Joel, Thanks for the info! It looks like Samuel ends at Malcom Blue house for now. I can't seem to get any place with this now. It looks like from sr John, the 2 Charles pates all the Thoroughgoods {three generations} Willoughby pate Shadrack,"Sallie"Sarah Jane Pate. Some place down the line, Samuels father will show up with the help of our friends and kins>> Yours withen the faith. Jimpate8@wmconnect.com

Perhaps the names of the children of Elizabeth Milly Pate and A W Peters will offer a clue as to her father's name. Interestingly, the Peters household was at site 215/217. At site 210/212 we find Jeremiah Pate age 79, and his second wife, Malinda A E Stewart, age 46. 1880 Geneva Co AL P 662, ED 79, sheet 24, site 215/217 HANDY PETERS 26 W/M HEAD FARMER FL/NC/AL 1856 MILLY PETERS 30 W/F WIFE KPS HSE AL/AL/AL 1850 ELIAS PETERS 6 W/M SON SGL AL/FL/AL 1874 WM O PETERS 5 W/M SON SGL AL/FL/AL 1875 REBECCA PETERS 3 W/F DAU SGL AL/FL/AL 1877 AARON* PETERS 1 W/M SON SGL AL/FL/AL 1879 [Elizabeth M Pate md A W 'Handy" Peters]

Jim: Here are some additional census records for you line. Was Easther Pate perhaps a child of Malcom Blue, of Flora McFarland or Duncan McGougan? 1870 Richmond Co NC page 552, Laurel Hill PO, site 352/344 MALCOM BLUE 60 W/M b NC 1810 FLORA MCFARLAND 64 W/F b NC 1806 DUNCAN MCGOUGAN 68 W/M b NC 1802 SAMUEL PATE 28 W/M b NC 1842 EASTHER PATE 28 W/F b NC 1842 JOHN PATE 1 W/M b NC 1869 1880 Richmond Co NC Page 403, Enumeration Dist 173, Stewartsville PO, site 496/516 SAMUEL PATE 37 Mu/M HEAD MD NC/NC/NC 1843 HARRIET PATE 28 Mu/F WIFE MD NC/NC/NC 1852 JOHN PATE 11 Mu/M SON SGL NC/NC/NC 1869 ALEXANDER PATE 10 Mu/M SON SGL NC/NC/NC 1870 JAMES PATE 7 Mu/M SON SGL NC/NC/NC 1873 MARY PATE 5 Mu/F DAU SGL NC/NC/NC 1875 AGAINON PATE 3 Mu/F DAU SGL NC/NC/NC 1877 UNNAMED PATE 6m Mu/M SON SGL NC/NC/NC 1880 1900 Marion Co SC, Enumeration dist 72, sheet 21, Harleesville PO, site 349/349 ALEX W PATE 28 W/M HEAD MD NC/NC/NC APR 1872 ADDIE PATE 22 W/F WIFE MD 3y 3/3 SC/SC/SC JUL 1877 JOHNIE PATE 5 W/M SON SC/NC/SC JAN 1895 GEWOOD PATE 3 W/M SON SC/NC/SC APR 1897 HENRIETTA F PATE 1 W/F DAU SC/NC/SC DEC 1898 [Gewood Pate 20 Apr 1897-Sep 1969 Clio, SC] 1900 Marlboro Co SC, Enumeration dist 94, sheet 17, Red Bluff PO, site 282/283 SAM PATE 64 W/M HEAD MD NC/NC/NC JAN 1836 HARRIETTA PATE 53 W/F WIFE MD 35y 3/3 NC/NC/NC MAY 1847 MARY M PATE 23 W/F DAU NC/NC/NC AUG 1876 HATTIE J PATE 18 W/F DAU NC/NC/NC MAY 1882 JEANNETTE PATE 13 W/F DAU NC/NC/NC APR 1887 This perhaps is the father of Alex W Pate 1920 Dillon Co SC ED 34, sheet 8 GEWOOD PATE 21 W/M HEAD SC NANCY PATE 18 W/F WIFE SC GILB PATE 2 W/M SON SC 2y 8m WALTER PATE 9m W/M SON SC [Gewood Pate 20 Apr 1897-Sep 1969 Clio, SC] 1930 Robeson Co NC ED 78-2/17B, Alfordville PO, 298/309 G W PATE 33 I/M SC 1896 HEAD MD @19 SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE NANCY A PATE 30 I/F NC 1899 WIFE MD @16 NC/MIXED/CHEROKEE ALTON PATE 13 I/M NC 1916 SON SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE WALTER PATE 9 I/M NC 1920 SON SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE FREDRICK PATE 7 I/M NC 1922 SON SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE REEDY PATE 6 I/M NC 1923 SON SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE MAY BELLE PATE 3 I/F NC 1926 DAU SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE WILLIAM ALEX PATE 2 I/M NC 1927 SON SGL SC/MIXED/CHEROKEE

