The following are abstracts of Pate data appearing in the Federal Union newspaper 10 July 1830-July 1833, published at Milledgeville, Baldwin Co GA. The paper contained legal notices and sheriff sales, news, etc. from a widespread area of GA. These abstracts have been made by me from microfilm recently. There is a published book of abstracts of this newspater under the heading of Union Recorder [exact title not remembered] which is available at some large libraries. 10 July 1830 List of Letters Remaining in the Post Office at Monticello, Ga. [JASPER CO, GA] 1st July 1830 Pate, Elijah 7 July 1831 List of Letters remaining in the Post Office at Monticello [JASPER CO., GA] on 1st July 1831 . Elijah Pate. . Rev. John F. Wethersbee. 14 July 1831 Letters remaining at the Post office at Lawrenceville, Gwinnett county, Ga on 1st July 1831. James Pate, James Pate, jun.. 21 July 1831 A List of Letters Remaining in the Post office at Louisville, Ga [JEFFERSON CO, GA] on 1st day July 1831. Mrs. Chloe Payte 12 Jan 1832 NOTICE. Lost, on the road leading from IRWINTON, WILKINSON COUNTY, to MILLEDGEVILLE, on the 16th inst, a small deer leather foalding [sic] Pocket Book, tied round with the same kind of leather, with one 50 dollar bill, 2 twenty dollar bills, one ten dollar bill on the State Bank of Georgia, and one ten dollar bill on the Macon Bank, making $110, the number of neither of the bills recollected at present, with one State's warrant, issued in Stewart county; two accounts, one of 32 dollars and 75 cents, the other of thirty dollars; one receipt for $145 received of the subscriber, with several other small papers of various denominations not recollected. Any person finding the same will deliver it to SAMUEL WILLIAMS or THOMAS PATE the members from STEWART COUNTY, or to JOSEPH RILEY, living in WILKINSON COUNTY, will confer a favor on the subscriber and their sincere friend, with the addition of a reward of Twenty dollars. J. D. RILEY. December 27th, 1831. 25-3t. 12 Jan 1832 List of Letters remaining in the Post office at Louisville, Ga [JEFFERSON CO, GA]1st Jan 1832. John Patt 12 Jan 1832 List of Letters remaining in the Post Office at Monticello [JASPER CO, GA]1st Jan 1832. Johnson Pate 19 Apr 1832 ESTRAY.-Georgia, Twiggs county.-Samuel Bat of Capt. Willis' Dist. tolled before me an Estray Horse supposed to be sixteen years old, about 4 feet 8 inches high, rather a Dark Bay, hip shoten on the right hip, some white hairs on his back, occasioned by the saddle-Appraised by William A. Cowen and Kinchen Martin, to twenty dollars. JOSEPH MARTIN, J.P. A true extract taken from the Estray Book. JOSHUA M. THIGPEN, C.I.C. April 9, 1832. [This might possibly be Samuel Pate of Twiggs Co GA. He and a JOSEPH MARTIN were living in Capt. Will's district at this time. No known Capt. Willis dist or a Samuel Bat [Batt or Bate] in Twiggs county at this time.] 25 Oct 1832 List of Letters remaining in the Post Office at Louisville, Ga [JEFFERSON CO., GA] on 1st Oct 1832 Mrs. Cloe Payte 25 Oct 1832 List of Letters remaining in the Post Office at Decatur, DeKalb county, Georgia, if not taken out before the first of July next, will be forwarded to the General Post Office as dead Letters, 1st Oct 1832 Patty, John 27 Dec 1832 Tax collector's sale. Will be sold on 1st Tue in March next.at the court house in M'Donough, Henry county, the following property, or so much thereof as will satisfy the following amount of tax and cost: . Two hundred two and a half acres of land, number fifty-four, in the sixth district of Henry county-sold as the property of Aaron Pate: tax due $1 06 ¼ and cost 62 ½ cents. 10 Jan 1833 List of Letters remaining in the Post Office at Louisville, Ga [JEFFERSON CO., GA]on 1st day of January 1833 and if not taken out before the 1st day of April next, will be sent to the Post Office Department as dead letters. P.-Archy Payott. 31 Jan 1833 JONES SHERIFF SALE.-will be sold on 1st Tuesday in March next, at the courthouse in Clinton, Jones county. One negro girl named Cela, eight or nine years old-levied on as the property of David Pate to satisfy five executions issued from a Justice's Court, two in favor of Matthew A. Marshall against David Pate, and Peter L. Neal and Mark Patterson as securities, one in favor of Joshua Davis against David Pate, one in favor of John Davis against said Pate, and one other in favor of John Long against said Pate, property levied on and returned to me by William Coulter, constable. Conditions cash. CHARLES R. EATON, D. Sheriff. January 29. 21 Mar 1833 Georgia, DeKalb county, Whereas, Miles Patty, executor of the estate of William Paty, late of said county, dec'd, applies for letters of dismission from said estate. Given under my hand this 4th March, 1833, E. B. Reynolds, c.c.o. 25 Apr 1833 Jones Sheriff's Sale-on the 1st Tue in June next, will, within the legal hours, be sold, at the court-house in Clinton, Jones county, One negro girl, named Celia, eight or nine years old-levied on as the property of David Pate, to satisfy ten fi fas all issued from a justice's court in favor of John Walker and others; levy made and returned to me by William Coulter constable. Terms, cash. April 23 WILLIAM BARRON, sheriff.

