Tarrie: Perhaps this is the family you are looking for- LLOYD M PATE 28 W/M HEAD TN/TN/TN 1902 ED 81-20/9B WASHTENAW-BRIDGEWATER GRACE H PATE 25 W/F WIFE MI/MI/MI 1905 ED 81-20/9B WASHTENAW-BRIDGEWATER JAMES A PATE 5 W/M SON MI/TN/MI 1925 ED 81-20/9B WASHTENAW-BRIDGEWATER STELLA J PATE 3y6m W/F DAU MI/TN/MI 1927 ED 81-20/9B WASHTENAW-BRIDGEWATER LLOYD M PATE 1y8m W/M SON MI/TN/MI 1929 ED 81-20/9B WASHTENAW-BRIDGEWATER >From 1930 Washtenaw Co MI census Loyd Pate age 17 was living with his parents in Lenawee Co in the 1920 census. Perhaps this family retired to Florida Lloyd Pate b 31 Mar 1902 d Mar 1968 zip code 33516 Florida SSN issued in MI Grace Pate b 25 Aug 1905 d Sep 1987 zip code 32661 Florida SSN issued in MI I suspect that "Babe" Pate is Lloyd M Pate Jr Lloyd M Pate b 21 Jul 1928 d 15 May 2001 zip code 32680 (Old Town, Dixie Co FL) SSN issued in MI Zip code 32661 seems to be Beverly Hills, FL (Citrus Co) Zip code 33516 seems to be Town of Belleair, FL (Pinellas Co) (St Petersburg) Nothing on Stella Pate. Joel

Subscriber Tarrie Pate posted this on the Pate venue at Genforum Subject: 1930 MI census Lenawee, Adrian "The name of daughter should be Hazel, not Hagee. The names listed as Ida and Ray Woodley should be Ida and Roy Woodby. Does anyone have any info on the Pate families in FL ? Such as Lloyd and Grace and their son "Babe" or their daughter Stella ? I think Stella may be getting treatment for Alzheimer's disease." The verified extract I have for the Perry Pate household in Lenawee Co MI 1930 census - Lenawee Co MI 1930 ED 46-11/10A, ADRIAN, site 229/236, [1033 Treat Road] Perry Pate--------54 W/M Head Md @22 Labor State Hiway --TN/NC/NC 1876 Elizabeth Pate--52 W/F Wife Md @16 Servant Priv Fam -----TN/TN/NC 1878 Elmer Pate-------16 W/M Son Sgl Packer Paper Mill -------------MI/TN/TN 1914 Hazel Pate-------13 W/F Dau Sgl -------------------------------------------MI/TN/TN 1917 Mable Pate-------11 W/F Dau Sgl ------------------------------------------MI/TN/TN 1919 Grace Pate-------- 9 W/F Dau Sgl ------------------------------------------MI/TN/TN 1921 Ida Woodby------19 W/F Dau Md @18------------------------------------MI/TN/TN 1911 Ray Woodby-----20 W/M Snl Md @20 Truck Driver----------------MI/TN/TN 1910 Hazel appears as a 3 year old in the 1920 census. The "Ray" Woodby could be "Roy" Woodby, but the best reading I see is Ray. Tarrie, regarding Lloyd and Grace Pate and children "Babe" and Stella, there are a couple of possibilities, but without added information I would not want to hazard a guess. Do you have any idea as to the approximate ages of these folks and where in Florida they might live? Also could Stella Pate be named Estella or perhaps Crystelle? Did she marry? Joel

