeth Pate, b. 6 Sep 1874 TN Martha Emmeline Pate, b. 25 Dec 1876 TN md Charles Mitchell Willard John Pate, b. Sep 1879 TN Ollie A Pate, b. 13 Feb 1882 MO md -- Ross This family was in 1880 Bedford Co, TN; and from 1900 to 1920 in Saline Co, MO Jinks

George Washington Pate, b. c 1802 TN md (1) Margaret White (2) Jane Prewitt Children: William M Pate, b. 24 Mar 1827 IL, d. 25 Apr 1905 md (1) Emily Ann Watts (2) Nancy Canada Butler Lucinda Pate, b. c 1829 IL md William A Smith Lewis Pate, b. c 1830, d. 27 Feb 1886 OK md Alethea Ann Ledbetter John Fletcher Pate, b. c 1835 IL Sarah Pate, b. c 1838 IL Mary J Pate, b. c 1840 IL Joseph Pate, b. c 1844 IL This family was in 1830 to 1850 Washington Co, IL and 1860 Collin Co, TX. An estate settlement of 1850 for Margaret White Storey names children of her dec'd niece, Margaret White Pate as William, Lucinda, Lewis and John Fletcher Pate - and states George W Pate, husband of Margaret White Pate has re-married in 1846 to Jane Prewitt -- Jinks

Lewis Pate, b. c 1791 TN md Sarah J -- Children: Andrew Jackson Pate, b. 1 Apr 1822, d. 1872 md Nancy Elizabeth Arnold Charles Wesley Pate, b. 1829 IL, d. 1893 AR md (1) Nancy Mildred Dunnaway (2) Lucretia -- (3) B F Harman (4) Eliza (??)-Donaldson (DID HE REALLY MARRY 4 TIMES???) George W Pate, b. 1834 md Sarah Jane Swift John W Pate, b. 1838 IL Rhoda J Pate, b. c 1840 md Jacob Blankenship William T Pate, b. 1844 IL This family was in1820 Hickman Co, TN; 1830-1840 Washington Co, IL; 1850 Greene Co, MO; 1860 Sebastian Co, AR; 1870 Webster Co, MO and in 1880 Johnson Co, AR the widow was living with her son, C W Pate Jinks

This will be a three parter -- all three of these families have ties to Washington Co, IL - but are they brothers??? Or how are they related?? And since these were before census records named the children - it's hard to decide which children belong to which family, and it seems some have attributed the same children to more than one family. Most of this was gathered from various and sundry sources and a lot is very "iffy" Matthew Pate, b. 20 Sep 1785 TN d. Dec 1849 md Mary "Polly" Meek, b. c 1795, d. 8 Dec 1850 Children:??? It appears from census records they had 5 sons and 3 daughters -- Joseph Pate, b. c 1813 md (1) Elizabeth Goodner (2) Malinda Padgette-Love Matthew J Pate, Jr b. 9 Aug 1818 IL, d. 8 Sep 1893 TX md (1) Kathryn Faulkner (2) Sarah Mara Underwood-Livesay George Pate, b. c 1825 Mariah Pate, b. c 1829 Lewis Pate, b. c 1830 Jesse G Pate, b. 1835 Jesse G is the only child that was actually named in a census record with the family. The family was in 1820 St Clair Co, IL; 1830 & 1840 Washington Co, IL and in 1850 the widow was in Washington Co, IL, Jesse G. age 15 was living with her. Jinks

POW's from WWII PATE FRANKLIN E 2LT PATE LILLIAN N CIV PATE WILLIAM W CIV PATE ANTHONY W PVT PATE BLON H S SG PATE CLYDE H 2 LT PATE EDWARD T SGT PATE EUGENE S PFC PATE HENRY N TEC4 PATE LAURENCE E PFC PATE REEDY PFC PATE THOMAS L PVT PATE JAMES H 2 LT PATE RALPH EDWARD AMM3C 2 USN