Samuel Pate is found in the 1870 census,Lourel Hill,Richmond,Co. NC. in the house of Malcom Blue. His wife,Esther 28 ,son John 1 year Samuel was 28.put hem to be born 1843. samuel shows up 1880 in stewartsville,NC.with his clan. Easther,John 11,Alexander 10,James 7 Againore 3 Pate 3 daugh, Pate 6mos son. Alexander's clan was , Hariet, John T. Samuel, GeWood ,William, Keller. Florence, Cerry,Pearland Lizzy. GeWood's clan was Nancy, Alton, Walter, Frederick, Reedy, Mabel, William A. , James E. Cora, Bessy, Emmy and John.>> What is samuel doing in the house of Malcom Blue??? Was he hird to farm? Malcom was over 60 years old.Realy too old to plow. Census can't pick him up in his household because he is not at HOME>> Who is his father??? Thanks for any info. Jimpate8wmconnect.com

Welcome to Jim Pate: Your first posting: SAMUEL PATE IS MY GGRAND FATHER,BORN 1843 RICHMOND CO. NC. ALEXANDER PATE IS MY GRAND FATHER BORN 1870 RICHMOND CO. NC. GeWOOD G.W. IS MY FATHER BORN 1897 SO.CAROLINA.MY NAME IS, JAMES EDWARD PATE BORN 1934 NC. MY QUESTION IS,AND I HOPE THERE IS SOMEONE THAT CAN HELP PLEASE- WHO IS THE FATHER OF SAMUEL?? I THANK YOU (ANYONE) FOR THAT INFO.

