The following information was recently forwarded to me for posting to PATE-L. Joel ETHNIC INDEX Bills of Sale of Slaves (1801-1825) Compiled by Robert L. Bailey 24 Oct 1807, Greene County, Tennessee. Bill of Sale from Matthew PATE to Jeremiah PATE . . . for a certain negroe man named Frank . . . Deed Book C-1, page 231. <http://www.roanetnheritage.com/research/ethnic/african/slave01.htm>

I have been going through this Matthew -maze for years now. I would appreciate having the 'source' for the children of M. Pate & Dabney...would anyone know of it? 1. I question why my maternal gr-gr-grandmother Margery (Elizabeth?) PATE, b. 1782-1783 was not listed with them. 2. According to handwritten notes of the Family Bible, Anna DAUBNEY (or some such spelling) is listed (without dates), and Matthew PATE listed of VA, as parents. I do not have the actual Bible, just notes made from it by one of my Aunts many years ago. 3. My maternal grandfather's name was Matthew Pate Sistler, grandson of Margery Pate, namesake of Matthew Pate. Any help that can be offered would be very welcomed. Carol ======== Drowatzky wrote: >>From: Jinks Lee <jinksp@juno.com> >>To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [PATE] Matthew Pate >> >> >>(1) The Matthew Pate, father of Mary Pate who >>md Lawrence McGeorge was son of >>Matthew Pate (b. ca 1738) who md a >>Dabney (this from DAR records, which >>are not always correct) from Bedford Co, VA >> >>Mary also had a brother, Matthew Pate, >>b. ca 1780 who md Mary W Harrison. >> >> >> >Jinks...I'm just a bit confused by the above. I have that Mary Pate who married Lawrence McGeorge >was the daughter of Matthew Pate and Miss Dabney. Are you saying she was the granddaughter of >that Matthew? > >Thanks! > >Sheridan > >===== >Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. > > > >

> From: Jinks Lee <jinksp@juno.com> > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE] Matthew Pate > > > (1) The Matthew Pate, father of Mary Pate who > md Lawrence McGeorge was son of > Matthew Pate (b. ca 1738) who md a > Dabney (this from DAR records, which > are not always correct) from Bedford Co, VA > > Mary also had a brother, Matthew Pate, > b. ca 1780 who md Mary W Harrison. > Jinks...I'm just a bit confused by the above. I have that Mary Pate who married Lawrence McGeorge was the daughter of Matthew Pate and Miss Dabney. Are you saying she was the granddaughter of that Matthew? Thanks! Sheridan ===== Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.

I was at the Texas State Library yesterday looking at Bell County cemetery listings and came across the following: Bell County Cemetery Records, Vol 3 PATE Mr. Jeff died 1969 at age 84 Margaret Lee Ann 1886-1960 Dyess Cemetery 9.5 miles Southeast of Temple, TX Hope this helps someone. Sharon Fitzpatrick

Carol - Matthew was evidently a favorite name in the Pate's and was passed down in several lines - And as you know - none of these older records are absolutely correct - just the best guestimate So will just list what I can - and beware, most of it needs more verification (1) The Matthew Pate, father of Mary Pate who md Lawrence McGeorge was son of Matthew Pate (b. ca 1738) who md a Dabney (this from DAR records, which are not always correct) from Bedford Co, VA Mary also had a brother, Matthew Pate, b. ca 1780 who md Mary W Harrison. (2) Matthew Pate, b. ca 1700 md Jean -- This family was from Halifax Co, VA and a lot of info from the John Christian "Day Book:" They had a son Matthew Pate b. c 1735 and a son, Jeremiah Pate, b. c 1730 (among other children) This Jeremiah Pate, b. c 1730 had a son Matthew Pate, b. c 1762 md Drucilla Hobson, served in the Rev War. Drucilla filed for a Rev War pension (very lengthy) which gave a lot of the family info (3) Matthew Pate, b. c 1735 son of Anthony Pate & Sarah -- from Montgomery Co, VA No futher info (4) Matthew Pate, b. c 1755 md Elizabeth Cardwell - son of Jeremiah Pate and -- Bender - from Gloucester Co, VA Abingdon Parish Register info (5) Matthew Pate b. 20 Sep 1785 TN md Mary Meek - they were in Washington Co, IL until 1850's Maybe this will help Jinks