Carolyn - I show this to be Sylvania Pate (female) md Jim C Treadway the dau of Nathaniel Pate & 1st wife, Nancy A -- The only other marriage I find is Matilda Pate to B L Stacy - this is dau of Benjamin Washington Pate & wife, Lucinda (Hatcher) Pate Haven't really studied the others enough to find where they belong. Jinks

Hello all, I'm trying to contact Pacia Pate-Brown, which ay one time could be contacted at pacia@gulfcoast.net, regarding the Jeremiah Pate line TN - AL Thanks, Max

Austin Pate, b. c 1780 md Agatha "Agnes" Stanley, b. c 1785 There were several un-named children, but the known ones are: Annie Pate, b. c 1810 Littleton Tazwell Pate, b. c 1813 VA md Sarah Lucy Pate, b. 1815 md Harris J Kersey Matthew W Pate, b. 1825 Samuel Jackson Pate, b. 1828 md Isabella L -- This family was in Hanover Co, VA from 1810 to 1850. Jinks

Natalie: If I track on this correctly- Robert Francis Pate and David E B Pate had a sister named Mary Pate. Mary Pate married a man named Courtland Elwood. Mary Pate and Courtland Elwood had at least one child, a daughter probably named Mary Elizabeth Elwood. Mary E Elwood appears in the 1880 census of Escambia Co FL as g/dau to the head of house, Elizabeth Pate age 72 b SC. Mary E Elwood's uncle David (E. B.) Pate, a widower, is also in the household! In looking at the 1850 Butler Co AL census, it is your conclusion that 13 year old Bennilee Pate is Bemilec Pate or in point of fact is David Elijah Bemilec Pate. It is also your conclusion that 10 year old Robert Pate in that census is Robert Francis Pate. Mary Pate age 6, is the Mary Pate who married Courtland Elwood. I CONCUR. Can you point to citations that refer to David E. B. Pate? Joel That explains ----- Original Message ----- From: "NATALIE PATE" <eilatan@prodigy.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: [PATE] Re:Abimilech Pate > > If parents named their children after fathers, then this makes sense as to why Elijah named his son Bimilec. He (Bimilec) is also refered to as David Elijah B(?) Pate. I have seen his name as David E B Pate. He is the brother of Robert Francis Pate (Butler Co.). David moved to Pensacola and as far as I can tell he had no children. Mary maried Courtland Elwood and resided in Mobile. Mary and Courtland must have died, as one Pensacola census has their child living with David and his mother Elizabeth... The two other children James and Margaret died (I assume as children), I have no info on Chiner Clements. Natalie Pate > PATE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote:#2 [PATE] Re: Abimilec Pate ["Max Yates" ] > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:10:58 -0500 > From: "Max Yates" > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PATE] Re: Abimilec Pate > > Joel, > > I received only four pages. The first page (Cover page?), second and third page are introductory and the fourth page is what you refer to below as page four. That is all, but is identical to your description. > > Max > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Pate > To: Max Yates > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:24 AM > Subject: Preston Earl Newman > > > Max: > Do you have a complete copy of the 1993 document(18 pages plus several other pages such as cover page, title page, table of content and transmittal letters) prepared by Mr. Newman? The document title, in block, is: > Levi Pate > (c1790--c1870) > of > Kershaw County, South Carolina > His Ancestors > and Some of > His Descendants > A Family History and Genealogy > By > Preston Earl Newman > 1993 > > It is on page 4 of this document where Newman provides his conclusions regarding the children of Bennett Pate b ca 1755, i.e., several