BONAPARTE LOWERY PATE Per Grave at Pisgah Cemetery, 22 Dec 1834-6 Sep 1906 Adjoining grave: Ella Pate 2 Mar 1857-6 Jul 1893 Per service record: 2nd Lt, Company K, 7th Texas Cavalry, Confederate Per 1900 census Eastland Co., TX BONAPART L PATE age 65 W/M HEAD MD FARMER TN/VA/VA DEC 1834 No wife Per 1880 census Hood Co., TX BONAPART PATE age 45 W/M HEAD MD RETIRED MERCHANT TN/VA/VA 1835 ELLA PATE 23 W/F WIFE MD AL/GA/AL 1857 Per 1870 Census Hood co., TX LOWERY PATE age 35 W/M FARMER TN 1835 Alone 3 Questions 1. Was Bonaparte Lowery Pate the B L Pate who md Eliza J Bimberry 11 Jul 1866 Grayson Co., TX (Ingmire) B L Pate who md Eliza J Bimberry 11 Jul 1866 Smith., Co TX (Ancestry.com)? 2. Did Bonaparte Lowery Pate marry Martha "Mattie" Francis Spain? Martha "Mattie" Francis Spain supposedly b 21 Dec 1855 Logan co KY died 3 Mar 1933 Eastland Co TX She supposedly 1st Married Samuel Barker - issue Maggie Barker 2nd Married Bonaparte Lowery Pate - issue Beulah Pate 3rd Married Pete Lear 1930 Census of Eastland Co TX Mattie Lear age 74 W/F Head widow b IL Maggie Shay age 49 W/F Dau widow b TX 1920 census of Eastland Co TX, household of William H Hall Mattie Mrs Lear age 64 W/F MinL b IL 1910 census of Eastland Co TX Mattie A Lear age 54 W/F Head widow b IL Mary A Lear age 19 W/F Dau sgl b TX Beulah Pate age 15 W/F Dau sgl b TX 1900 census of Eastland Co TX Site 118/118 MATTIE PATE 44 W/F HEAD WID 5/4 TX/KY/KY DEC 1855 MAGGIE PATE 21 W/F DAU SGL - TX/TX/TX JUN 1878 AGNES LEAR 13 W/F DAU SGL - TX/MS/TX SEP 1886 MARY LEAR 9 W/F DAU SGL - TX/MS/TX NOV 1890 BEULAH PATE 5 W/F DAU SGL - TX/MS/TX OCT 1894 JOHN COFFEY 23 W/M SERVANT SGL - TX/MS/TX SEP 1876 Site 119/119 BONAPART L PATE-65 W/M HEAD WID TN/VA/VA DEC 1834 OLIVIA PATE 22 W/F DAU SGL - TX/TN/AL JAN 1878 WILLIAM PATE 16 W/M SON SGL - TX/TN/AL AUG 1883 VIOLA PATE 11 W/F DAU SGL - TX/TN/AL DEC 1889 JOHN PATE 8 W/M SON SGL TX/TN/AL JUN 1892 3. Did Bonaparte Lowery Pate marry Ella Winfield Fonden 26 Feb 1874 Upshur Co TX? 1880 census of WOOD Co TX BONAPART PATE--45 W/M HEAD MD TN/VA/VA 1835 ELLA PATE------23 W/F WIFE MD AL/GA/AL 1857 OLIVIA PATE---- 2 W/F DAU SGL TX/TX/AL 28 Jan 1878 1870 census of Hood Co TX LOWERY PATE 35 W/M TN 1835 Alone Observations: Ella Winfield Fonden Pate died Jul 1893 Beulah Pate, the alleged dau of Bonaparte Lowery Pate, was b Oct 1894 Martha Francis "Mattie" -- the apparent mother of Beulah Pate was b Dec 1855 and would have been approximately age 39 in 1894. If Bonaparte Lowery Pate married Mattie Francis "Mattie" Mrs Lear, they most likely married no later than Jan-Feb 1894 For extra measure- was Bonaparte Lowery Pate related to Emerson Pate?

