Hi Joel - Concerning your reply of Nov. 2003. There have been so many if's in finding my grandfather Robert H. Pate. If anyone could check records for Kansas City Missouri, and/or Kansas City Illinois after 1930 either marriage or death or any other type record it would really help me eliminate that area. As to his work I just don't know what he could do since my father was so young when he left. I do know that my father W.B. Pate and his brother Raymond did some railroad work as laborers when they were in their teens. Thank You for having this venue for all of us looking into our past. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: "Bob Pate" <rpate@bellsouth.net>; <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] My Grandfather > Bob: > Robert H Pate age 54 and family were enumerated in Curry, Putnam Co West > Virginia in the 1930 census. The enumeration was made 19 Apr 1930. > Citation: Enumeration District 40-5, sheet 7B, Curry Twsp, site 128/128. > I'd say that he was in Curry, WV for at least the first quarter of 1930. > His occupation was listed as Farmer, apparently self employed on a truck > farm. > > Here is a wild lead for you- > The English and Canadians had decennial censuses, BUT they made them, not on > the decade year, e.g., 1850, but on the first year, e.g., 1851. I think > that the pattern has continued. So there MAY be a Canadian census for 1931. > IF so and IF it is available and IF Robert H Pate was in Canada and IF he > was enumerated, you MAY be able to trace him. > > Do you know if he continued working at farming or related work? > > Joel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Pate" <rpate@bellsouth.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:55 PM > Subject: [PATE] My Grandfather > > > > I posted this information a couple of years ago and have exhausted most of > the ways to locate him. Jinks has looked a few times and thought it would > be good to re-visit, maybe someone can help now. > > > > My grandfather Robert Harvey Pate was b.12-22-1876 in Wv. He married > Gillie Paul, his father was Jabe B.L. Pate b. 3-3-1847, in Va., his mother > was Martha Perkins b. 1848-1850. > > Robert and Gillie had 11 children. About 1930 he left his family and his > farm to find work. Some older aunts and uncles indicated that he might have > called from Kansas or Missouri (Kansas City). There was also a rumor that > he had called from Canada. > > If anyone has found a Pate about that age and cannot connect him to a > family or if their family started about 1930 or later please contact me. > > > > Thank you > > > > Bob Pate + rpate@bellsouth.net > > > > > > > > >

Thanks very much Joel.

Thank you Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Juno.com Scam Currently there are 210 researchers subscribed of PATE-L/PATE-D. Five (5) subscribers use Juno.com as their e-mail editor. If any of you receive an e-mail, with one or more attachments, from Juno.com warning you that your service is to be disabled because of improper use, DO NOT OPEN the attachments. DO NOT PROVIDE personal information. You are urged to forward the e-mail to abuse@Juno.com and to delete the e-mail from your e-mail "Inbox" folder and then delete the "Deleted" file folder contents. This scam is known as phishing. The bad guys are fishing for personal information like credit card numbers, social security numbers, addresses, passwords and the like. They can use this data to steal your identity and good credit. Be cautious. Joel Pate Administrator PATE-L Tallahassee, FL

Currently there are 210 researchers subscribed of PATE-L/PATE-D. Five (5) subscribers use Juno.com as their e-mail editor. If any of you receive an e-mail, with one or more attachments, from Juno.com warning you that your service is to be disabled because of improper use, DO NOT OPEN the attachments. DO NOT PROVIDE personal information. You are urged to forward the e-mail to abuse@Juno.com and to delete the e-mail from your e-mail "Inbox" folder and then delete the "Deleted" file folder contents. This scam is known as phishing. The bad guys are fishing for personal information like credit card numbers, social security numbers, addresses, passwords and the like. They can use this data to steal your identity and good credit. Be cautious. Joel Pate Administrator PATE-L Tallahassee, FL