Found this transcripton on a website at http://www.biblerecords.com/pate.html Pate Bible This Bible was submitted by Faye at fdy13@home.com The following records were copied from Volume 29096, Georgia Genealogical Records, submitted to DAR 1933. These records were reproduced and indexed my me in 2001. This book can be found at the DAR Library in Washington, DC. The transcription is as correct as possible.The information contained in these records is the only information I have on these families. SURNAMES: PATE BOATRIGHT STETSON BROWN WILLIS DUNCAN PREVATT TAYLOR STEELE DENNARD CAREY TURNER ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- PATE BIBLE (owned by Mrs. Marion Turner, Hawkinsville, Ga.) MARRIAGES. John H. Pate was married to Zilphia A. Boatright, Dec. 28, 1848. James D. Stetson was married to Eugenia S. Pate, May 29, 1872. Robert O. Pate to Minnie E. Brown, May 5, 1875. McClendon Pate to Mattie Willis, Dec. 10, 1878. Rolla A. Pate to Lila Duncan, Oct. 24, 1894. Josiah Warren Pate to Lula Prevatt, 1888. Mary Frances Pate to Robert J. Taylor, 1885. Anna Elizabeth Pate to William B. Steele. BIRTHS. Children of Major John H. Pate and Zilphia A. Boatright Pate: Robert Oscar Pate, born December 2, 1849. Eugenia S. Pate, born January 28, 1852. McClendon Pate, born February 3, 1854. Lucius Redding Pate, born February 21, 1856. Anna Elizabeth Pate, born December 28, 1857. Mary Frances Pate, born December 6, 1859. John Manning Pate, born January 7, 1862. Minnie Lee Pate, born December 6, 1864. Josiah Warren Pate, born September 7, 1866. Rolla Anthony Pate, born January 7, 1869. Katie Cooper Pate, born May 5, 1871. John Lucius Pate, born August 30, 1875. DEATHS. Lucius Redding Pate died November 15, 1869. John Manning Pate died October 17, 1870. Minnie Lee Pate died June 21, 1871. Kate Cooper Pate died August 25, 1871. Robert Oscar Pate died February 1, 1930. Grand children of Major John H. Pate and Zilphia Ann Pate: John McClendon Pate, born April 9, 1876. Eugenia Moreland Pate, born January 4, 1878. Robert Oscar Pate, born May 13, 1880. Glenmore Brown Pate, born March 14, 1882. Minnie Estelle Pate, born April 22, 1884. Edward Tooke Pate, born September 2, 1887. Charles Stetson Pate, born January 3, 1894. Clinton D. Pate, born July 5, 1897. John Stetson Pate, born February 5, 1897. Rolla Anthony Pate, Jr. born October 7, 1899. Lila Duncan Pate, born May 19, 1902. Jim Pope Pate, born May 31, 1904. William Bunn Pate, born January 5, 1911. Minnie Estelle Pate married Dr. Dennard, April 14 ______ (missing) Minnie Estelle Pate married Dr. Carey, Nov. 23, 1917. Children of Marion and Eugenia Pate Turner : (Married Dec. 18, 1901). Marion Turner, born December 6, 1902. Minnie Estelle Turner, born September 23, 1904. Martha Claudia Turner, born April 6, 1907. Robert Pate Turner, born January 17, 1910. Thomas Hudson Turner, born March 4, 1915. Eugenia Pate Turner, born January 5, 1918. Children of Edward and Jennie Belle Taylor Pate: Edward Tooke Pate, Jr. born December 19, 1913. Virginia Pate, born February 15, 1919. Children of Robert and Julia Coney Pate: Frank Coney Pate, born Sept. 22, 1915. Julia Pate, born Dec. 26, 1921. Mary Ann Pate, born Aug 14, 1924. Caryn Pate, born Oct. 8, 1927. Grandcildren of Marion and Eugenia Pate Turner: Julia Ann Minton, born May 25, 1929. Gerald Erambert, Jr., born Nov. 1, 1928

