Joel, The David Pate referred to could very possibly be my great grandfather who I have been trying to trace for years. In the 1860 California census, David is shown as being 33 years old and born in Illinois. That puts his BOB about 1827 and makes him about 20 at the time of the Mexican War. He married Susan Mary Lassiter in 1857 in Arkansas. By 1860 they were in California and I have good information about him from 1860 to 1877. Family folklore has him killed by Indians in 1877 on a trip to Oregon in search of land to homestead. Since the 1830 and 1840 censuses only show heads of household, I have been unable to tie him to any family in Illinois. I have tried to identify the family by eliminating other children who were about 3 in Illinois in 1830, but was unsuccessful. Assuming that John, David and William were brothers, can anyone identify a family in Illinois to which they might belong? Can anyone suggest where John, David and/or William were between 1827 and 1857? I am excited about this information. Although it does not prove anything, it gives me some new hints as I continue my search for David. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [PATE] John, David, and William Pate - Petition to US House of Represenatatives > They were from Illinois! > > It took a little digging, but they were found. > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/hlawquery.html > > I suspect that they served in the Mexican War (1846-48). > > An interesting fourth party in the petition was mentioned in the final bill - one W. T. Sherman. Perhaps William Tecumseh Sherman? > > Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, 1850-1851 THURSDAY, December 12, 1850. > By Mr. Bissell: The petition of John Pate, David Pate, and William Pate, of the State of Illinois, praying for relief on account of back rations due them. > > Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, 1850-1851 TUESDAY, February 18, 1851. > Mr. Ewing, from the same committee (Military Affairs), to whom were referred the petitions of John Pate for himself, David, and William Pate, W. T. Sherman, and of the officers and soldiers of the Georgia battalion in the late war with Mexico, made adverse reports thereon; which were severally laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. > > The Journals of the House of Representatives and the Senate of the Confederate States of America also are on line at the site provided above. > > Joel >

They were from Illinois! It took a little digging, but they were found. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/hlawquery.html I suspect that they served in the Mexican War (1846-48). An interesting fourth party in the petition was mentioned in the final bill - one W. T. Sherman. Perhaps William Tecumseh Sherman? Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, 1850-1851 THURSDAY, December 12, 1850. By Mr. Bissell: The petition of John Pate, David Pate, and William Pate, of the State of Illinois, praying for relief on account of back rations due them. Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, 1850-1851 TUESDAY, February 18, 1851. Mr. Ewing, from the same committee (Military Affairs), to whom were referred the petitions of John Pate for himself, David, and William Pate, W. T. Sherman, and of the officers and soldiers of the Georgia battalion in the late war with Mexico, made adverse reports thereon; which were severally laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. The Journals of the House of Representatives and the Senate of the Confederate States of America also are on line at the site provided above. Joel

Bill Since the petition was filed in 1851, it predates the Civil War. I figure that these men were called up for some combat in the 15 year period prior to 1851 - perhaps the 1st or 2nd Seminole or the Mexican War. Here is a list of US combat actions 1835-1851 Seminole Indian 1835 - 1842 FL, GA, AL Heatherly Disturbance 1836 MO Creek Indian 1836 - 1837 FL, GA, AL Sabine or Southwest Indian 1836 - 1837 LA Osage Indian 1837 MO Mormon 1838 MO Aroostook Indian 1839 ME Door's Rebellion 1842 RI Mormon 1844 IL Mexican War 1846 - 1848 Mexico Cayuse Indian 1846 - 1848 OR Texas - New Mexico Indian 1849 - 1855 TX, NM California Indian 1851 - 1852 CA Rouge River Indian 1851, 1853, 1856 Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Joel Pate Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] 1851 Petition to US Congress by PATE family Joel: These sound like yankee Pates, given that they're petitioning to the federal govt., but it's perhaps possible that Chip Pate (my last email address for him is pates@mindspring.com) could have some info. Chip, a very distant cousin, is a confirmed Civil War buff and has collected much info. Bill Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [PATE] 1851 Petition to US Congress by PATE family In a private claim for relief presented to the US House of Representatives, 31st Congress, dated 18 Feb 1851, John, David and William PATE petitioned for relief on account of back rations due them. Petition was to Military Affairs Committee (bureaucracy never changes). Any one got a lead on this? Joel