Yes Jinks! I think we may have a connection. Can you tell me if your Elizabeth M. Pate was born Oct 22, 1848. Her brother, Jere, was a Judge from what we are told. Elizabeth M. Pate married Handy Peters around 1870. She is buried at Panther Creek Cementary in the Wicksburg area. Her father was also named Jeremiah Pate. Her mother may have been named Martha, but we are unsure. Does any of this sound familiar? Teresa Hi Jinks,Looks like we are looking at two different Jeremiah Pate families. Both of my Jeremiahs are in Dale Co. in the 1850 census. The father is 51 years old and his son is 21 years old. They are with Martha (Tindell) Pate and the other children William and Thomas. Thomas Waters a grandson is also with them.Marvin______________________________ Forwarded Message X-Message:#2Date:Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:01:14 -0400From:"Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com>To:PATE-L@rootsweb.comMessage-ID:<000b01c360c9$6e84dd40$2201a8c0@nettally.com>Subject:[PATE] Jeremiah Pate-Dale Co AL 1840 CensusContent-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase | Download File ] Jeremiah Pate-Dale, Co AL 1840 CensusApparently had 5 children, 2 sons age 5 to 10, 1 son age 10 to 15, 1 son age 15 to 20 and 1 dau age 10 to 15. The oldest male in the household was age 30 to 40 as was the oldest white female. There was 1 black female age 55 to 100 in the household.This closely corresponds with the Jeremiah Pate in the 1850 Census of Dale CoJeremiah Pate---51 W/M TN ca 1799Martha Pate-----51 W/F GA ca 1799William Pate----25 W/M AL ca 1825Jeremiah Pate---21 W/M AL ca 1829Thomas Pate-----18 W/M AL ca 1831Thomas Waters-- 1 W/M AL ca 1849Page 220. site 746/746Thomas Waters, the son of Susannah Pate and Thomas Waters, was a grandson of Jeremiah.Perhaps both parents were dead by the 1850 census.Who was the husband of Martha Pate------25 W/F GA ca 1825Jeremiah Pate---- 3 W/M FL ca 1847Elizabeth M Pate- 1 W/F AL ca 1849Page 185, site 250/250?______________________________ Forwarded Message X-Message:#3Date:Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:57:50 -0500From:"Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com>To:PATE-L@rootsweb.comMessage-ID:<20030812.075750.2076.0.jinksp@juno.com>Subject:Re: [PATE] Jeremiah Pate - Geneva Co.Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-asciiContent-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase | Download File ] Marvin - I do see your two Jeremiah's in 1850 Dale Co,also look at p 185Martha Pate age 25 (evidently a widow) b. GAJeremiah Pate age 3, b. FLElizabeth M Pate age 1, b. ALThis seems to fit the family Teresa was looking forand the Elizabeth M Pate Peters - but can't decidewhich family they belong to - or who Martha's husband was.Jinks --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Glenda: There was probably only one women named Martha Pate Long in Gibson Co TN There are two "legends" or stories about her. Legend I 1 Martha Pate married Henry Long in Gibson Co TN 11 Sep 1838 on license issued 8 Sep 1838. 2 She was born ca 1821 in TN 3. Henry Long and Martha Pate Long had 8 children 4. Henry Long and Martha Pate Long relocated from Gibson Co TN to Grant Co KY and were enumerated in the 1860 census of Grant Co KY. 5. Martha Pate Long died after the 1860 census. Going to the 1860 census of Grant Co KY, Page 65, Dowingville Twsp, site 450/450 you will find Henry Long 44 b TN Martha Long 39 b TN Sarah E Long 15 b TN Mary A Long 13 b TN Rhoda A Long 11 b KY Emily F Long 9 b KY Harriet A Long 6 b KY Martha C Long 4 b KY Margaret Long 2 B KY William K Long 6m b KY It appears that this family relocated from TN to KY ca 1847-49. I was unable to locate this family in KY in the 1870 census. [SOURCE: Unproven, Miscellaneous Notes] Legend II 1 Martha Pate married Henry Long 4 Sep 1838 in Gibson Co TN. B. A Pate, MG (Minister of the Gospel) performed the marriage. 2 Henry Long and Martha Pate Long remained in Gibson co TN and had 10 children 3 The first child of Henry Long and Martha Pate Long was Matilda Long b ca 1838 died after 1850 census 4. Henry Long and Martha Pate Long were enumerated in the 1850 census of Gibson Co TN My index says there was a Henry Long in the 19th Civil District, Page 72 in the 1850 census. I do not currently have an image scan of that enumeration. 5. Henry Long and Martha Pate Long were enumerated in the 1860 census of Gibson Co TN in the Trenton PO District. I do not have an index citation for this, but I would surmise that you could find and confirm this. 6. Henry Long and his son, James Luther Long, served in Confederate units in the Civil War 7. Henry Long and Martha Pate Long were enumerated in the 1870 census of Gibson Co TN Page 492, Rutherford Twsp, site 12/12 Henry Long 55 b NC Martha Long 48 b TN Martha Long 23 b TN Joseph Long 19 b TN Dan Long 19 b TN Pennie Long 14 b TN Isabella Long 11 b TN George Long 8 b TN 8 Henry Long and Martha Pate Long were enumerated in the 1880 census of Gibson Co. I have not researched this, but I would surmise that it can be confirmed. 9 Martha Pate Long died in Gibson Co TN 10 Oct 1892 and is buried at Walnut Grove Cemetery 10 Henry Long died in Gibson Co TN 11 Jan 1893 and is buried at Walnut Grove Cemetery Both appear to have died intestate 11 Henry Long was b 1 Apr 1815 in NC and moved, with his parents, Jacob and Susan Long to Obion co TN Children Matilda LONG b: 1838 Ann LONG b: 1840 Sarah LONG b: 1841 James Luther C. LONG b: 21 NOV 1842 in Gibson County, Tennessee Martha LONG b: 1847 William LONG b: 1848 Benjamin LONG b: 1850 Joseph LONG b: 1850 May LONG b: 1855 Isibell LONG b: 1859 George LONG b: 1862 [SOURCE: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ - txcuz@hotmail.com] I would go with Legend II Benjah Pate md Polly Long in Obion Co TN in 1829. Was Benjah Pate the father of Martha Pate Long? Was Polly Long related to Jacob and Henry Long? Hope this helps Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stkv4c@aol.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [PATE] Martha Pate Long TN > I hope someone can help me straighten out my Pate's. I thought I had the > correct info from Ben A. Pate and Polly Long. My Pate's are from Gibson County > TN. > Who are Martha Pate parents that married Henry Long? Either I have mixed > some wrong Pate's in or my dates are wrong or I need to start over. Please help. > Could there be two Martha Pate Long's? > > Very confused at the moment > Glenda in TX > > >