For anyone who may be interested, Martha Virginia (PATE PITTMAN) CHEATHAM (b. 04 APR 1918 Phenix City, Russell Co, AL), most recently of Montgomery, AL, passed away on 30 APR 2004. Martha was the daughter of Robert Jesse & Myrtis Elna (PHILLIPS) PATE, Robert being the son of John & Martha Ann (WEATHERS) PATE of Muscogee and Chattahoochee Cos, GA. I have posted a copy of Martha's obituary on the PATE message board at Rootsweb and will be glad to email a copy to anyone who wishes to have one. John Mallory Land McKinney, TX retrofit@flash.net

Horace: Thanks. The Travis Pate I'm looking for was born after 1920 or 1930 and died in 1967. He perhaps was from the Pee-Dee River, Soap Creek and Tuscaloosa-Pickens Co lines, but I can say until I get more on him. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horace B. Peele" <horace@peele.info> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Travis Pate d 1967 > Descendants of Travis Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Travis7 Pate (Willoughby6, Shadrack5, Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, > Thomas1) was born Mar 16, 1827, and died Aug 10, 1894. He married Angeline > "Ann" Adams, daughter of John Adams and Julia Newton. She was born Jun 01, > 1825, and died Jun 19, 1907. > > > Children of Travis Pate and Angeline Adams are: > > 2 i. John Adams8 Pate, died Unknown. He married Jennie McCall Unknown; born > Unknown; died Unknown. > > 3 ii. Emily Adams Pate, born Mar 16, 1854; died Apr 24, 1900. She married > (1) William M. Pate; born May 22, 1851; died Jan 04, 1888 in McLucas > Cemetery, Clio, SC. She married (2) William Thomas Jones Jan 27, 1889 in > Hebron Church near Bennettsville, SC; born Sep 10, 1854; died Jun 10, 1915. > > Maybe from this line?????? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:53 PM > Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Travis Pate d 1967 > > > Anyone have a lead on Travis Pate who was killed at the Corinth, Alcorn Co, > MS Courthouse in 1967? > He was married to Betty Faye Garrette. He was a relatively young man when > he died. He has family ties to Red Bay, Franklin County, AL. He was not > Travis Pate 1928-2001, son of Melvin B Pate. > > Anyone have access to the microfilm collection of the Alcorn County > Genealogical Society [ACGS]? > The ACGS has the entire 1967 Daily Corinthian newspaper on film. > > Joel > > > > >

Anyone have a lead on Travis Pate who was killed at the Corinth, Alcorn Co, MS Courthouse in 1967? He was married to Betty Faye Garrette. He was a relatively young man when he died. He has family ties to Red Bay, Franklin County, AL. He was not Travis Pate 1928-2001, son of Melvin B Pate. Anyone have access to the microfilm collection of the Alcorn County Genealogical Society [ACGS]? The ACGS has the entire 1967 Daily Corinthian newspaper on film. Joel