Sharon - sorry about that - the records are from Henry Co, GA --not AL. Jinks

Joel - the answer to some of your questions -- Deed records of Henry Co, AL - DB L, p 506 dated 11 Jan 1848 list the Legatees of Estate of William Pate, dec'd - signed by John Pate, Aaron Pate, Lovet Hinton, Charles Hulsey, William Shaw, William Pate, Thomas Pate and 7 children of Rebecca Pate & Jennings Hulsey. The maiden name of Mary, 2nd wife of John Pate is not known -- she md after John Pate died to John W Huff on 15 Feb 1860 in St Clair Co, AL. The children of John Pate, by his first and second marriage, are listed in his Will dated 15 Aug 1855 in St Clair Co, AL Says his 7 oldest children live outside state of AL and 3 youngest live with Mother, Mary in St Clair Co, AL. John Pate evidently went to Texas sometime before Oct 1837 -- Angelina Co, TX DB P, p 621 shows he patented 1,280 ac of land - proved he arrived in the Republic prior to 1 Oct 1837 and is a married man and entitled to 1,280 ac. There are several law suits over this land by the children of his first marriage - Part of the land was in Angelina Co and part in Jasper Co, TX - wish I had the records from Jasper Co - it may shed some more light on this family. Jinks

Joel - I have the following on W C N Pate marriages DeSoto Par, LA - Md 18 Oct 1847 Bk A, p 42; W C N Pate & Malana Hatcher Attest: H H Womack and J B Camp Van Zandt Co, TX - Md 30 Jul 1874 Bk B, p 339; W C N Pate & Mrs Caroline Monk I have been to the Smith Co and Van Zandt Co, TX Courthouses, but found no marriage record for W C N & Winnie - I wonder if she could have been a relative keeping house for him after Malana died??? But that does leave the question of who Joseph Pate's (b. 1871) mother was. Jinks

William Charles Newton Pate appears to have married three times-- 1st to Melena Hatcher in De Soto Par., LA abt 1848 2nd to Winnie (?) perhaps in Smith Co., TX between 1860 and 1874 3rd to Caroline Monk in Van Zandt Co., TX 30 Jun 1874 William Charles Newton Pate was enumerated 1850 DeSoto Par., LA, 1860 and 1870 Smith Co TX and 1880 Van Zandt Co., TX. His children APPEAR to be: 1. Ruphina Pate (f) b ca 1848 DeSoto Par., LA (Perhaps Ruphina Burnice or Burnice Ruphina) 2. Isham Pate b ca 1854 TX 3. Amarinda Pate b ca 1859 TX 4. John Pate b ca 1864 TX 5. Joseph Pate b ca Mar 1871 Smith* Co., TX (Perhaps Joseph Newton Pate) 6. William Pate b ca 1875 Smith or Van Zandt Co., TX Anyone have proof of his marriages? Joel

Elizabeth "Betsey" Pate married William Shaw 27 May 1814 in Morgan Co GA. They subsequently relocated to Coosa Co AL where he made application for a pension based on his military service. Does anyone have a copy or an abstract of his pension application? Joel