daughters and 3 sons: Abimilec md Susannah Brimley, Samuel Pate (III) md Tirzah Acrage (Akridge) and Joel md Elizabeth Sloan. > > My opinion, based on my own research, Newman's conclusion are reasonable. I do wish that he would have discussed his evidence in more detail and provided citations. > > Newman indicates that Abimlec had relocated to Butler Co AL by 1830. He (Newman) must be relying on deeds, bible or other records. There were not Pate families enumerated in Butler Co Al in 1830. > > The first Pate enumeration in Butler Co AL was in 1840 - Elijah Pate - 1 male under 5, 1 male 20-30, and 2 females 15-20. > > 1850 Butler Co AL > Page 201, Beat 3, site 357/357 > ELIZABETH PATE 28 W/F SC 1822 > BENILEE PATE 13 W/M AL 1837 > ROBERT PATE 10 W/M AL 1840 > MARY PATE 6 W/F AL 1844 > JAMES PATE 4 W/M AL 1846 > MARGARET PATE 6m W/F AL 1850 > CHINER CLEMENTS 4 W/M AL 1846 > > There are two (assumptions when you do it, conclusions when I do it) assumptions that some folks make about this family. 1st some assume that Elizabeth was the widow of Elijah (from the 1840 census) and 2nd some assume that Robert Pate here is Robert Francis Pate. I am troubled by both of these propositions, but I do accept that they MAY be correct. > > Perhaps I have mixed two lines here, but perhaps they MAY be one. > > Max, may I ask a favor of you? To the extent possible, could we have these exchanges on PATE-L so that others might enter into the discussion? > > Joel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Pate > To: Max Yates > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: 1812 GA militia roll > > > Max: > I'm not aware of any direct family relationship between the 7 individuals listed. You list 10 lines, but there are 7 individuals. Thomas I Pate is Thomas Ivey Pate, son of Ephraim Ivey and nephew to Peebles Ivey and Lydia Pate Ivey. He used the Pate surname until the publication of his father's LWT in Warren Co GA. There is one unique relationship between 4 of them. Edmund/Edmond, Edward/Edward, Peterson, and Thomas Ivey Pate were all born in Southampton Co VA. There is a possibility that Edmund/Edmond and Edward Pate were brothers. > > Until I received this note I have never read or heard any mention that Joel Bennett Pate 1806-aft 1870, who married Elizabeth Sloan 1828 in Thomas Co GA, was a younger brother to Abimileck Pate. Anything is possible, but I've never heard that one before. Where did you run across that information? > > Joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Max Yates > To: Joel Pate > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:35 PM > Subject: 1812 GA militia roll > > > Joel, > > I found this site: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/military/1812/rostern.txt containing this info: > > PATE ABIMILECK PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 > PATE CHARLES PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 > PATE EDMOND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 > PATE EDMUND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 > PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 > PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 > PATE PETERSON PRIVATE PRIVATE WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 > PATE PETERSON MUSICIAN MUSICIAN WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 > PATE THOMAS I CORPORAL CORPORAL 1 REG'T HARRIS' GA Militia 160 602 > PATE WILLIAM PRIVATE PRIVATE 2 REG'T THOMAS' GA Militia 160 602 > > Are you aware of any relationships to one-another? > Is the Abimileck Pate listed above, same as Abimileck Pate mentioned as being older brother to my Joel Pate 1806/GA - aft1870/FL? > > Thanks, > Max > >