In a private claim for relief presented to the US House of Representatives, 31st Congress, dated 18 Feb 1851, John, David and William PATE petitioned for relief on account of back rations due them. Petition was to Military Affairs Committee (bureaucracy never changes). Any one got a lead on this? Joel

The following was recently posted to the PATE message board at Ancestry.com I am searching for information related to the family of Elijah and Elizabeth (unknown)Pate. Elijah Pate was born around 1820 in South Carolina. Elizabeth was born around 1822 in South Carolina. Elizabeth Pate died June 30,1906 in Eva Springs, Florida. They had at least nine children: David Elijah Bimilec Pate,born circa 1837;Robert,born 1840;Mary,born,1844;Jamesborn,1846;Margaret,born,1849. They were born in Butler County, Alabama. Their other children:William,born 1854;Elizabeth,born 1856;Lewis,born,1858;and Mary,born1859 were born in Burnt Corn, Monroe County,Alabama. I would like information related to the descendants of Elijah and Elizabeth Pate. I posted the following reply- In the 1860 census of Monroe Co AL, page 859, Burnt Corn Precinct, site 700/636, there is a Pate household as follows- Elijah Pate 36 SC Elizabeth Pate 24 SC William Pate 6 AL Elizabeth Pate 4 AL Louis Pate 2 AL Mary Pate 2m AL This family is Elijah Pate and Martha Elizabeth Gilland who were married in Fayette Co GA 4 Oct 1850. This family will appear again in the 1870 census of Monroe Co AL and the 1880 census of Baltrop Co TX In the 1860 census of Mobile Co AL, page 741, Ward 7 Mobile, site 632/754 there is the following family Elizabeth J 37 SC David Benlice 17 AL Robert F 16 AL Mary J 15 AL Margaret 13 AL The enumerator recorded the surname for this family as PAGE, in point of fact it was PATE. Elijah Pate, the father of David, Robert, Mary J and Margaret, apparently died just prior to the 1850 census.

Thank you Joel. I don't remember who gave me the 1910 census info but it was quite a while ago. So, no I don't have the exact location for them. I will be looking for it hopefully later today. I can't say that I have spent a great deal of time searching for this family as information seems to be pretty limited. I see a lot of Pates, and scratch my head. If I could find out where Will Daniel died maybe I could get his death certificate. Since he appears to be the Will/William Pate found in the 1920 & 1930 Little River, Pemiscot Co., MO census, I will see if I can find a death certificate. Thanks for the other info from 1920 & 1930. I actually was just looking at that again last night. James M. Killion was my mother-in-law's grandfather -- father of Ruby Nell "Nellie" Killion Pate. I was skeptical of my mom-in-law's story about Jerry Pate. Thanks for setting the record straight. I will have to relay the info to her. I wonder where she got that information? Probably one of those stories that started out as a "I wonder if...." and later turned into fact. : ) Thanks. I will check into those leads. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: [PATE] John Balthup Pate Marilyn: Welcome back. Some questions and tidbits. You said: In the 1910 Gibson Co., TN census, Vila May/Viola May/Veale May is living with her grandparents, Hiram & Frances Wilson who have been married for 3 years and is the 2nd marriage for both. Do you have a citation for this 1910 Gibson Co TN census record? John Balthrup Pate and Ruby Nell Killion appear in the 1920 and 1930 censuses of MO. In 1920 they were newly weds living with James Monroe Killion in Pemiscot Co MO ED 160, sheet 9, lines 73-74. In 1930 they were living in Le Sieur, New Madrid Co MO ED 15, sheet 4A. John 28 b TN Nellie 27 b MO Aletha 8 b MO Virginia 5 b MO Apparently they divorced soon after this enumeration. You said: My Mom-in-law thinks that his grandson may be the golder Jerry Pate, but I don't know if that is true or not. Jerry Pate, the PGA golfer, is Jerome Kendrick Pate, son of Patrick Jefferson Pate Jr and Joyce E Gallagher, g/s of Patrick Jefferson Pate Sr and Katherine Lola Freeman. This line descends from John W Pate, Patrick Jefferson Pate and James Kendrick Pate of Washington Co GA and is a collateral line to the Redding Pate family of Washington and Pulaski Co GA. These lines are VA>NC/GA>FL, and were not in TN and MO. Some possible leads- Take a look at the 1880 census of Smith Co TN, household of Lawson Pate ED 117 sheet 11 Searching 1930 census for w/f named Vela M b TN age 27 or 28 - found 1- Vela M Archer age 27 wife of Wilson B Archer Alcorn Co MS Joel