thanks, Sheridan......do you have any clue as to WHO Matthew's parents are or 'could be'?.....it does not have to be written in cement, just a clue is what I am looking for. Carol ------- Drowatzky wrote: >>I would appreciate hearing from any PATE Researcher, who >>has a Mathew or Matthew PATE placed in their branch, >>prior to the 1800s. Exact identification, time and place is not an issue >>right now. Thanks in advance..... >>Carol >> >> >> >Carol, I have Matthew Pate, b. 1738. He was the father of my gr.gr.gr.grandmother, Mary Pate who >md. Lawrence McGeorge. > >Sheridan >kssooners@sbcglobal.net > >===== >Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. > > > >

> I would appreciate hearing from any PATE Researcher, who > has a Mathew or Matthew PATE placed in their branch, > prior to the 1800s. Exact identification, time and place is not an issue > right now. Thanks in advance..... > Carol > Carol, I have Matthew Pate, b. 1738. He was the father of my gr.gr.gr.grandmother, Mary Pate who md. Lawrence McGeorge. Sheridan kssooners@sbcglobal.net ===== Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.

Does anyone have any info. on a Sabra Pate (female) who descended through Thoroughgood Pate of NC?

I would appreciate hearing from any PATE Researcher, who has a Mathew or Matthew PATE placed in their branch, prior to the 1800s. Exact identification, time and place is not an issue right now. Thanks in advance..... Carol

Does anyone have info on Boley S Pate - b. ca 1843 d. 23 Nov 1919 and is buried in Dayton, Columbia Co, WA?? He was in 1870 Osage Co, KS and 1880 Atchison Co, KS. his wife is listed as Elizabeth in 1870 and Sarah in 1880 both born ca 1843 in MO, so possibly one and the same. Also looking for information on William S Pate, b. 1865 with wife, Nora B, b. 1871. They were in 1910 and 1920 Crawford Co, KS - in 1900 his wife Nora is living with her father, Charles R Coles - but where is William S?? Wm S, Nora and two children, Ethel M and Clarence are buried in Crawford Co, KS Jinks

Benjamin Franklin Pate Sr of Wilkinson Co GA married Amsey Delaney Taylor 25 Apr 1867. She was the dau of John Taylor and Amsey Delaney George Ana Virginia Muscogee McMurrien. Joel

Judith "Judy" Ann Pate - Dodson Williamsburg, Virginia Judith "Judy" Ann Pate - Dodson, 57, of Williamsburg, Virginia lost her battle with Congestive Heart Failure at MCV Hospital in Richmond, Virginia on 18 June 2003. She was preceded in death by her parents Clyde L. Pate, Sr. and Clara Mae Lukens - Pate. Also her son Brian Keith Dodson in 1982. Judy was a resident of the Peninsula for 22 years. She and her family moved to Newport News in 1981, then retired in Williamsburg in 1993. She was a member of St. George Episcopal Church in Newport News. Judy worked civil service for the U.S. Army TRADOC at Ft. Monroe, Virginia, and retired in 1992. Then worked part time as a book keeper for Disabled American Veterans Thrift Stores in Newport News. She serviced the community by providing meals for the homeless through St. George Episcopal Church. She is survived by her husband, James L. Dodson of Williamsburg, Virginia, her daughter Mrs. Christina L. Dodson - Evans and her husband John of Virginia, her son Mr. James Lee Dodson and his wife Leslie of South Carolina and her son Mr. Richard K. Dodson and his fiancé Rhonda Graham of Virginia, her sister Mrs. Linda S. Pate - White and her husband William, her brothers, Mr. Clifford C. Pate and his wife Sandy of P.A., Mr. Clyde L. Pate, Jr. and his wife Donna of Nevada, Mr. Eugene Pate and his wife Laura of Colorado, Mr. John Pate and his girlfriend Samantha Pipkin of Missouri, her sisters - in - law, Mrs. Barbara Dodson - Britt and her husband Richard of Missouri, and Mrs. Rosemary Dodson - Berry, and her husband Richard of Missouri, her granddaughters, Mrs. Rachel K. Dodson - Williams and her husband Charles of Virginia, Miss Ashley L. Dodson and Miss Brandy M. Dodson of Missouri, Miss Raven L. Dodson of South Carolina, her grandsons, Mr. Joshua J. Dodson of Virginia, Mr. Justin L. Dodson, of South Carolina, Mr. Cary W. Moore and Mr. Christian S. Moore of Virginia, Mr. Richard Z. Dodson of Missouri, Mr. Robert J. Wood and Mr. Darrell A. Wood of Virginia, Mr. Dillin L. Dodson of Virginia, Mr. Andrew S. Evans and Mr. Alex K. Evans of Virginia. She is also survived by 2 Great Grandchildren and a host of friends . All arrangements are being made through Peninsula Funeral Home 11144 Warwick Blvd, Newport News, Virginia and St. George’s Episcopal Church 15446 Warwick Blvd, Newport News, Virginia.