If parents named their children after fathers, then this makes sense as to why Elijah named his son Bimilec. He (Bimilec) is also refered to as David Elijah B(?) Pate. I have seen his name as David E B Pate. He is the brother of Robert Francis Pate (Butler Co.). David moved to Pensacola and as far as I can tell he had no children. Mary maried Courtland Elwood and resided in Mobile. Mary and Courtland must have died, as one Pensacola census has their child living with David and his mother Elizabeth. The two other children James and Margaret died (I assume as children), I have no info on Chiner Clements. Natalie Pate PATE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote:#2 [PATE] Re: Abimilec Pate ["Max Yates" ] and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:10:58 -0500 From: "Max Yates" To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE] Re: Abimilec Pate Joel, I received only four pages. The first page (Cover page?), second and third page are introductory and the fourth page is what you refer to below as page four. That is all, but is identical to your description. Max ---- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: Max Yates Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Preston Earl Newman Max: Do you have a complete copy of the 1993 document(18 pages plus several other pages such as cover page, title page, table of content and transmittal letters) prepared by Mr. Newman? The document title, in block, is: Levi Pate (c1790--c1870) of Kershaw County, South Carolina His Ancestors and Some of His Descendants A Family History and Genealogy By Preston Earl Newman 1993 It is on page 4 of this document where Newman provides his conclusions regarding the children of Bennett Pate b ca 1755, i.e., several daughters and 3 sons: Abimilec md Susannah Brimley, Samuel Pate (III) md Tirzah Acrage (Akridge) and Joel md Elizabeth Sloan. My opinion, based on my own research, Newman's conclusion are reasonable. I do wish that he would have discussed his evidence in more detail and provided citations. Newman indicates that Abimlec had relocated to Butler Co AL by 1830. He (Newman) must be relying on deeds, bible or other records. There were not Pate families enumerated in Butler Co Al in 1830. The first Pate enumeration in Butler Co AL was in 1840 - Elijah Pate - 1 male under 5, 1 male 20-30, and 2 females 15-20. 1850 Butler Co AL Page 201, Beat 3, site 357/357 ELIZABETH PATE 28 W/F SC 1822 BENILEE PATE 13 W/M AL 1837 ROBERT PATE 10 W/M AL 1840 MARY PATE 6 W/F AL 1844 JAMES PATE 4 W/M AL 1846 MARGARET PATE 6m W/F AL 1850 CHINER CLEMENTS 4 W/M AL 1846 There are two (assumptions when you do it, conclusions when I do it) assumptions that some folks make about this family. 1st some assume that Elizabeth was the widow of Elijah (from the 1840 census) and 2nd some assume that Robert Pate here is Robert Francis Pate. I am troubled by both of these propositions, but I do accept that they MAY be correct. Perhaps I have mixed two lines here, but perhaps they MAY be one. Max, may I ask a favor of you? To the extent possible, could we have these exchanges on PATE-L so that others might enter into the discussion? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: Max Yates Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: 1812 GA militia roll Max: I'm not aware of any direct family relationship between the 7 individuals listed. You list 10 lines, but there are 7 individuals. Thomas I Pate is Thomas Ivey Pate, son of Ephraim Ivey and nephew to Peebles Ivey and Lydia Pate Ivey. He used the Pate surname until the publication of his father's LWT in Warren Co GA. There is one unique relationship between 4 of them. Edmund/Edmond, Edward/Edward, Peterson, and Thomas Ivey Pate were all born in Southampton Co VA. There is a possibility that Edmund/Edmond and Edward Pate were brothers. Until I received this note I have never read or heard any mention that Joel Bennett Pate 1806-aft 1870, who married Elizabeth Sloan 1828 in Thomas Co GA, was a younger brother to Abimileck Pate. Anything is possible, but I've never heard that one before. Where did you run across that information? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Yates To: Joel Pate Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: 1812 GA militia roll Joel, I found this site: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/military/1812/rostern.txt containing this info: PATE ABIMILECK PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 PATE CHARLES PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDMOND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDMUND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 PATE PETERSON PRIVATE PRIVATE WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 PATE PETERSON MUSICIAN MUSICIAN WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 PATE THOMAS I CORPORAL CORPORAL 1 REG'T HARRIS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE WILLIAM PRIVATE PRIVATE 2 REG'T THOMAS' GA Militia 160 602 Are you aware of any relationships to one-another? Is the Abimileck Pate listed above, same as Abimileck Pate mentioned as being older brother to my Joel Pate 1806/GA - aft1870/FL? Thanks, Max