Mary Fitzgerald was the daughter of Jackson Fitzgerald and Sarah Moore. I found the Joseph T. PATE family in Navarro County, TX in 1870 by tracing Mary's siblings. Her sister, Rebecca Fitzgerald Horn, was in Navarro County, TX with her family. Living next door was a PATE family (indexed under G P PATE on ancestry.com and J P PATE on genealogy.com I believe). From the TIPPS researcher (re: Johnie Ella): The marriage certificate info: P.G. Tipps and John Ella Pate, License issued Sep 8, 1879, Grayson TX issued by J.M. Cooper MG Certification of marriage dated Sep 11, 1879, J.M. Cooper MG Clerk: G.A. Dickerson Deputy: J.H. Dickerson No other info, no witnesses or parents, etc. Also from her: In 1870 Peter G. Tipps, age 17, was in Dist 3, Lynchburgh, Lincoln County, TN with his brother Michael. Father of Peter G. Tipps was Jacob Tipps of Franklin County TN. Sharon

Sharon: Joseph T Pate married Mary Fitzgerald 20 Mar 1856 in San Augustin Co TX. Do you see her as a daughter of George Washington Fitzgerald and Christian McIntosh? In the 1850 census of Anderson Co TX there was a G W Fitzgerald et ux Christian Fitzgerald. They had a daughter, Jane Fitzgerald age 6. Was this perhaps Mary Jane Fitzgerald? There were two Pate households in the 1850 census of Anderson Co TX. One headed by a William Pate and wife Jane and one headed by an Isaac H Pate. {Perhaps Isaac Heath Pate}. These two MAY PERHAPS POSSIBLY be sons of a Peterson Pate. Moving forward to 1860 Anderson Co TX we find: 1. W A Pate and wife Jane at site 717/713 2. G W Fitzgerald and wife Christian at site 719/715 3. J T Pate and wife M J Pate at site 764/760 The children with J T (Joseph T Pate) and M J (Mary Jane Fitzgerald Pate) were A J (Amanda J Pate) and J M (James M Pate) In 1870 Navarro Co TX J P PATE-49 W/M-GA 1821 M T PATE-40 W/F-TN 1830 A M PATE-12 W/F-TX 1858 J M PATE-10 W/M-TX 1860 S E PATE- 8 W/F-TX 1862 W J PATE- 6 W/M-TX 1864 J F PATE- 3 W/M-TX 1867 -J P Pate= apparently Joseph T Pate b 30 Aug 1826 -M T Pate= apparently Mary Jane Fitzgerald -A M Pate= apparently Amanda M Pate 7 Feb 1858 -J M Pate= Apparently James M Pate 16 Dec 1859 -S E Pate= apparently Sarah E Pate b 5 Jan 1862 -W J Pate= apparently William L Pate b 12 Nov 1864 -J F Pate= apparently Joseph Francis Pate Still nothing on Johnie Ella Pate. Perhaps she was from a different Pate line. Joel

One correction first - the name of my husband's great grandfather was Joseph FRANCIS Pate. Here is a re-posting of the list of births that I transcribed from the Family Bible register pages that were tucked into the Joseph F PATE/Mattie BARRINGTON Bible. You will note that it is a two generation list: ******************************************************* BIRTH RECORDS 1 Joseph T. Pate was born August the 30, 1826 William F. Pate was born October the 4, 1827 Orra C. Pate was born July the 12, 1830 Thomas J. Pate was born December the 25, 1832 John D. Pate was born November the 28, 1834 Martha J. Pate was born May the 3, 1837 This written June the 10, 1850 by J T Pate BIRTH RECORDS 2 J T Pate M T Pate thair (sic) family record Isabeler C. Pate was born the 13 of January 1857 Amanda J. Pate was born the 7 of February 1858 James M. Pate was born December the 16, 1859 Sarah E. Pate was born January the 5, 1862 William L. Pate was born November the 12, 1864 **************************** There is a death record for Isabeler C. Pate who "departed this life January the 11, 1858". **************************** You will also note that Joseph Francis Pate is not included on the list of children on BIRTH RECORDS 2. However, I am convinced that he is the youngest child of this family. The PATE/BARRINGTON Family Bible states that he was born in Anderson County, TX in August 1867. Joseph T. PATE was in Anderson County, TX in August 1867. Joseph F. Pate's youngest daughter is still living. We purchased the Family Bible and a tintype of Jackson Fitzgerald at an estate sale at her former home. And lastly the 1870 Wadeville, Navarro County, Texas census ties him to this family. Sharon PS The 1880 census does show Johnie Ella TIPPS to be 17. I didn't look at it carefully enough the first time.