Lindy and list - the GA Confederate Pension Files show B F Pate srv Co D 8th GA, filed for a pension from Wilkinson Co, GA He also witnessed for a B F Morgan of Laurens Co, GA Does anyone have access to the GA Pension records?? Sometimes these pension records are a goldmine of info. Jinks

Jinks, THANKS for pointing out the difference. I had only made the note of the John Taylor household & didn't write down its members when I looked at the census. With Delann in her father's household in 1870, the 1867 marriage date has to be an error. One other thing about Benjamin F. Pate. I have him on the 1863/1864 Joe Brown Census still in Twiggs Co. 21st Senatorial Dist GA Militia enrollment dist #356 listed as Benjamin "P" Pate, age 16 yrs 7 mo, b GA. This is the correct district for Benjamin F Pate, s/o Samuel. A search of the Wilkinson Co Ga military records online at Rootsweb-archives yields a Benjamin F Pate, Co D 8th Regt GA Militia Wilkinson Co. I don't have the dates for this service but it could have occurred late in the war. Thanks again, Lindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Pate/Wilkinson Co GA 1870/1880 census > > Lindy - notice that in 1870 Wilkinson Co, GA > Delana Taylor age 24 is still living with her > parents, John Taylor & Amsa -- so the Martha, evidently > wife of this Benjamin would not be one and the > same -- > Could the date of 1867 for marriage of > Benjamin & Delana Taylor be in error?? > Seems you have stumbled on another > puzzle. > Jinks > >

Lindy - notice that in 1870 Wilkinson Co, GA Delana Taylor age 24 is still living with her parents, John Taylor & Amsa -- so the Martha, evidently wife of this Benjamin would not be one and the same -- Could the date of 1867 for marriage of Benjamin & Delana Taylor be in error?? Seems you have stumbled on another puzzle. Jinks

Thanks Joel, I'm not questioning whether or not Samuel Pate had a son named Benamin F Pate, but whether or not the Benjamin Pate listed on Wilkinson Co GA 1870 is the same Ben F Pate as on the 1880 Wilkinson Co GA. I have reliable proof that Samuel Pate had son Benjamin F Pate b abt 1847, although I have temporarily lost the exact date of the newspaper. Abt 1851. Union Recorder. Twiggs Co GA. Lewis Soloman, ordinary applies for letters of guardianship on estate of Nancy J, Isaac, Martha M, Elijah, and Benjamin F, minor heirs of Samuel Pate, dec'd. Benjamin F Pate is on 1850 Census Twiggs Co GA age 3 in Elizabeth Pate (assumed to be his mother) household along with the same siblings listed as minor heirs of Samuel Pate in the Union Recorder notice; 1860 Census Twiggs Co GA age 13 in Eli S Griffin household along with brother Elijah. If the 1870/1880 Wilkinson Co GA censuses are of the same Benjamin Pate, then he must have had another child, Samuel Pate b c1869, and his wife must have had an expanded name including Martha (if the 1867 marriage date to Amsey Delaney Taylor is correct.) Thanks for the descendants. I notice in doing a search for Annie Pate Lavender (d/o Benjamin F Pate), there is a posting to the Lavender rootsweb board 30 Dec 2000 by Angela Kennedy akenn10527@aol.com who is stating that she has a picture of John Lavender, wife Annie Pate & daughter Irene of Wilkinson Co GA. I will look for an obituary for Benjamin F Pate if I can find his death date. Thanks again for you reply, Lindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Pate/Wilkinson Co GA 1870/1880 census