Joel, where can I get a copy of the Levi Pate document that you were talking about. My husband is a direct decendant of Levi Pate and Sally Clyburn. I will be waiting for your answer. Thanks, Barbara Pate bwpate@ftc-i.net

John Pate, b. c 1790 md Maria W Bowles, b. 1806 VA Children: Ann R Pate, b. c 1827 md Spotswood Wicker Mary Elizabeth Pate b. c 1828 md Billy W Talley Sally P Pate, b. 1830 md Thomas Wood Lucy Ellen Pate b. 1833 VA md John Madison Linney Billy Thomas Pate b. 1834 VA John W Pate b. 1836 VA Maria A Pate b. 1839 VA Martha F Pate b. 1841 Williamson B Pate b. 1842 md Mary E -- Rebecca A Pate b. 1844 This family was in Hanover Co, VA from 1820 to 1860 and I have never found any information on them other than this - what happened to the descendants?? Jinks

I didn't add the 1900 Escambia Co, FL census that shows all the children Robert Page age 56 b. Jul 1843 AL/AL/AL Doshia Pate age 46, b. Jun 1853 AL/AL/AL Jos Pate age 29, son, widower, b. Aug 1870 FL George Pate age 15 son Charlie R Pate age 13 son Mattie Pate age 11 dau Margret age 9 dau Dudly age 7 son Christian Pate age 4 son Jinks

Linda & Joel - I show this Robert F Pate is from what I call the NC Pate's and as you know, I don't usually get into those lines, but do have a little info that may be of help Robert F Pate, b. 29 Jul 1845, Camden, Wilcox Co, AL d. 27 Oct 1923, Pensacola, Escambia Co, FL md Nancy Ann Theodosia "Docita" Jordan I show Robert F Pate is son of Elijah & Elizabeth Pate - which does not fit the father being shown as "W" - but it does seem to fit from the census records I've found - as you know, this is SUBJECT TO VERIFICATION In 1840 Butler Co, AL Elijah Pate -age 20-30 2 Females 15-20 1 male Under 5 (Benilee?) 1850 Butler Co, AL Elizabeth Pate age 28 b. SC (evidently a widow) Benilee Pate age 13 b. AL Robert Pate age 10 b. AL (is this Robert F??) Mary Pate age 6 James Pate age 4 Margaret Pate age 6 mos Chiner Clements age 4 Then in 1870 Mobile Co, AL Robert Pate age 22 b. AL - he listed as Policeman (b. 1848) Ann Pate age 18 b. AL Elizabeth Pate age 49 b. SC I did not find the family in 1860 - so possibly they were living in Wilcox co, AL In 1910 Escambia Co, FL Robert F Pait age 56 b. AL/father b. Unknown/Mother b. Unknown a widower/ married 30 yrs (b. 1854) Dudley Pate age 17 - son; b. FL/AL/AL Christian E Pate age 14 - son; b. FL/AL/AL In 1920 Escambia Co, FL Christian E Pate age 24 b. FL Zella B Pate age 22, wife b. FL Christian E Pate, Jr - age 3, son b. FL Robert F Pate age 76 - father, b. AL (b. 1844) As you can see the only census that fits his supposedly year of birth is 1920 - wonder if he really knew the right year?? Linda, at least this may give you something to work on. Jinks

Joel, Here is another thing to wonder about Robert F. Pate. I have his death certificate. It states that he was 78 when he died in 1923, which would have made him only 5 in 1850. It also states that he was born in Camden, AL. His father is listed as W. Pate and his mother as Elizabeth. The only thing I know for sure now is that he is my greatgrandfather, the father of Thomas C. Pate and died in Pensacola, FL. Oct.27, 1923. Linda Pate Ricks