Joel's reference to the Cherokee Land lottery reminded me of some information I sent to Pate-L a long time ago about land Samuel Pate owned at the time of his death in Twiggs Co GA. A notice in the Georgia Journal indicated Samuel Pate's administrator selling land in Murray county but did not give section number. When looking this up in the original land lottery books I looked in the WRONG section and later sent the information to Pate-L. After consulting Smith's 1838 book on the Cherokee Land Lottery containing maps showing which section became Murray Co, etc, I should have looked in Sec 3 instead of Sec 2. However, Smith's 1838 book gives the original drawer of the land as Rebecca Connel (wid) and the original microfilm DEFINITELY says "Caudle." 9 May 1849. Georgia Journal. Adm'r sale, Aug 1849, Spring Place, Murray Co Ga; James Averett adm'r Samuel Pate; undivided hf #182 8th dist; by order of Inferior court, Twiggs Co GA [1832 LAND LOTTERY: #182, SEC 3 DIST 8 WAS GRANTED TO REBECCA CAUDLE (WID) WILL'S DIST, TWIGGS CO & GRANTED TO HER 11 MAY 1836 [NOTE THAT PREVIOUS ABSTRACT WAS WRONG--I HAD LOOKED UP WRONG SECTION] [GDAH 286/49] **** ALSO NOTE THAT THE ADJOINING LOT #183, 8TH DIST, 3RD SECTION CHEROKEE CO WAS DRAWN BY JOSEPH MARTIN, WILL'S DIST, TWIGGS CO & GRANTED TO HIM 22 NOV 1832--JOSEPH MARTIN HAD LAND IN TWIGGS COUNTY ADJOINING SAMUEL PATE ON 1833 TAX DIGEST I think this information is important to Samuel Pate researchers because of the land being "undivided" at the time of Samuel Pate's death. Samuel Pate acquired this land sometime between Rebecca Caudle's 11 May 1836 grant and his death prior to 20 July 1848. According to the 1833 Tax Digest Twiggs Co GA Capt FULGHAM'S Dist (was Will's Dist in 1830) PATE, SAMUEL 202 1/2 acres/ 800 acres pine/Twiggs/ adj. MYRICK/ big Sandy Creek MARTIN, JOSEPH 3 slaves/ 40 acres/ 180 acres pine/Twiggs & others/ adj PATE/big Sandy Creek [NOTE: Joseph Martin's "40 acres" is probably the 40 acres granted to Joseph Martin Wills dist Twiggs Co #183 8th dist 3rd Sec Cherokee county 22 Nov 1832; This 40 acres joins the 40 acres granted to Rebecca Caudle (wid) Wills Dist Twiggs Co #182, 8th dist 3rd sec Cherokee county 11 May 1836 (Drawn by her 1832)] Another point of interest is the fact that in Sept 1839, Samuel Pate is serving as admnistrator of Holliday H Harrell. In 1837 JOSEPH MARTIN had been serving as the administrator of the same person. Baldwin Co Ga Newspaper Clippings Vol III 1837-1839, Tad Evans. p299 3 Sept 1839 GA/Twiggs Co: Wbs at ct house door in sd count 1st Tue Dec nx, all property belonging to estate of HOLLIDAY H HARRALL, late of sd co dec'd. Sold to benefit heirs & creditors of sd estate. (s) SAMUEL PATE Adm. [p86 & 94... JOSEPH MARTIN as administrator of HOLLIDAY H. HARRALL 24 Oct 1837] Some big unanswered questions are were Samuel Pate and Joseph Martin related in any way or were they just neighbors and friends? Is there any significance to them both serving as admnistrators of Holliday H Harrall? When, how, why did Samuel Pate acquire the Cherokee (now Murray Co) land formerly owned by Rebecca Caudle (wid) and who was Rebecca Caudle anyway? Who was the co-owner of the land at the time of Samuel Pate's death? If anyone should ever find any of these answers, please contact me. Sorry for posting the previous incorrect information to the list, Lindy Hard

While looking through the 1900 Yancey County, NC census I ran across a Pate family that I can’t identify. Hopefully some members of the list will be able to help. Egypt Township, Yancey County, North Carolina, Supervisor District #9, Enumeration District# 124. Visit # 92, Household # 95, Enumerated on 8 June 1900 by William F. Howard Pate, Doctor F, Head, Male, Sep, 1873, 26, Married 6 years NC/NC/NC Pate, Mary J., Wife, Female, Sep, 1873, 26, Married 6 years NC/NC/NC, mother of 4 with 3 living Pate, John, Son, Male, Apr, 1894, 5, Single, NC/NC/NC Pate, William M, Son, Male, Apr, 1896, 4, Single, NC/NC/NC Pate, Dollie S., Dau, Female, Aug, 1899, 10/12, Single, NC/NC/NC Doctor F. Pate is the son of Marcellus Pate. On the same page: Visit #94, Household #97, Enumerated on 8 June 1900 by William F. Howard Wilson, William, Head, Male, Oct, 1874, 25, Married 11 years, NC/NC/NC Wilson, Lucinda, Wife, Female, Feb, 1871, 26, Married 11 years, NC/NC/NC, mother of 5 with 5 living. Wilson, Armis E, Dau, Female, Sep, 1890, 9, Single, NC/NC/NC Wilson, Thomas A, Son, Male, Sep, 1892, 7, Single, NC/NC/NC Wilson, Nellie J, Dau, Female, Nov, 1894, 5, Single, NC/NC/NC Wilson, William I, Son, Male, June, 1896, 3, Single, NC/NC/NC Wilson, Charles R, Son, Male, June, 1898, 1, Single, NC/NC/NC Pate, Evelyn, Mother-In-Law, Female, Unk, 1845, 55, Single,NC/ NC/ NC/ Invalid, mother of 1 with 1 living Does anyone know who she is? My first inclination was that Evelyn was Eveline Robertson Pate because of the similarity of the name. Eveline was the second wife of George Washington Pate. Further investigation shows: Ramseytown Township, Yancey County, North Carolina, Supervisor District #9, Enumeration District# 128. Visit # 201, Household # 203, Enumerated on 13 & 14 June 1900 by W. M. McIntosh Pate, George, Head, Male, June 1823, 76, married 29 years, NC/NC/NC Pate, Eveline, Wife, Female, May 1851, 49, married 29 years, NC/NC/NC, mother of 5 with 3 living. Pate, Merrit, Son, Male, June 1884, 15, Single, NC/NC/NC Pate, Martha J., Dau, Female, Apr 1881, 19, Single, NC/NC/NC Pate, Turner, Son, Male, May 1888, 12, Single, NC/NC/NC Eveline was 22 and George was 53 when they married in 1872. The numbers in the 1900 census are a reasonably close match. The loss of the 1890 census makes this a tough one for me. I cannot find either Evelyn Pate or Lucinda Pate in or near Yancey County in 1880. I did find a Lucinda Peid, born about 1871, in Beaufort, North Carolina, however she is of a different race. William Wilson creates another set of problems that do not need to be addressed here. Am I overlooking something? Does anyone know who Evelyn Pate is or her maiden name. Does anyone have other ideas? Thanks, Janice Pate Please respect the privacy of other people; do not submit information on living individuals without their permission. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