Descendants of Travis Pate Generation No. 1 1. Travis7 Pate (Willoughby6, Shadrack5, Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born Mar 16, 1827, and died Aug 10, 1894. He married Angeline "Ann" Adams, daughter of John Adams and Julia Newton. She was born Jun 01, 1825, and died Jun 19, 1907. Children of Travis Pate and Angeline Adams are: 2 i. John Adams8 Pate, died Unknown. He married Jennie McCall Unknown; born Unknown; died Unknown. 3 ii. Emily Adams Pate, born Mar 16, 1854; died Apr 24, 1900. She married (1) William M. Pate; born May 22, 1851; died Jan 04, 1888 in McLucas Cemetery, Clio, SC. She married (2) William Thomas Jones Jan 27, 1889 in Hebron Church near Bennettsville, SC; born Sep 10, 1854; died Jun 10, 1915. Maybe from this line?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Travis Pate d 1967 Anyone have a lead on Travis Pate who was killed at the Corinth, Alcorn Co, MS Courthouse in 1967? He was married to Betty Faye Garrette. He was a relatively young man when he died. He has family ties to Red Bay, Franklin County, AL. He was not Travis Pate 1928-2001, son of Melvin B Pate. Anyone have access to the microfilm collection of the Alcorn County Genealogical Society [ACGS]? The ACGS has the entire 1967 Daily Corinthian newspaper on film. Joel

Thomas Pate md Sarah E Rutledge in Henry Co GA 21 Oct 1845 1850 Fayette Co GA Page 14, District 29, site 203/211 THOMAS PATE------46 W/M GA 1804 SARAH E PATE------24 W/F SC 1826 WILLIAM F PATE---16 W/M GA 1834 LOUISA A PATE-----13 W/F GA 1837 MADISON M PATE--11 W/M GA 1839 SUSAN C PATE----- 2 W/F GA 1848 THOMAS J PATE----3m W/M GA 1850 Sarah E Pate is obviously a 2nd wife and was not the mother of William F Pate, Louisa A Pate and Madison M Pate 1850 Fayette Co GA Slave Schedule P 479 THOMAS PATE Dist 29 - 1 B/F AGE 65 P 479 Wm, LOUISA, & M PATE Dist 29 - 1 Mu/M AGE 28 [William F Pate, Louisa Pate and Madison M Pate] Thomas Pate b GA 1804 apparently died after 1854 and prior to 1860 census. His widow, Susan E Rutledge, was enumerated in Walton Co GA 1860 Walton Co GA Page 1051/162, Tanners Store, site 1018/1018 S E Pate---------36 W/F SC 1824 Pauper Susan Pate-----12 W/F GA 1848 Thomas Pate- 10 W/M GA 1850 Mary Pate------ 5 W/F GA 1855 Sarah E Rutledge Pate was enumerated in 1870 Gwinnett Co GA Page 152, Auburn, site 561/551 Sarah E Pate----45 W/F GA 1825 Susan C Pate----21 W/F GA 1849 Thomas J Pate--20 W/M GA 1850 Mary A Pate------17 W/F GA 1853 Some questions about this family. Was Thomas Pate a brother of John Pate who md Amarinda Camp Aaron Pate who md Kiezah Camp Elizabeth Pate who md William Shaw Rebecca Pate who md Jennings Hulsey Nancy Pate who md Charles Husley Who did Thomas Pate first marry? How did his older children, William F, Louisa A and Madison M Pate come to own a slave? Did they inherit the slave? If so, from whom? Do the following four deed transaction bear on these questions? Henry Co (et al GA deeds) (1825?) - Henry Co GA, Deed Bk C/D, p 519. Henry Co, William PATE SR, sold to Charles HULSIE for the sum of $300, 202 1/2 acres, Dist 6, Lot #20. Wit; William HARDIN Clerk; and John M FORBES. Recorded 22 Nov 1825. (No sale date.) 21 Jan 1826 - Butts Co GA, Deed Bk A, p 170. Henry Co GA, 21 Jan 1826, btween Chas HULSEY and James CLAYTON for $350, one half of land in 8th Dist of Henry Co, now Butts Co, part of Lot #221 containing 101 1/4 acres bounded by Masons. Wit; James FLETCHER, William PATE, James KIMBROUGH, JP. Signed: James HULSEY. [This deed was taken from GA Genealogical Magazine, #36, p 157, Spring 1970.] 20 Nov 1844 - Henry Co GA, Deed Bk K, p 380. State of Alabama, Cherokee Co. 20 Nov 1844. Charles HULSEY and his wife Nancy HULSEY relinquished to Nidom B [Needham Bart] HULSEY, for the sum of $1000, all their rights and interest in the Estate of William PATE, late of Henry Co GA as heirs to real and personal property thereunder. Wit: Edward HUGHES, John HUGHES JP, William HUGHES. Recorded 2 Dec 1844, John GODWIN, Clk. 11 Jan 1848 - Henry Co GA, Deed Bk L, p 506. Henry Co. 11 Jan 1848. We, the lawful legatees of the Estate of William PATE, deceased, sell unto David DAILY for the sum of $150, land lying in Lot #45, Dist 6. /s/ John PATE, Aaron PATE, Loret PATE, Charles HALSEY, William SHAW, William PATE, A G HULSEY, William M HULSEY, Elizabeth HAMBRICK, E J HULSEY, H COE, J A BARR, John SWANN, and Thomas PATE. Wit: Samuel COPELAND, William RUTLEDGE, G W ROWAN, John JOHNSON. Recorded 29 May 1849. C M SPEER, Clk