Marilyn: Welcome back. Some questions and tidbits. You said: In the 1910 Gibson Co., TN census, Vila May/Viola May/Veale May is living with her grandparents, Hiram & Frances Wilson who have been married for 3 years and is the 2nd marriage for both. Do you have a citation for this 1910 Gibson Co TN census record? John Balthrup Pate and Ruby Nell Killion appear in the 1920 and 1930 censuses of MO. In 1920 they were newly weds living with James Monroe Killion in Pemiscot Co MO ED 160, sheet 9, lines 73-74. In 1930 they were living in Le Sieur, New Madrid Co MO ED 15, sheet 4A. John 28 b TN Nellie 27 b MO Aletha 8 b MO Virginia 5 b MO Apparently they divorced soon after this enumeration. You said: My Mom-in-law thinks that his grandson may be the golder Jerry Pate, but I don't know if that is true or not. Jerry Pate, the PGA golfer, is Jerome Kendrick Pate, son of Patrick Jefferson Pate Jr and Joyce E Gallagher, g/s of Patrick Jefferson Pate Sr and Katherine Lola Freeman. This line descends from John W Pate, Patrick Jefferson Pate and James Kendrick Pate of Washington Co GA and is a collateral line to the Redding Pate family of Washington and Pulaski Co GA. These lines are VA>NC/GA>FL, and were not in TN and MO. Some possible leads- Take a look at the 1880 census of Smith Co TN, household of Lawson Pate ED 117 sheet 11 Searching 1930 census for w/f named Vela M b TN age 27 or 28 - found 1- Vela M Archer age 27 wife of Wilson B Archer Alcorn Co MS Joel