BACKGROUND: Patrick Jefferson Pate was born 4 Oct 1826 probably in Washington Co GA. He was the son of John W Pate and Charity (Cherry) Whitfield. Patrick Jefferson Pate married Martha Ann Moye 13 Mar 1847 in Washington Co GA Their children Elizabeth Rebecca Pate b 4 Sep 1848 James Kendrick Pate b 26 Nov 1850 Cherry Jones Pate 21 Nov 1852 Patrick Jefferson Pate, his wife Martha Ann Moye Pate and daughter Elizabeth Rebecca Pate were enumerated in the 1850 census of Washington Co GA. Some time after the 1850 census Patrick Jefferson Pate and family relocated to the Ringgold, Catoosa Co., GA area. Patrick Jefferson Pate apparently died in Catoosa Co., GA and his widow and children returned to Washington Co. On 18 Oct 1855 his widow, Martha Ann Moye Pate, married Harris A. Brantley in Washington Co GA. Elizabeth Rebecca Pate and Cherry Jones Pate were incorrectly enumerated as Brantley in the 1860 census of Washington Co GA. The 1832 Gold Lottery of Georgia distributed 40 acre lots in the Cherokee land cession in north west GA. This very large county (Cherokee) was subsequently divided into a number of counties. In 1853 Catoosa County GA was created from Walker and Whitfield counties in the old Cherokee Co area.. John W. Pate, the father of Patrick Jefferson Pate won a lot in the 1832 Gold Land Lottery. He won Lot 688, District 17, Section 3. Redding Pate, and uncle of Patrick Jefferson Pate, also won a lot in the 1832 Gold Land Lottery. He won lot 560, District 15, Section 2. QUESTIONS: Where is Patrick Jefferson Pate buried? Is there a record of his death? What drew him to Catoosa Co GA? Did John W Pate and Redding Pate ever perfect title to the lots they won in the 1832 Gold Land Lottery? If so, what if any, role did Patrick Jefferson Pate play in this land transaction? Where were these lots?

I have a picture of John T & Mar C Pate Perdue and family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Nathan Green Pate md Fraces P Perdue > We have a new subscriber Leigh Perdue Malinowski who writes-- > > I am at this time, looking for 2 different Pate's. > > 1)Nathaniel Green Pate 1845-1901 > m: 27 Feb 1872 > Frances P. Perdue 1846-1921 > > 2) Mary C. "Hette" Pate 07 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 > m: 26 Oct 1871 > John Thomas Perdue 06 Nov 1859 -? > > John and France are sister & Brother. > > Leigh PERDUE Malinowski >