Lindy John Ben Pate attributes Benjamin F Pate Sr b July 1848 to Samuel Pate and 2nd ux Susan Fort. Seems reasonable as John Ben Pate and Benjamin F Pate Sr b 1848 were in the same central GA area at essentially the same time. See insert following your inquiry. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindy Hard" <ssautyvalleyfarm@worldnet.att.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: [PATE] Pate/Wilkinson Co GA 1870/1880 census > Is this the same Wilkinson Co GA Pate family? > > 1870 Census Wilkinson Co, GA (microfilm) > p421 2d Division 17 Aug 1870 > #577 #634 John Taylor family... > > #577 #635 Pate, Benjamin 22 M W Farmer 400 PE GA > ____, Martha 21 F W GA > ____, Samuel 1 M W GA > > > 1880 Census Wilkinson Co, GA; p351, Dist 331 > (Source: http://www.familysearch.org) > > Pate, Ben F Self Married Male W 31 GA Farmer GA GA > Pate, Delann Wife Married Female W 35 GA Keeping House GA GA > Pate, James R Son Single Male W 7 GA GA GA > Pate, Bennie F Son Single Male W 5 GA GA GA > Pate, Annie L Dau Single Female W 3 GA GA GA > Pate, Amsa L Pate Dau Single Female W 1 GA GA GA > Taylor, Charles T other Single Male W 24 GA GA GA > > I have that Benjamin F Pate b 4 July 1848 [date not proven], son of Samuel > & Elizabeth Pate of Twiggs Co GA, married 25 Aug 1867 Amsey Delaney Taylor > [date/marriage not proven by me.] > > Does anyone have the death date for this Benjamin F Pate? > > Thanks for any clarification! > Lindy Hard Descendants of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN PATE SR - ----------------------------------------------------------- 1-BENJAMIN FRANKLIN PATE (4 Jul 1848-) sp: AMSEY DELANEY TAYLOR (Oct 1847-aft 11 Apr 1902) 2-CATHERINE PATE (-) sp: IVEY LOYD (3 Dec 1898-Jan 1970) 3-GEORGE F LOYD (19 Apr 1937-6 Feb 1939) 3-MABEL CATHERINE LOYD (7 Dec 1934-29 Apr 1936) 2-ELIZABETH PATE (-) sp: CHARLES USSERY (-) 2-JAMES R. PATE (abt 1873-) 2-BENJAMIN FRANKLIN PATE (8 Jan 1874-2 Feb 1956) sp: EMMA LEVANDER MCCULLAR (1884-) 3-OSSIE LEON PATE (10 Aug 1908-21 Jun 1962) 3-ALLISON PATE (1911-) 3-LOIS L PATE (1913-) 3-EDNA EARL PATE (1915-) 3-NINA VIRGIE PATE (1917-) 3-MABEL PATE (1918-) 3-BILLIE PATE (1922-) 3-SHELBY PATE (1924-) 2-ANNIE L. PATE (abt 1877-) sp: JOHN D. LAVENDER (1875-) 3-JESSIE LAVENDER (1901-) 3-IRENE LAVENDER (1907-) 2-AMSEY R. PATE (Dec 1879-) sp: MR. KING (-) 2-ELIJAH PATE (Feb 1884-) 2-THELMA PATE (Jun 1885-) sp: SYDNEY LOYD (-) 2-NORMA PATE (Jun 1885-29 Nov 1921) sp: AUGUSTUS WATERS (-) 2-MAGDELINE PATE (May 1888-) sp: WILLIAM D MERCER (-) 3-HUGHBY MERCER (abt 1898-1976) 2-VIOLA PATE (Oct 1889-) sp: CARLTON LORD (-) sp: LEILA LEE MERCER (-21 Feb 1943) 2-HENRY J PATE (1908-) 2-ICY PATE (1910-) 2-ELIZABETH PATE (1913-) 2-ROZA PATE (1919-)