----- Original Message ----- From: GeraldCollins601@aol.com To: DeepRoots@sisna.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: William Riley Pate Marsha, I would like other people to know of Jane Sturgis possibly being the wife of William Pate. We know that Jane was living in 1824 because she was called Jane Pattey in her father's (John Sturgis) Will, which was probated in Sangamon County, Illinois 7 February 1825. A lot of the other Sturgis children moved to Morgan County, Illinois around 1828 and later to other locations. The mother was in the 1830 Morgan County, Illinois census and died there in 1857. I have since found out that the wife of John Sturgis (Anna Wright) had a father named Bartlett Wright who moved to Warren County, Tennessee. I checked this county and found a William Pate who witnessed a deed there. I could find no evidence that John Sturgis was ever there. We know that his son was born in Blount County, Tennessee in 1811. John Sturgis lost all his property in South Carolina and left the state as a result. His son said that he tried to avoid people that knew him, so doubt that he would have gone to Warren County where his father-in-law lived. One of the Sturgis daughters married and went to Georgia. I once thought that the sister might have accompanied her. There were a large number of Pate's living within a mile of where she lived ( Fayette County, Georgia). I studied this Pate family for about six months and could never make a connection so gave up. Now that I know that William Pate lived in Sangamon County during the critical time period it appears likely that he might be her husband. In hind sight this appears more likely to me. I have refrained from identifying William Pate as the husband of Jane Sturgis although I believe he might have been. After the Sturgis family moved to Morgan County, Illinois a sister of Jane's, Arcada Sturgis also mentioned in the will, married James Boman (shown as Bowman in 1830 census) in 1825 and they lived in Sangamon County, Illinois in the 1830 census. We know that Jane Bratton Sturgis was born ca 1790 in York County, South Carolina. I checked the census for William Pate and his wife also was born around this time. Whether this was Jane or Elizabeth is open for discussion. The James Boman family moved to Hancock County, Illinois around 1834 but I couldn't find a William Pate there. If a record is found it would reinforce my assumption. Regarding the Elizabeth Pate. I could be entirely wrong and she was indeed the wife of William Pate in the 1830 census. If so, Jane Sturgis Pate, would have died between 1824 and 1830 in Sangamon County, Illinois. William Pate could then have taken a second wife. Have you considered the possiblity that Elizabeth Pate might have been a spinster sister of William Pate, or the widow of a brother taken in by the family. She was of right age to have been the wife in the 1830 census rather than Jane Sturgis so you could be right. If Jane Sturgis was in fact the wife of William Pate, all of the children born before 14 May 1824 would have been her children. The fact that William Riley Pate asked for a different guardian in 1827 could indicate that he might not have cottoned to his new stepmother, Elizabeth Pate -- assuming that his mother Jane Sturgis Pate had died. I have noted that the Pate children's names are not necessarily Sturgis names. If they were I would expect to see the names Wright, Bratton, Draper, Daniel, Bartlett among them. These names appeared in various Sturgis lines for years, i.e. Daniel Bartlett Morgan, John Wright Trammell, etc. We have never seen the name Riley in our line. Of course this could have been a Pate family name. I don't know that we will ever find the evidence we need to resolve this, but it is a good idea for people to consider it and discuss the possiblities. Who knows, a Bible record could appear one day clarifying the name of the wife. Gerald Collins

I received this message a couple of months ago and thought it might be of interest to other PATE researchers - in particular the descendants of William PATE of Sangamon Co., Illinois. I tried to forward it to several of William Riley PATE's descendants but my address book is out of date. So I am sending it here in the hopes that they will be able to get it. I have a second message I received today that I will also forward. The petition that is mentioned is found in several places on the internet, including my own website www.pageproducer.com/users/deeproots/index.html Marsha Buck DeepRoots@sisna.com ----- Original Message ----- From: GeraldCollins601@aol.com To: deeproots@sisna.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: William Riley Pate I wondered about William Riley Pate who presented the petition and requested a guardian to be appointed over his property and estate...... To me this would imply that he was the beneficiary of an estate. In the John Sturgis will written 14 May 1824 and probated 7 February 1825 he mentioned his eldest daughter Jane Pattey [Pate]. This would be daughter Jane Bratton Sturgis born about 1790 in York County, SC. We have been unsuccessful in finding Jane [Sturgis] Pate. Now wonder if the William Pate of Sangamon County, Illinois was in fact her husband. They lived in the same area of Illinois and we know that the brother of Jane Sturgis, Dr. Daniel Bratton Sturgis was born in Blount County, Tennessee 17 June 1811 so they were in that area for an undetermined time. The younger Sturgis children had been born in York County, South Carolina. If Jane Sturgis was the [1st] wife of William Pate she might have died around 1827 and left William Riley Pate some property, which required him to have a guardian. I am just throwing this on on the outside chance that this line could be our long lost Pate family. Was there any estate papers that you are aware of? Appreciate any information you might have to offer.