This from- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Mcclure" <maggi312@cox.net> To: PATE-L Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: ancestry > First, I too am not very happy with Ancestry and it's newest ploy, however > as you so very aptly put it Janice, you had better check your sources! > First you named the IGI, that is nothing more then abstracted records, > mostly the 1850 census and tax records. People probably did make typing > errors, heaven forbid that we aren't all perfect as you seem to be. Second > a lot of material is from census records, bet you use them too, sometimes > it is the only place you will find an ancestor, however even the census > takers are wrong, so then your wrong too aren't you? Third not everyone has > the opportunity to go and check the actual record, even if it exists, nor > the money to pay some of the prices today. Yes we rely on others to help us > and a big part of the time someone else comes along and says, hey your > wrong here, I suspect that most people will make the corrections and get > them up as soon as possible. I have some glaring errors, one of which Joel > kindly pointed out to me, but it was an honest mistake made by an elderly > woman who trusted someone else, so it gets fixed, but you know, I have now > met someone else that I might have never found without all of this. > Rootsweb is not owned by Ancestry, Ancestry bailed it out when it was about > to go under, but didn't buy it nor control it. > > I don't know about others, but I personally have had no trouble with > Ancestry and billing my credit card, they call me faithfully every year > with what do I want that they are providing? And they will cut me off if I > don't pay the bill. I do understand that some others ( companies) aren't > that careful and will rebill without asking. > > Next in defense of the Mormon church, of which I am not a member, let's see > you provide the amount of information that they do at a minimal charge. Yes > the Ancestry files are a mess, one would think that the members could > figure out 4 generations, but perhaps not. Some of those files are so old > that it is just guess work that grandma or grandpa provided a hundred years > ago, and you know you can go in and make corrections, they are happy to > accept them. Unfortunately they have no way of backing things out, but the > new stuff will be added. > > Now to the "glaring" errors, you know, everyone tries to be right, and yes > some get carried away when they believe they have found someone "important" > to add to their line, it makes them feel like they are important too, at > least for awhile and they are definitely hard to discourage about it, but > really who am I to burst their bubble. If you know it's wrong, you can say > something, but your seldom going to change their mind. If you know it's > wrong, then don't use it. One goes into old records at court houses and > find "John Jones" did this or that, your John Jones was there, it's the > right time period and there doesn't appear to be any other Johns in the > area, you presume that he is yours, but are you absolutely positive? You > have one day to look at those records if your really lucky, so you take the > chance. So ten years down the road, you know, there was another John Jones > there and it's the only time he ever appeared, so which one was it??? No > one will ever know for sure but he is your only connection to your family, > are you going to kick him out, no your not, maybe you will note that the > possibility of being wrong exists and maybe you won't. > > A great deal of genealogy is and has always been done by elderly people who > did the best they could 50 and more years ago, records weren't readily > available and one doesn't live long enough to check everything they did, > they didn't have the internet nor the availibilty of the Mormon Church > records as they do today. They learned how to use a computer after a > fashion and entered their stuff. The old programs didn't have all the bells > and whistles they have today, space was limited and sources really didn't > have much space if any. Now they are stuck with a time element, I for one > am trying to get my sources entered, but with the data base I have I > probably won't get it all done, all I can do is make the corrections and > note the source at this time. So, mostly just have a little compassion and > cut some slack. Even with the wrong material, it was a place for you to > start and prove they/we were wrong. Obviously your looking for and at the > records, if your so sure that they are all wrong, then why are you even there? > > I'm in a quandry as to remove my records from Ancestry, but then found long > ago that others are copying them from other sources anyway and have been > charging for a long time, so what difference does it make. If your going to > share via the internet, they why bother. If your not going to share at all, > then remove your stuff and hide it in a drawer. > > I don't think this whole mess needs any further discussion and I'm not into > a free for all with any of you. I'm sorry if I stepped on some toes, if so > I will just unsubscribe so you all won't be bothered further. > Maggi > > >