Is this the same Wilkinson Co GA Pate family? 1870 Census Wilkinson Co, GA (microfilm) p421 2d Division 17 Aug 1870 #577 #634 John Taylor family... #577 #635 Pate, Benjamin 22 M W Farmer 400 PE GA ____, Martha 21 F W GA ____, Samuel 1 M W GA 1880 Census Wilkinson Co, GA; p351, Dist 331 (Source: http://www.familysearch.org) Pate, Ben F Self Married Male W 31 GA Farmer GA GA Pate, Delann Wife Married Female W 35 GA Keeping House GA GA Pate, James R Son Single Male W 7 GA GA GA Pate, Bennie F Son Single Male W 5 GA GA GA Pate, Annie L Dau Single Female W 3 GA GA GA Pate, Amsa L Pate Dau Single Female W 1 GA GA GA Taylor, Charles T other Single Male W 24 GA GA GA I have that Benjamin F Pate b 4 July 1848 [date not proven], son of Samuel & Elizabeth Pate of Twiggs Co GA, married 25 Aug 1867 Amsey Delaney Taylor [date/marriage not proven by me.] Does anyone have the death date for this Benjamin F Pate? Thanks for any clarification! Lindy Hard

Carol, Jesse Pate who was born in Buncombe Co. NC (now Yancey) in 1820 was my great-grandfather. Jesse Pate spent most of his adult life in Cherokee County, NC. He was the son of John PATE (aka RANDOLPH) and Fanny Barrett. The Internet is full of erroneous information on this entire family line. One individual began calling him "Bee Log," even though he lived at Jack's Creek, and now it is perpetuated at the speed of "copy & paste." Likewise, another of the myths perpetuated about John is that he was an illegitimate child--his father was a BAKER and mother a RANDOLPH. There is no PROOF that can substantiate that claim. In John PATE's (aka RANDOLPH) War of 1812 pension file is an affidavit stating that John PATE was also known throughout the county as John RANDOLPH "...after the name of his step-father." Documented information on this John PATE shows: 1. He married Fanny Barrett on June 3, 1808 at "Bee Tree Church" - War 1812 Pension File 2 He was enumerated, as John PATE, in the 1830, 1850, 1860, and 1870 census. 3. He served in the War of 1812 as John RANDOLPH for which he received Land Warrants. 4. As John PATE he was one of the oldest volunteers in the C.S.A. having enlisted at the age of 75 - Compiled Service Records of NC. 5. He was alive on 9 Aug 1872 - War 1812 Pension File My personal opinion of much of the Genealogical information available on the Internet - it isn't worth the paper it's written on. If no sources are listed-discard it. If sources are listed-check it. Over the years I have found that it is easier to climb a brick wall than to go on a wild goose chase. Happy Hunting, Janice Pate Please respect the privacy of other people; do not submit information on living individuals without their permission. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Carol: First it was not my intent to knock the skates out from under you. Your enthusiasm and diligence in searching for your roots is commendable. My effort was to help you avoid some pitfalls and traps that I and others have already fallen into and had to dig our way out of. Unfortunately there was a significant bit of inaccurate material published in the first 30 years of the last century. That sounds odd, but 1900 to 1930 was in the last century. The inaccurate material slowly spread until the advent of the computer and then the internet. I don't need to tell you how quickly you can spread information or misinformation these days. I am not familiar with the Fast-Crabbe correspondence of 1934-1966, but it does sound very much like the 1917 material published by John Ben Pate. You are wise to treat such material as searching guide. If you can not point to reliable sources and find sound, logical deductions or conclusions, you may wish to move with caution and to warn others of you doubts. Where do you go from here? By all means keep trying, digging, asking and sharing. Keep good notes on your documentation and sources. Look at material relating to allied families. You mentioned an Edwards line. Dig a bit in their turf. Who knows, you might run across an Edwards Bible with lots of Pate names in it. Use the census resources available. Cautiously use internet resources. Good (reliable) internet resources will cite page, chapter and book (sometimes even the library). Use World Connect. Carefully discern the best publications. The copy cats are often very obvious. Browse the PATE-L archives. There was a good exchange on William Riley Pate. The repetition of names across generations can be useful in proving lineage. The more unusual the name the better. A note of caution about names- they can jump across sibling lines. Rework some of your "known" facts. Take a "known" fact and prove it up for yourself. Look at migratory patterns. Look for place names in one area that were taken from other areas. Use other researchers' reports, but with caution. Above all keep digging and sharing. Joel