I hope someone can help me straighten out my Pate's. I thought I had the correct info from Ben A. Pate and Polly Long. My Pate's are from Gibson County TN. Who are Martha Pate parents that married Henry Long? Either I have mixed some wrong Pate's in or my dates are wrong or I need to start over. Please help. Could there be two Martha Pate Long's? Very confused at the moment Glenda in TX

I'm curious as to whether this James M. Pate (ca. 1775-1831) is related to my William Pate (ca. 1760 - 1844) who married Catharine and had the following children: 1. Rebecca (1788-1827) m. Jennings Hulsey 2. Nancy (ca. 1791) m. Charles Hulsey 3. Elizabeth (1792) m. William Shaw in 1814 GA 4. John (1798 - 1855 AL) m. Amarinda 5. William (1800) m. Elizabeth Shaw 6. Aaron (ca. 1801) m. Keziah Camp 7. Thomas (ca. 1804) 8. Katharine (ca. 1806) m. Lovett Hinton Thanks! Mike

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Hello, my name is Kathryn Nell Pate Kelley and have recently acquired the family history research that my father, Earl Hart Pate had compiled. Thank you, Joel, for your help in finding this list. My brick wall is with James Pate, Sr.; wife's name, Mary (last name ?) children are James, Jr. John, Charles, Seaborn, William, Thomas, Phebe, Franky, Winny and Jane. James Sr. siblings are Charles, William and Thomas. My Pate line is: James Pate, Sr. James Pate, Jr. m. Marina Gay Bailus Irving Pate m. Sarah Virginia Joyner Thomas Irving Pate m. Mary Elizabeth (Mollie) Witt Joseph Earl Pate m. Nellie Belle Hart Earl Hart Pate m. Doris Jean Forester Kathryn Nell Pate Thank you in advance for any information you may have to share. Sincerely, Kathryn Pate Kelley

Jeremiah Pate-Dale, Co AL 1840 Census Apparently had 5 children, 2 sons age 5 to 10, 1 son age 10 to 15, 1 son age 15 to 20 and 1 dau age 10 to 15. The oldest male in the household was age 30 to 40 as was the oldest white female. There was 1 black female age 55 to 100 in the household. This closely corresponds with the Jeremiah Pate in the 1850 Census of Dale Co Jeremiah Pate---51 W/M TN ca 1799 Martha Pate-----51 W/F GA ca 1799 William Pate----25 W/M AL ca 1825 Jeremiah Pate---21 W/M AL ca 1829 Thomas Pate-----18 W/M AL ca 1831 Thomas Waters-- 1 W/M AL ca 1849 Page 220. site 746/746 Thomas Waters, the son of Susannah Pate and Thomas Waters, was a grandson of Jeremiah. Perhaps both parents were dead by the 1850 census. Who was the husband of Martha Pate------25 W/F GA ca 1825 Jeremiah Pate---- 3 W/M FL ca 1847 Elizabeth M Pate- 1 W/F AL ca 1849 Page 185, site 250/250?