Meredith - also note that I gave Amanda F Pate's birth year as ca 1835 - which is from the census records, she was living with Polly A & William Miller in 1850 Dyer Co, TN - and as we all know census records are not always correct. So she could have been born late 1834 or 1835 shortly after Matthew Pate died. Jinks

Meredith - notice Jane Milliken Pate purchased the land in 1835 - Matthew Pate died in 1834 - which would make it her separate property. Jinks

Jinks and PL Just returned last night and have not had time to digest the information, BUT you can put it in stone that E Cain was the only child of Jane and Mathew Pate of Dyer. Granddaughter's notes--good genealogist of Dyer. I'll get back to you.. Also quickly--if Jane were married, I would THINK that the land purchase would be in both names OR Amanda belongs to someone else. Meredith Margaret, Can you weigh in on this Meredith??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinks Lee" <jinksp@juno.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:26 AM Subject: [PATE] Pate's in Dyer Co, TN (M16) > I just got back from a trip to Dyer & Gibson Cos, TN > in an effort to sort out the Pate families there -- and > from what I found, it would appear to be a safe > assumption that the following were the --9-- children > of Jane Milliken Pate, the first 7 as children of Jane > & Stephen Pate - the last 2 as children of Jane & > Matthew Pate. One printed source says Jane & Matthew > only had one son, E C Pate, and one states they had > two sons, E C and Matthew, and Andrew Jackson > Pate was son of Stephen & Jane. Since Amanda F Pate > was still a minor in 1856, she would have been > born after 1835, so am assuming she was > the dau of Jane & Matthew Pate. > > In 1835 Jane Milliken Pate purchased 233 1/2 acres > of land, and in the years after she died, the following > sold their shares or undivided interest to Andrew Jackson > Pate -- each child had approximately 25 1/2 or 26 acres, > making up the 233 1/2 ac - all deeds described it was > their share or undivided interest in the same 233 1/2 ac tract > > Dec 1844 - Mathew D Pate sold his 25 ac to A J Pate > Feb 1849 - Wm Miller, and wife, Mary A; James M Pate > and Stephen D Pate sold their shares - 25 1/2 ac ea > Sep 1851 - Elkanah C Pate sold his 25 ac to A J Pate > -- 1852 - John Rucker and wife, Sarah sold 26 ac to A J Pate > Jul 1856 - Amanda F Pate (a minor) and Wm J McCoy & > wife, Sciota McCoy sold their 2 shares to A J Pate > > I have found most of these children in census and/or > cemetery records, so from this: > > Stephen & Jane Milliken Pate - > Children: > Sarah Pate, b. c 1814 md John Rucker > (there is a John Rucker and wife, Sarah in 1860 Hot Springs Co, AR > (which may or may not be the same, but seems to fit as to ages) > Andrew Jackson Pate, b. 4 May 1815 > Sciota Pate, b. c 1817 md William J McCoy (have not found in census) > James M Pate b. c 1818 (in 1860 Gibson Co, TN) > Mary A "Polly" Pate b. c 1819 md William Miller > Stephen D Pate b. 30 Jul 1820, d. 2 Mar 1851 > Matthew Daniel Pate, b. 13 Aug 1823, d. 27 Feb 1892 > md (1) Ann D Sampson (2) Mary E Moore Davis-Shelton > > Matthew & Jane Milliken Pate > Children: > Elnatha/Elkanah Cain Pate, b. 10 Sep 1830, d. 6 Nov 1904 > md Lucy F Pierce > Amanda F Pate, b. c 1835 > > This COULD also fit in with the 1830 Dyer Co, TN census: > Jane Pate age 30-40 > Male 10-15 (Andrew J b. 1815) > Female 10-15 (Sciota b. c 1817) > Male 10-15 (James M b. c 1818) > Female 10-15 (Mary A, b. c 1819) > Male 5-10 (Stephen b. 1820) > Male 0-5 (Matthew b. c 1823) > (POSSIBLY Sarah b. c 1814 was already married???) > > Can anyone come up with another solution?? > Jinks > > >