Sharon: Johnie Tipps b TX was age 17 not 14 in the 1880 census If there are other names, such as witnesses, bondsmen and officiant, on the marriage license/certificate it would be helpful to know them. If you accept the 1870 Navarro Co TX enumeration of the J P Pate family as containing Amanda Pate and Joseph Fitzgerald Pate you will note that there is not a female child listed that corresponds to Johnie Ella Pate, who would have been age 7. There is a female, S. E. Pate age 8, younger than Amanda and older than J F Pate, a male age 3. This S E Pate was born in 1862, which corresponds with Sarah E Pate b 5 Jan 1862. The 1880 census enumeration was recorded July 1, 1880. Any person born Jan 1862 would have achieved their 18th birthdate and should have reported age 18 for the enumeration. It is difficult to line up enough facts to assert that Sarah E Pate is the same person as Johnie Ella Pate. Peter Tipps et ux were at site 422/422 in Grayson Co in 1880 Amanda J. Pate was at site 433/433 in Grayson Co in 1880 Jacob Tipps age 65 b TN was at site 431/431. I suspect that Peter Tipps was a son of Jacob Where was Peter Tipps in 1870? What became of Sarah E Pate b 1862? Could you publish or republish the list of children in the bible record that contains Joseph Fitzgerald Pate? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Fitzpatrick" <sharon.fitz@sbcglobal.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Johnie Ella PATE m. Peter G. TIPPS - 11 Sep 1879 > I recently received an email of inquiry from a woman researhing the > TIPPS line. She says "My line of research is for Johnie Ella Pate born > about 1863, died before 1894. Married to Peter G. Tipps on 11 Sep 1879 > in Grayson Co. TX. I have a copy of the marriage license." > > She wanted to know if "Johnie" was a sibling to Amanda and Joseph > Francis PATE (my husband's line). They were all living in Precinct 7, > Grayson County, TX in 1880 and were all born in Texas. Amanda was > living with an aunt (Frances Harris Fitzgerald) and Joseph was living as > an adopted son of Robert Harris. I have a birth listing from a Family > Bible that shows that Amanda and Joseph Francis had a sister, Sarah E., > born on January 5, 1862. So, it appears that she (Sarah)would have been > older than the 14 year old Johnie Ella TIPPS listed on the 1880 census. > > Does anyone have a Johnie Ella PATE listed? > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > Sharon > > > >

Gilbert and John Wiley are not PATE names that are in my husband's tree (currently at least). Milam County, Texas is, however, next to Williamson County, Texas. Joseph Francis PATE married in Williamson County in 1887 and was in Bell County, Texas (one county north of Williamson) in 1891. His sister, Amanda, may also have been in Williamson County in 1887. So, it appears that the families were in the same general locations during those years, but that is all I can say for sure. It is likely that someone on the list has more information about these PATEs than I do. Sharon Grace Wisdom wrote: > I had Pate family in Grayson Co., TX around 1890-1930. John Wiley Pate > m. Sarah Kornegay in Milam Co. TX. John's father was Gilbert Pate. Any > connection to yours?

Hi John - and good to hear from you - you've been quiet lately -- Just a note on John Pate who md Emma Elizabeth Griswold, he is John Marion Pate - he is listed in the 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920 census as John M Pate - John Fletcher Pate was his father. Also found a little info on the John Layden Pate md Missouri Bumgarner - he was b. PA and father was b. ENGLAND John Luther Pate appears to be his son. Jinks