Marvin - I do see your two Jeremiah's in 1850 Dale Co, also look at p 185 Martha Pate age 25 (evidently a widow) b. GA Jeremiah Pate age 3, b. FL Elizabeth M Pate age 1, b. AL This seems to fit the family Teresa was looking for and the Elizabeth M Pate Peters - but can't decide which family they belong to - or who Martha's husband was. Jinks

Hi Jinks, Looks like we are looking at two different Jeremiah Pate families. Both of my Jeremiahs are in Dale Co. in the 1850 census. The father is 51 years old and his son is 21 years old. They are with Martha (Tindell) Pate and the other children William and Thomas. Thomas Waters a grandson is also with them. Marvin

Teresa, I have quite a bit of information on Jeremiah Pate from Geneva Co., AL if you would like to share with me. I'm curious about Elizabeth M. Pate Peters, I don't have any information on her. I will be glad to share what I have. Marvin mwilliamsjr@knology.net

Teresa - noticed your posting on Pate-L In the 1850 Dale Co, AL census records there is Martha Pate age 25, b. GA Jeremiah Pate age 3, b. FL Elizabeth Pate age 1, b. AL It appears Martha is a widow. in the 1860 Santa Rosa, FL census records Jas L Bryan Martha Bryan, b. GA Jeremiah Pate age 13, b. FL Malinda Pate age 11 b. AL So it seems Martha Pate remarried to Jas Bryan, and Elizabeth M is Elizabeth Malinda Pate. Couldn't find a Jeremiah who fits as being Martha's first husband, but maybe this will help a little or give you a clue. Jinks

I recently joined the list and I am looking for information on Jeremiah Pate. He was suppose to be a Judge in the Wicksburg Alabama Area around 1846. His wife may have been named Martha. His daughter was Elizabeth M. Pate Peters (Millie). She was born Oct. 22, 1848. Teresa Teresa Nedra's Kitchen http://nedraa.tripod.com/nedraskitchen Nedra's Kitchen Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nedraskitchen/join The Garden Exchange http://www.geocities.com/yellow_armour/gardenexchange.html The Collectors of Cards http://groups.yahoo.com/group/collectorsofcards/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

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Vickie: A bit more on these marriages- John Pate married Fannie Hubbs in Knox Co TN 8 Dec 1897. The date is perhaps a license issue date. The Bondsman was John Miller, Witness was H L White and marriage took place at Mount Zion Church, Medina, TN. Sources: hisref@memphis.lib.tn.us, Book -LCCN 82-222120 Lucas Anthony Pate married Ebby Reynolds in Knox Co TN 22 Sep 1800. Bondsman John Reynolds. Sources: hisref@memphis.lib.tn.us. LDS, which has her name as ELLY Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Bernhard" <ber7@ctesc.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [PATE] Knox Co TN > Just doing some searching today and found these Pates in Knox Co TN archives. Does anyone know these Pates? John Pate married Fanny Hubbs 8 Dec 1797 and Anthony Pate married Ebby Reynolds 22 Sep 1800. Jinks gave me a hint to look in Knox Co for the parents of my John F. Pate who married Harriett Culpepper in 1838 in Wilcox Co AL. Let me know if I should rule these two out. Thanks....Vickie > > >

Just doing some searching today and found these Pates in Knox Co TN archives. Does anyone know these Pates? John Pate married Fanny Hubbs 8 Dec 1797 and Anthony Pate married Ebby Reynolds 22 Sep 1800. Jinks gave me a hint to look in Knox Co for the parents of my John F. Pate who married Harriett Culpepper in 1838 in Wilcox Co AL. Let me know if I should rule these two out. Thanks....Vickie