According to papers sent to me. Nathan Green Pate b 13 Oct 1845 d 14 Sep 1901 Jefferson Co Ga was the son of Nathan and Mary G Andrews. Also have Bible pages. Nathan Pate was the son of Drury & Betsey Thorpe. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Nathan Green Pate 1845-1901 > Nathan Green Pate 13 Oct 1845-14 Sep 1901 married Frances "Minnie" Perdue 1846-2 Jul 1921. > They married in Jefferson Co GA 27 Feb 1872. They are buried at Stapleton Bapt Church Cemetery in Jefferson County GA. There is some basis to believe that her name was Francis Minerva Perdue. > > He was a Confederate Soldier. Both apparently received a pension for his service. The following is an abstract of her application file-- > Pate, N. G. (Mrs.) Jefferson Co., GA Widow's Pension Application Widow of N. G. Pate, Co I 5th GA Regt GA Militia Infantry 1919 Married 27th Feb 1872 Jefferson Co Husband Enlisted May 1864, Warrenton, Ga, Co I 5th Ga Reg Georgia Military Infantry Command discharged 1864 Augusta, GA Husband not present, at home wounded in the hand Husband died Sept 14th 1901, Stapleton, Jefferson Co, GA Application signed 25th Aug 1919 Witness to application-- W. E. English Application for Pension due Deceased Pensioner For Mrs. N. G. Pate, Jefferson Co Died July 2nd 1921 T. R. Pate, 14 Oct 1921 > > T R Pate is their son Thomas Roger Pate 14 Mar 1880-29 Oct 1944, also buried at Stapleton > > Mary Cornelia Pate 7 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 married John Thomas Perdue 6 Nov 1850 -? > They married 26 Oct 1871 in Warren Co GA > Grave marker at Scuggs Cemetery, Warren Co GA has birth and death dates for her, but > only birth date for him. [John Thomas Perdue died, per GA Death Index, 4 Oct 1952 in > Jefferson Co at age 94] The 1900 census has his birth as Nov 1849 > > Nathan Green Pate and Mary Cornelia Pate were PROBABLY siblings and were the children of Nathan G Pate and Mary Gabriella Andrews of Warren Co GA > > > > > > > >

Nathan Green Pate 13 Oct 1845-14 Sep 1901 married Frances "Minnie" Perdue 1846-2 Jul 1921. They married in Jefferson Co GA 27 Feb 1872. They are buried at Stapleton Bapt Church Cemetery in Jefferson County GA. There is some basis to believe that her name was Francis Minerva Perdue. He was a Confederate Soldier. Both apparently received a pension for his service. The following is an abstract of her application file-- Pate, N. G. (Mrs.) Jefferson Co., GA Widow's Pension Application Widow of N. G. Pate, Co I 5th GA Regt GA Militia Infantry 1919 Married 27th Feb 1872 Jefferson Co Husband Enlisted May 1864, Warrenton, Ga, Co I 5th Ga Reg Georgia Military Infantry Command discharged 1864 Augusta, GA Husband not present, at home wounded in the hand Husband died Sept 14th 1901, Stapleton, Jefferson Co, GA Application signed 25th Aug 1919 Witness to application-- W. E. English Application for Pension due Deceased Pensioner For Mrs. N. G. Pate, Jefferson Co Died July 2nd 1921 T. R. Pate, 14 Oct 1921 T R Pate is their son Thomas Roger Pate 14 Mar 1880-29 Oct 1944, also buried at Stapleton Mary Cornelia Pate 7 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 married John Thomas Perdue 6 Nov 1850 -? They married 26 Oct 1871 in Warren Co GA Grave marker at Scuggs Cemetery, Warren Co GA has birth and death dates for her, but only birth date for him. [John Thomas Perdue died, per GA Death Index, 4 Oct 1952 in Jefferson Co at age 94] The 1900 census has his birth as Nov 1849 Nathan Green Pate and Mary Cornelia Pate were PROBABLY siblings and were the children of Nathan G Pate and Mary Gabriella Andrews of Warren Co GA