RULES: 1. CHECK YOUR SOURCES 2. If it sounds too good to be true - see Rule No. 1. 3. If it doesn't make sense - see Rule No. 1. 4. If you trust the person providing the data - see Rule No. 1. 5. If you don't trust the person providing the data - see Rule No. 1. Ancestry is a business. Merging and linking the data they have is a smart business move. Many unsuspecting individuals will fork over their credit card number to get the garbage that has been 'donated.' When they decide not to renew they will spend months trying to stop their subscriptions and credit card charges. Many of the trees submitted to Ancestry have glaring errors and no documentation noted, merged families, and children that do not exist. The same is true of the Morman Church records (IGI, and Ancestral files). This new subscription service will make it harder than ever to educate people to CHECK SOURCES (see Rule No. 1). The really scary part is--some individuals will find a tree that shows that their great-grand someone is a descendant of a President, King, famous or infamous individual and take it as "Gospel" (see rule no. 1) MyFamily.Com (parent of Ancestry) also owns FamilyTreeMaker and Rootsweb. How long will it be before the mailing list becomes a paid subscription? Rootsweb also provides "FREE" space for the, volunteer-not for profit, USGENWEB project. MyFamily.Com has some really smart marketing managers - they got suckers like you and I to do the research, transcribe records, and now they can legally steal it and resell it. Janice Pate Please respect the privacy of other people; do not submit information on living individuals without their permission. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

My only question is: Once OneWorldTree Preview starts charging for the Family Trees that were originally donated to Ancestry, will there then be a copyright attached to "their" so called information if one wants to use that data - even if they were the original submitter???? Grace Kayser - descendant of John Pate 1836 - 1875

Yea and Hooray Janice!!!! Meredith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Pate" <pate_news@hotmail.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Ancestry's One World Family Tree Project > RULES: > 1. CHECK YOUR SOURCES > 2. If it sounds too good to be true - see Rule No. 1. > 3. If it doesn't make sense - see Rule No. 1. > 4. If you trust the person providing the data - see Rule No. 1. > 5. If you don't trust the person providing the data - see Rule No. 1. > > > Ancestry is a business. Merging and linking the data they have is a smart > business move. Many unsuspecting individuals will fork over their credit > card number to get the garbage that has been 'donated.' When they decide > not to renew they will spend months trying to stop their subscriptions and > credit card charges. > > Many of the trees submitted to Ancestry have glaring errors and no > documentation noted, merged families, and children that do not exist. The > same is true of the Morman Church records (IGI, and Ancestral files). This > new subscription service will make it harder than ever to educate people to > CHECK SOURCES (see Rule No. 1). > > The really scary part is--some individuals will find a tree that shows that > their great-grand someone is a descendant of a President, King, famous or > infamous individual and take it as "Gospel" (see rule no. 1) > > MyFamily.Com (parent of Ancestry) also owns FamilyTreeMaker and Rootsweb. > How long will it be before the mailing list becomes a paid subscription? > Rootsweb also provides "FREE" space for the, volunteer-not for profit, > USGENWEB project. > > MyFamily.Com has some really smart marketing managers - they got suckers > like you and I to do the research, transcribe records, and now they can > legally steal it and resell it. > > > > Janice Pate > > > > Please respect the privacy of other people; do not submit information on > living individuals without their permission. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >

My understanding is that Rootsweb's WorldConnect and Ancestry's donated family trees merged. For a while Rootsweb had a nicer search engine, but that may have been taken over by Ancestry too. I haven't had time to research this but I for one uploaded with the understanding that my info would never be sold. I'd prefer to pay something to keep it free to the public, because it's such a good place to store a GedCom in case something happens to one's home computer. Even whatever isn't displayed is there--living people, notes when not displayed etc. come back if your home computer crashes. There are too many bounces when you try to contact someone, so that it almost seems like they should remove the data when the contact person cannot be reached. Lila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Fitzpatrick" <sharon.fitz@sbcglobal.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > Well, the new ancestry "service" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. People > submitted these trees to free-ly share information with others as I > understand it. I know that this costs ancestry.com some money and they > have done a wonderful job on other services (with the census data in > particular), but still ... to charge for these trees that others > researched and provided?????? > > And, yes, I know that the World Family Trees are much the same and are > sold, but you know that before deciding to submit yours. > > Does anyone know about the Rootsweb WorldConnect project? Is it still > active? Is it still "free"? How closely does it mirror the ancestry > trees? > > Thanks, Sharon Fitzpatrick > >

I also was worried what would become of all my work after I was gone. I solved the problem I put all of it in books (6). I had it hard covered and made enough copies for the 8 grandchildren, Library of Congress, Library in the town where my ancestors (TN) came from the of course Nashville. I won't send anything to LDS either. I have spent too much money for them to make money off of it. BUT, I do gelieve if they buy one of my books it will end up in their records. On the Webbs where my ancestors I will put Wills, and deeds. But will share with anyone that is researching my lines.

My Family.com, Inc., owns the Ancestry.com genealogy site. One of the features of Ancestry.com is a voluntary GedCom file know as the Ancestry World Tree http://www.ancestry.com/trees/awt/main.htm My Family.com, Inc, "owns" RootsWeb.com. Some folks still talk of "merger" still talk of "association", "affiliation" and "sister" service and other things. The plain, unvarnished, economic and financial truth of the matter is My Family.com, Inc., a for profit corporation, owns, possesses and controls RootsWeb.com and all of its content and features! RootsWeb still styles itself as "Free". One of the features of RootsWeb.com is a voluntary GedCom file known as WorldConnect http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ The banner at WorldConnect reads- "RootsWeb.com-The World's Oldest and Largest FREE genealogy site, supported by Ancestry.Com" Some one asked if the GedCom files voluntarily submitted to RootsWeb's WorldConnect are mirrored on Ancestry.com's World Tree. The answer to that question is absolutely YES. I have posted one and only GedCom file to RootsWeb's World Connect. It bares my address- patej@nettally.com as the contact person. That same Gedcom file is available at Ancestry.com's World Tree site. It too has my address as the contact person. Check it out for your self. Go to both sites and search for ANGUS PATE. Look for the one where the names are all caps. Joel

I don't feel that Ancestry should make a "profit" from my research hours and dollars spent. Why should I donate so they can make a profit. It is not about sharing information, I am all for this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mema" <rmemazz@charter.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree I understand that you all have put time and effort into your collecting & organizing your family history, and feel somewhat proprietary about it, but if you are truly interested in your families history; then to collaborate with any & all others is the best way to do it. Why would you limit yourself to only those researchers who were looking at "free" information? What is wrong with "sharing" your information generously to all who are researching their families. Did you ever pay for information contained in certificates or documents from counties or states or libraries? Just a few thoughts mema ----- Original Message ----- From: <lunar@ipa.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > My thoughts exactly! > > Carolyn wrote: > > Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does > > not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have > > found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass > > it along freely to any future researchers. > > > > I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I > > will post my line elsewhere. > >

I also am donating my family information to the county historical society of the counties that my mother and father originated from. I also have spent $$$$$$$$$$$ purchasing documents, and my children show little interest, however, I have made copies of my information for each of my grandchildren (I only have 3) and from there they can pass it to their children whatever they choose to do with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "linda la hue" <kinseeker@iowatelecom.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree As of yet, I have not shared my family lines on Ancestry.com. I always thought that I would like to keep my research free. I have paid hundreds of dollars and a lot of time to get my research. My problem. None of my children are interested, and I do not believe that will ever change. So, what happens to my research that I have spent hours and all of that money on when I pass away ??? I would like to share it. Whether it is with Ancestry, Genealogy.com, or whoever. Whether it is free, or whether it costs you. I want my lines out there. They were very hard to find, and I know that the next person who is researching our family, is going to have the same problems that I did. Some of the people that I got information from, are no longer living. How is the next person going to find that information, if I don't share it?? I am going to give one copy of my genealogy to the state and county where my mother and her family came from. Then, I am going to share with all. Just my views Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mema" <rmemazz@charter.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > I understand that you all have put time and effort into your collecting & organizing your family history, and feel somewhat > proprietary about it, but if you are truly interested in your families history; then to collaborate with any & all others is the > best way to do it. > > Why would you limit yourself to only those researchers who were looking at "free" information? > > What is wrong with "sharing" your information generously to all who are researching their families. > > Did you ever pay for information contained in certificates or documents from counties or states or libraries? > > Just a few thoughts > mema > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lunar@ipa.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > > > > My thoughts exactly! > > > > Carolyn wrote: > > > Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does > > > not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have > > > found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass > > > it along freely to any future researchers. > > > > > > I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I > > > will post my line elsewhere. > > > > > > >