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Haven't posted for a very long time - in fact I was off the list for quite a while. So, I will try again in hopes that someone knows my Mom-in-law Virginia's family. Virginia's father was John Balthup Pate, and grandfather William "Will" Daniel Pate. Virginia was very young when her parents separated, so she doesn't remember much of anything. Her older sister who knew only a little passed away in 1998. There are no other children. I'd like to find out who the parents of William "Will" Daniel Pate and wife Frances "Frankie" Holland were. This is pretty much all I know of the family: 1 William Daniel 'Will' Pate b: May 1869 TN - +Frances 'Frankey' Holland b: Feb 1870 TN d: Abt. 1908 Dyer or Gibson Co., TN Mother: Francis 'Fanny' ---- 2 George Pate b: Jan 1897 TN d: Abt. 1917 In World War I ---- 2 John Balthup Pate b: Nov 13, 1901 Eaton, Gibson Co., TN d: Oct 06, 1981 Sikeston, Scott Co., MO (Last resided in Poplar Bluff, Butler Co., MO) -------- +Ruby Nell 'Nellie' Killion b: Apr 20, 1902 Obion Co., TN d: Apr 01, 1979 CA Father: James Monroe 'Jim' Killion Mother: Lucinda 'Cindy' Buchanan ---- *2nd Wife of John Balthup Pate: -------- +Grace V. Hodgeson b: May 06, 1903 d: Jul 27, 1972 (last resided Naylor, Ripley Co., MO) ---- 2 Arthur Pate b: Abt. 1904 Probably in Dyer or Gibson Co., TN ---- 2 Vila May (Veale? Viola May?) Pate b: Abt. 1907 *2nd Wife of William Daniel 'Will' Pate: - +Miss Emma This is what Virginia's sister wrote to me back in 1996: "My great-great-grandmother, my father's father, Will Pates mothers name the last we heard was Wilson; she was married 8 times I was told. (My note: It may actually have been his mother-in-law who married a Wilson). "My father was 7 when his mother died. His brother George (the eldest was 11, the younger boy was Arthur he was 4 yrs. The sister Veale, was a baby. Grandpa married not to long after grandmas death. It didn't work out. He married again to a woman we called Miss Emma." In 1900 Will, Frankey, the oldest son George were in the Dyer Co. census. Frankey must have died around 1908, and in the 1910 census the children are living in various households in Gibson Co., TN: George age 12 is with Birthie & Robert Boswell "as a son" John age 9 is a ward of Walker & Pricie Wilson Arthur age 5 is a ward of James D. & Birdie Bowie Vila May age 2 is living with grandparents Hiram & Frances Wilson I'm told that George was killed in 1917/1918 during WWII, and that he left a wife & infant son. I have no idea what became of Arthur. My Mom-in-law thinks that his grandson may be the golder Jerry Pate, but I don't know if that is true or not. In the 1910 Gibson Co., TN census, Vila May/Viola May/Veale May is living with her grandparents, Hiram & Frances Wilson who have been married for 3 years and is the 2nd marriage for both. It is only assumed at this point that Frances (her name is "Fanny" in the 1920 TN census) Wilson was Frankie's mother. Aunt Lea's recollection was that Will Pate's mother was the one who'd married a Wilson, and that it was the Pate grandmother's 8th marriage. Any thoughts, clues, or help would be greatly appreciate! Thanks, Marilyn Nickless