Warren, Jefferson and Glascock County Georgia Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pate, Diana / Danny" <dannypate@alltel.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Nathan Green Pate md Fraces P Perdue > Where did they live??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:00 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Nathan Green Pate md Fraces P Perdue > > > We have a new subscriber Leigh Perdue Malinowski who writes-- > > I am at this time, looking for 2 different Pate's. > > 1)Nathaniel Green Pate 1845-1901 > m: 27 Feb 1872 > Frances P. Perdue 1846-1921 > > 2) Mary C. "Hette" Pate 07 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 > m: 26 Oct 1871 > John Thomas Perdue 06 Nov 1859 -? > > John and France are sister & Brother. > > Leigh PERDUE Malinowski > > >

Where did they live??? -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:00 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Nathan Green Pate md Fraces P Perdue We have a new subscriber Leigh Perdue Malinowski who writes-- I am at this time, looking for 2 different Pate's. 1)Nathaniel Green Pate 1845-1901 m: 27 Feb 1872 Frances P. Perdue 1846-1921 2) Mary C. "Hette" Pate 07 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 m: 26 Oct 1871 John Thomas Perdue 06 Nov 1859 -? John and France are sister & Brother. Leigh PERDUE Malinowski

We have a new subscriber Leigh Perdue Malinowski who writes-- I am at this time, looking for 2 different Pate's. 1)Nathaniel Green Pate 1845-1901 m: 27 Feb 1872 Frances P. Perdue 1846-1921 2) Mary C. "Hette" Pate 07 Jul 1851-21 Apr 1916 m: 26 Oct 1871 John Thomas Perdue 06 Nov 1859 -? John and France are sister & Brother. Leigh PERDUE Malinowski

A Victorian album with old photographs was sold on e-Bay in an offering that closed Sunday 21 March 2004. The items were offered by a seller in Jacksonville, FL. Among the photographs was one of a man, a women and a child. Written on the back of the photo was "Aunt Lizzie Pate" "Uncle Dan Pate" "Edna Pate (child)" A Pate-L subscriber made a .jpeg image of the photo. If anyone recognizes the names, please respond to this note. Thanks Joel

Meredith: You may find some of your answers at the Madison County Records Center http://www.co.madison.al.us/mcrc/ I seem to recall reading that the marriage of Zachariah Rucker was recorded as Burke A compiler named Dorothy Scott Johnson did a two-volume cemetery survey for about half the county. The Library of Congress profile -- LCCN 78-111526 Cemeteries of Madison County, Alabama : a record of the tombstone inscriptions in all known white cemeteries in the west half of Madison County, Alabama, except Memory Garden / by Dorothy Scott Johnson. Huntsville, AL There may be other, more recent and more inclusive, studies, but I've not run across them. The Huntsville-Madison County Library in Huntsville, which you can not do justice to in two hours, has a very large genealogical section. http://www.hpl.lib.al.us/ Check out their "Heritage Room". If you are looking for Pate families in this area, do not skip Giles Co TN, which adjoins Madison Co AL. Look especially close at an area in Giles Co TN known as Cold Water Creek. Some of the Pate families in Giles Co TN MAY have ties back to VA and down to Monroe Co MS and back to Tuscaloosa and Pickens Co AL. Note the MAY have. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Sheridan" <dsheridan1@ec.rr.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Rucker/Pate/Thurman marriages > Deborah has sent me a Thurman Rucker marriage in Madison Co Al. John Thurman md Nancy Rucker on Sept 9, 1819. This John Thurman was supposedly the son of Jesse and Mary Montgomery Thurman. Susan Pate (bn 1805 and considered the sister of my Eliz Ann Pate bn 1800(( married 1819 Madison Co AL to Henderson Clarke bn1797 KY))- both girls bn TN)is married Madison Co to Zach Rucker. Andrew Jackson Pate bn Madison Co, Al to Stephen Pate and Jane Milliken, marries Martha Susan Thurman (first husband Bell)in Dyer Co Tn. Eliz Ann Pate Clark's grandson (I think it was Ferinand F. S. Dawson-son of Col William Dawson )marries a Thurman girl after the civil war. At this point all are Cumberland Presbyterian. Can anyone tell me where in Madison Co the Thurmans, Ruckers, Dawsons (in the 1840s Col Billy took his young fiance off to Madison Co to marry-ran off they said), Clarkes, and Pates may have married?? Church, ministers book or is there a cemetery to the north of Huntsville wher! > e these families are intermingled??? Thanks Meredith > >