Joel, I received only four pages. The first page (Cover page?), second and third page are introductory and the fourth page is what you refer to below as page four. That is all, but is identical to your description. Max ---- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: Max Yates Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Preston Earl Newman Max: Do you have a complete copy of the 1993 document(18 pages plus several other pages such as cover page, title page, table of content and transmittal letters) prepared by Mr. Newman? The document title, in block, is: Levi Pate (c1790--c1870) of Kershaw County, South Carolina His Ancestors and Some of His Descendants A Family History and Genealogy By Preston Earl Newman 1993 It is on page 4 of this document where Newman provides his conclusions regarding the children of Bennett Pate b ca 1755, i.e., several daughters and 3 sons: Abimilec md Susannah Brimley, Samuel Pate (III) md Tirzah Acrage (Akridge) and Joel md Elizabeth Sloan. My opinion, based on my own research, Newman's conclusion are reasonable. I do wish that he would have discussed his evidence in more detail and provided citations. Newman indicates that Abimlec had relocated to Butler Co AL by 1830. He (Newman) must be relying on deeds, bible or other records. There were not Pate families enumerated in Butler Co Al in 1830. The first Pate enumeration in Butler Co AL was in 1840 - Elijah Pate - 1 male under 5, 1 male 20-30, and 2 females 15-20. 1850 Butler Co AL Page 201, Beat 3, site 357/357 ELIZABETH PATE 28 W/F SC 1822 BENILEE PATE 13 W/M AL 1837 ROBERT PATE 10 W/M AL 1840 MARY PATE 6 W/F AL 1844 JAMES PATE 4 W/M AL 1846 MARGARET PATE 6m W/F AL 1850 CHINER CLEMENTS 4 W/M AL 1846 There are two (assumptions when you do it, conclusions when I do it) assumptions that some folks make about this family. 1st some assume that Elizabeth was the widow of Elijah (from the 1840 census) and 2nd some assume that Robert Pate here is Robert Francis Pate. I am troubled by both of these propositions, but I do accept that they MAY be correct. Perhaps I have mixed two lines here, but perhaps they MAY be one. Max, may I ask a favor of you? To the extent possible, could we have these exchanges on PATE-L so that others might enter into the discussion? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: Max Yates Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: 1812 GA militia roll Max: I'm not aware of any direct family relationship between the 7 individuals listed. You list 10 lines, but there are 7 individuals. Thomas I Pate is Thomas Ivey Pate, son of Ephraim Ivey and nephew to Peebles Ivey and Lydia Pate Ivey. He used the Pate surname until the publication of his father's LWT in Warren Co GA. There is one unique relationship between 4 of them. Edmund/Edmond, Edward/Edward, Peterson, and Thomas Ivey Pate were all born in Southampton Co VA. There is a possibility that Edmund/Edmond and Edward Pate were brothers. Until I received this note I have never read or heard any mention that Joel Bennett Pate 1806-aft 1870, who married Elizabeth Sloan 1828 in Thomas Co GA, was a younger brother to Abimileck Pate. Anything is possible, but I've never heard that one before. Where did you run across that information? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Yates To: Joel Pate Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: 1812 GA militia roll Joel, I found this site: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/military/1812/rostern.txt containing this info: PATE ABIMILECK PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 PATE CHARLES PRIVATE PRIVATE 3 REG'T WIMBERLY'S GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDMOND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDMUND PRIVATE PRIVATE 1 REGIMENT CHAMBERS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 PATE EDWARD PRIVATE PRIVATE 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA Militia 160 602 PATE PETERSON PRIVATE PRIVATE WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 PATE PETERSON MUSICIAN MUSICIAN WOOTTON'S DETACHMENT GA Militia 160 602 PATE THOMAS I CORPORAL CORPORAL 1 REG'T HARRIS' GA Militia 160 602 PATE WILLIAM PRIVATE PRIVATE 2 REG'T THOMAS' GA Militia 160 602 Are you aware of any relationships to one-another? Is the Abimileck Pate listed above, same as Abimileck Pate mentioned as being older brother to my Joel Pate 1806/GA - aft1870/FL? Thanks, Max