I recently received an email of inquiry from a woman researhing the TIPPS line. She says "My line of research is for Johnie Ella Pate born about 1863, died before 1894. Married to Peter G. Tipps on 11 Sep 1879 in Grayson Co. TX. I have a copy of the marriage license." She wanted to know if "Johnie" was a sibling to Amanda and Joseph Francis PATE (my husband's line). They were all living in Precinct 7, Grayson County, TX in 1880 and were all born in Texas. Amanda was living with an aunt (Frances Harris Fitzgerald) and Joseph was living as an adopted son of Robert Harris. I have a birth listing from a Family Bible that shows that Amanda and Joseph Francis had a sister, Sarah E., born on January 5, 1862. So, it appears that she (Sarah)would have been older than the 14 year old Johnie Ella TIPPS listed on the 1880 census. Does anyone have a Johnie Ella PATE listed? Thanks for any help you can provide. Sharon

Deborah has sent me a Thurman Rucker marriage in Madison Co Al. John Thurman md Nancy Rucker on Sept 9, 1819. This John Thurman was supposedly the son of Jesse and Mary Montgomery Thurman. Susan Pate (bn 1805 and considered the sister of my Eliz Ann Pate bn 1800(( married 1819 Madison Co AL to Henderson Clarke bn1797 KY))- both girls bn TN)is married Madison Co to Zach Rucker. Andrew Jackson Pate bn Madison Co, Al to Stephen Pate and Jane Milliken, marries Martha Susan Thurman (first husband Bell)in Dyer Co Tn. Eliz Ann Pate Clark's grandson (I think it was Ferinand F. S. Dawson-son of Col William Dawson )marries a Thurman girl after the civil war. At this point all are Cumberland Presbyterian. Can anyone tell me where in Madison Co the Thurmans, Ruckers, Dawsons (in the 1840s Col Billy took his young fiance off to Madison Co to marry-ran off they said), Clarkes, and Pates may have married?? Church, ministers book or is there a cemetery to the north of Huntsville wher! e these families are intermingled??? Thanks Meredith

1 Loyal Acie Dean Pate md Wanda McClintock (Date) (Location) [Perhaps TX, but Loyal is a name seen often in AL] 2 Robert Lloyd Pate md Charlotte Louise Looper (Date) (Location) 3 Mr. Pate md Mary Duggan (Date) (Location) [Perhaps in AL. She b Apr 1842] 4 William A Pate md Mildred (Surname) aft 1915 (Location) [Source: 1920 census Shelby Co AL] 5 Bessie Pate md C E Pressly (Date) Escambia Co AL Bk B, Pg 231 x

Joel - I can give you some of them -- John Daniel Pate md Dicie Modena Peace 22 Sep 1893 in Shelby Co, TX - Bk 3, p 172 (AL30.1.1.2) John Edward Pate md Evalina Bates 19 Apr 1836, Chambers Co, AL, Bk 1, p 59 (AL29.3) John Hite Pate md Mary Elizabeth French 7 Mar 1860 - probably Ohio Co, IN They were in Ohio Co, In from 1860-1920 (A2.1.1.3.2.1) John Marion Pate md Emma E Griswold 19 Jun 1890; probably Ohio Co, IN They were in Ohio Co, IN from 1870-1920 and this was his 2nd marriage (A2.1.1.3.5.2) John Robert Pate md Lida Knowlton 30 Aug 1897, Ripley Co, IN (A2.1.8.3.6) Jinks