Howard Rankin [bigboy1965@zappo.com] Posted: 27 Oct 2003 11:01 PM GMT Ancestry.com Message Board- PATE I am searching for information related to the family of Thomas Pate and Mary Teresa Beck. Thomas was born in August 1873 in Mobile,Alabama. Mary Teresa Beck was born March 17,1877 in Alabama. They had twelve children:Mary,Eugene,Annie,Vicy,Robert,Christian,Malcolm,Jim and James(twins),Bernard,Aletha and Emily. They were all born in Pensacola. I have some information. However,I am always looking for more. I replied Howard: You list 12 children for Thomas Pate and Mary Beck, who married in Escambia Co FL 15 Mar 1892 -Bk N, Pg 186. I can identify only 11 children for this couple. Christian Emeral Pate Sr 5 Dec 1895-1939 was listed a son of Robert Francis Pate in the 1900 Federal census of Escambia Co. Christian Pate was also listed as a son of Robert F Pate in the 1910 Federal census of Escambia Co. In the 1920 federal census of Escambia Co., Christian E Pate (Sr) was listed as head of house. Robert F Pate was listed in the same household as father of the head of household. Based on these three records I would conclude that Christian E Pate 1895-1939 was the son of Robert F Pate and a brother to Thomas C Pate and brother in law to Mary T Beck Pate. Additionally, the Thomas and Mary Beck Pate family appear in several Federal and State censuses [1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 and 1935], none of which show Christian Pate as a son. Thomas Pate and Mary Beck apparently lost 3 children very young. Eugene E Pate was probably born and died in 1896. His was one of the first deaths to be recorded in the state wide death certificate program in Florida. See 1896 Card 2780. The twins, identified in the Florida death index as James and Jessie Pate, died in 1919. See FL death certificates for 1919, Cert 70-4996 for James and Cert 70-4997 for Jessie. I do not have copies of these certificates, only index material. Mary Louisa Pate b Feb 1893 [Eugene E Pate b/d 1896] Anna Myrtle Pate b Jun 1897 Vicey N Pate b 21 Jun 1899 Emily L Pate b 1902 Robert E Pate b 1904 Malcolm (H*) Pate b 1907 Bernard Pate b 11Nov 1911 Aletha Augusta Pate b 1915 (perhaps Aletha Agatha Pate) [James Pate b/d 1919*] [Jessie Pate b/d 1919*] * Needs verification

Can anyone shed any light on the connections of these Pate's: ESTATE SETTLEMENTS (1883-1907)- Dyer Co, TN 25 May 1907 – Rec’d of JOHN R Menzies, Clerk of Court – pays – in full settlement of my – interest in Tract 1 and my – interest in Tract 3 from sale of land in cause of CHAS PATE, et als vs LIZZIE PATE (All the following are worded the same, showing their interest in the different tracts) Tract 1 Tract 2 Tract 3 25 May 1907 – JULIA A PATE - $87.03 1/2 1/6 by J W PATE, Atty in Fact 15 May 1907 – C Q PATE - $137.32 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 and 3/6 29 May 1907 – LAFE PATE - $55.68 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 01 Jun 1907 – G W PATE - $102.78 (For his mortgage held on Tract 3) 01 Jun 1907 – WILL PATE - $55.68 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 05 Jun 1907 – WASH PATE - $55.68 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 05 Jun 1907 – Sam Ferguson, Guardian of HENRY PATE 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 & CLAY PATE 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 $111.38 06 Jul 1907 – LIZZIE PATE - $55.70 1/7 of 1/2 1/7 1/7 of 1/6 It APPEARS the last 7 are children of Marcus DeLafayette Pate,SR and Julia A Pate is wife of Charles Hall Pate, a brother to Marcus DeL Pate, SR - but why would she enter into the suit?? Lafe would be Marcus DeL Pate, Jr -- is Will-James W Pate?? is Wash-Geo W Pate?? Is Lizzie-Harriet E Pate (all children of Marcus DeL Pate, Sr)?? Jinks

George is the son of Robert Francis Pate and Nancy Ann Theodosia Jordan Pate. George moved to the Tampa area in the late 1920's (?) where he opened a Stevedore company. George and Katherine have two very young children buried in St. Johns Cemetery in Pensacola (Escambia County). George and Katherine never moved back to the Escambia area after they settled in Tampa. I have a photo of the family taken around the 1950's. --- PATE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > PATE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 104 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [PATE] Pensacola Stevedore Pates - ["Joel > Pate" <patej@nettally.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from PATE-D, send a message to > > PATE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:25:58 -0400 > From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PATE] Pensacola Stevedore Pates - Tampa > Branch > > Anyone have additional information on this branch of > the Pensacola Stevedores Pates? > > Descendant List - George W PATE > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > 1-George W PATE (18 Oct 1884-23 Nov 1956) > sp-Katherine Ethel LAWRENCE (1888-1961) > . 2-Leonard PATE (6 May 1907-1926) > . 2-Lawrence PATE (3 Apr 1909-Dec 1973) > . sp-Margaret UNKNOWN (1908-) > . 2-Herman M PATE (24 Feb 1911-Feb 1976) > . 2-Velma V PATE (25 Oct 1919-12 Apr 1995) > . sp-Mr. THOMAS (-) > . 2-Hilton H PATE (5 Dec 1926-19 Apr 1997) > . 2-Dorothy PATE (1929-) > > This family was in Escambia Co in the 1920 census. > They were in the Hillsborough Co (Tampa) in the 1930 > Census. > In 1930 George W Pate listed his occupation as > stevedore, city docks as did Lawrence Pate. Herman > M Pate was a timekeeper, city docks. >