As of yet, I have not shared my family lines on Ancestry.com. I always thought that I would like to keep my research free. I have paid hundreds of dollars and a lot of time to get my research. My problem. None of my children are interested, and I do not believe that will ever change. So, what happens to my research that I have spent hours and all of that money on when I pass away ??? I would like to share it. Whether it is with Ancestry, Genealogy.com, or whoever. Whether it is free, or whether it costs you. I want my lines out there. They were very hard to find, and I know that the next person who is researching our family, is going to have the same problems that I did. Some of the people that I got information from, are no longer living. How is the next person going to find that information, if I don't share it?? I am going to give one copy of my genealogy to the state and county where my mother and her family came from. Then, I am going to share with all. Just my views Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mema" <rmemazz@charter.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > I understand that you all have put time and effort into your collecting & organizing your family history, and feel somewhat > proprietary about it, but if you are truly interested in your families history; then to collaborate with any & all others is the > best way to do it. > > Why would you limit yourself to only those researchers who were looking at "free" information? > > What is wrong with "sharing" your information generously to all who are researching their families. > > Did you ever pay for information contained in certificates or documents from counties or states or libraries? > > Just a few thoughts > mema > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lunar@ipa.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > > > > My thoughts exactly! > > > > Carolyn wrote: > > > Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does > > > not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have > > > found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass > > > it along freely to any future researchers. > > > > > > I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I > > > will post my line elsewhere. > > > > > > >

I understand that you all have put time and effort into your collecting & organizing your family history, and feel somewhat proprietary about it, but if you are truly interested in your families history; then to collaborate with any & all others is the best way to do it. Why would you limit yourself to only those researchers who were looking at "free" information? What is wrong with "sharing" your information generously to all who are researching their families. Did you ever pay for information contained in certificates or documents from counties or states or libraries? Just a few thoughts mema ----- Original Message ----- From: <lunar@ipa.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree > My thoughts exactly! > > Carolyn wrote: > > Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does > > not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have > > found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass > > it along freely to any future researchers. > > > > I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I > > will post my line elsewhere. > >

My thoughts exactly! Carolyn wrote: > Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does > not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have > found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass > it along freely to any future researchers. > > I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I > will post my line elsewhere.

Charging for information that has been provided to Ancestry for free does not seem like good business to me. A lot of the information that I have found on my family lines was provided free to me, and I would like to pass it along freely to any future researchers. I for one will not "give" Ancestry "free" information for them to sell. I will post my line elsewhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Nickless" <unicorn1950@comcast.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree I also have a bit of a problem with anyone charging for the information that's given to them, but it's a definite sign of the times and if it helps someone else, well......... The WorldConnect Project at Rootsweb seems to be very much alive and well. Hopefully it will remain free as promised. If anyone isn't familiar with it, go to http://wc.rootsweb.com. I'd say like Ancestry, the World Family Tree, or even the LDS files, the information at WorldConnect is as good as the research done before it was put there! I've found many good leads and made connections with 'cousins', as well as finding bad information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Fitzpatrick To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Your Family Tree Well, the new ancestry "service" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. People submitted these trees to free-ly share information with others as I understand it. I know that this costs ancestry.com some money and they have done a wonderful job on other services (with the census data in particular), but still ... to charge for these trees that others researched and provided?????? And, yes, I know that the World Family Trees are much the same and are sold, but you know that before deciding to submit yours. Does anyone know about the Rootsweb WorldConnect project? Is it still active? Is it still "free"? How closely does it mirror the ancestry trees? Thanks, Sharon Fitzpatrick