Joel and all, I found the following on the LDS site. Please note that these are submitted by patrons and not verified - they can easily contain errors. As you may see by entry #1, researchers sometimes just submit a guess, based on other records, of when and where a marriage may have taken place. However, they can sometimes provide useful clues as to where (or when) to search for a record. Whenever possible, primary source records should always be used to corroborate - or discount - submitted data. I hope some of these are of use. According to the International Genealogical Index for North America: #1 - John PATE (b. ca. 1764 [another entry says b. 1760 Abingdon, Glouster Co, GA!] m. ca. 1787 Union City, New Haven Co, CT [another entry says m. ca. 1785 Abingdon, Glouster Co, VA] to Esther [another entry says Esther Hester] GREEN (b. ca. 1768) John PATE (b. ca. 1762) m. ca. 1791 Troy, Rensselaer Co, NY to Esther GREENE (b. ca. 1766) [another entry says Esther or Hester GREEN, b. ca. 1770] [another variation shows John PACHT or PATE, m. ca. 1793 at same place to Esther GREEN] John PATE m. ca. 1825 Hamilton, Madison Co, NY to Ester GREEN (b. ca. 1772) John PIET m. 26 FEB 1765 Church Of Christ, Salem, Westchester Co, NY, to Jemimah GREEN [apparently a different couple] #2 - Modena PEACE m. 31 DEC 1890 to in Franklin Co, AL, to James M. PACE [didn't find a marriage to PATE] #3 - John PATE, Sr. (b. ca. 1801) m. 19 APR 1836 in Chambers Co, AL, to Evelina BATES (b. ca. 1815) [didn't find another instance of a John or J. PATE m. to a BATES, nor instance of an Eva BATES m. to PATE] #4 - [didn't find a John or J. PATE m. to a FRENCH] #5 - John Layden PATE (b. 02 JUL 1846 Pittsburgh, Allegeney Co, PA) m. 11 JUL 1875 in Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS, to Missouri Arizona BUMGARNER (b. 07 MAR 1859 Wayne Co, IA) #6 - John Luther PATE (b. 14 FEB 1878 Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS), m. ca. 1900 in Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS, to Nancy Winnifred NEWMAN (b. ca. 1880 Wauneta, Chatauqua Co, KS) #7 - John Fletcher [sic - not Marion] PATE (30 SEP 1819 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN-01 NOV 1885) m. ca. 1844 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN to Elizabeth Emma GRISWOLD (b. ca. 1823 Rising Sun, Ohio Co, IN) #8 - [didn't find a John or J. PATE m. to KNOWLTON] By the way, the search engine for the LDS Family History site, which inlcudes a searchable 1880 census for the entire U.S., is located at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp John Mallory Land McKinney, TX

Joel, I seem to remember seeing a website on the French Surname Genealogy, maybe in connection with a DNA project. I will check. This might be a lead on the lady with the last name of French who married a Pate. Joe Hazel

Any one know the place and dates of these marriages? John Pate -------------Esther Hester Green -------------Date--------------Location John Daniel Pate ----Modena Peace----------------------Date--------------Location John Edward Pate --Eva Bates ---------------------------1904 -------------Location John Hite Pate -------Mary Elizabeth French-----------Date-------------Location John Layden Pate ---Missouri Arizona Bumgarner --11 July 1875---Location John Luther Pate ----Nancy Winnifred Newman ------1926------------Location John Marion Pate ---Emma Elizabeth Griswold -------19 June 1890--Location John Robert Pate ----Lida Knowlton ---------------------Date-------------Location

Betty - aol is blocking your mail -- sent to BltBoop@aol.com I sent you a couple of messages and they are being returned Jinks

Joel, No I do not know where the name Tinsley came from. I have often thought about it, and feel like you that it was someone last name some where down the line. If I ever hear and find where it came from, will let you know Betty

Betty: The middle name, Tinsley, in William Tinsley Pate, any idea where it might have come from? Often times, in prior generations, maternal line surnames were used as middle names for grand and great grand children. My middle name comes from a maternal gg/m. Joel McMurray Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: <BltBoop@aol.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Wm T Pate > > Joel, > > William Frederick Pate was my Great Grandfather. I have seen his son stated > as Ira Thomas and also Thomas Ira. They are one in the same. Ira Thomas and > his wife Callie had (5) children: William Tinsley, Lee Hubert (died when > about 4 yrs. old) Thomas Clyde, Walter Neal and Mary Rebecca. > > Betty L. Tenorio > >

Joel, William Frederick Pate was my Great Grandfather. I have seen his son stated as Ira Thomas and also Thomas Ira. They are one in the same. Ira Thomas and his wife Callie had (5) children: William Tinsley, Lee Hubert (died when about 4 yrs. old) Thomas Clyde, Walter Neal and Mary Rebecca. Betty L. Tenorio