Hi Joel, Thanks for the information. Jeremiah (my ggggrandfather) did fight with Andrew Jackson's militia in the Battle of New Orleans. He joined the militia when he was 12 years old along with his brother Thomas. So there is a possibility that the information that you have might be right. Thanks for all of your hard work, Marvin

I just got back from a trip to Dyer & Gibson Cos, TN in an effort to sort out the Pate families there -- and from what I found, it would appear to be a safe assumption that the following were the --9-- children of Jane Milliken Pate, the first 7 as children of Jane & Stephen Pate - the last 2 as children of Jane & Matthew Pate. One printed source says Jane & Matthew only had one son, E C Pate, and one states they had two sons, E C and Matthew, and Andrew Jackson Pate was son of Stephen & Jane. Since Amanda F Pate was still a minor in 1856, she would have been born after 1835, so am assuming she was the dau of Jane & Matthew Pate. In 1835 Jane Milliken Pate purchased 233 1/2 acres of land, and in the years after she died, the following sold their shares or undivided interest to Andrew Jackson Pate -- each child had approximately 25 1/2 or 26 acres, making up the 233 1/2 ac - all deeds described it was their share or undivided interest in the same 233 1/2 ac tract Dec 1844 - Mathew D Pate sold his 25 ac to A J Pate Feb 1849 - Wm Miller, and wife, Mary A; James M Pate and Stephen D Pate sold their shares - 25 1/2 ac ea Sep 1851 - Elkanah C Pate sold his 25 ac to A J Pate -- 1852 - John Rucker and wife, Sarah sold 26 ac to A J Pate Jul 1856 - Amanda F Pate (a minor) and Wm J McCoy & wife, Sciota McCoy sold their 2 shares to A J Pate I have found most of these children in census and/or cemetery records, so from this: Stephen & Jane Milliken Pate - Children: Sarah Pate, b. c 1814 md John Rucker (there is a John Rucker and wife, Sarah in 1860 Hot Springs Co, AR (which may or may not be the same, but seems to fit as to ages) Andrew Jackson Pate, b. 4 May 1815 Sciota Pate, b. c 1817 md William J McCoy (have not found in census) James M Pate b. c 1818 (in 1860 Gibson Co, TN) Mary A "Polly" Pate b. c 1819 md William Miller Stephen D Pate b. 30 Jul 1820, d. 2 Mar 1851 Matthew Daniel Pate, b. 13 Aug 1823, d. 27 Feb 1892 md (1) Ann D Sampson (2) Mary E Moore Davis-Shelton Matthew & Jane Milliken Pate Children: Elnatha/Elkanah Cain Pate, b. 10 Sep 1830, d. 6 Nov 1904 md Lucy F Pierce Amanda F Pate, b. c 1835 This COULD also fit in with the 1830 Dyer Co, TN census: Jane Pate age 30-40 Male 10-15 (Andrew J b. 1815) Female 10-15 (Sciota b. c 1817) Male 10-15 (James M b. c 1818) Female 10-15 (Mary A, b. c 1819) Male 5-10 (Stephen b. 1820) Male 0-5 (Matthew b. c 1823) (POSSIBLY Sarah b. c 1814 was already married???) Can anyone come up with another solution?? Jinks

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