Joel, Sorry it has been so long in responding. I have been on vacation for close to a month. Are you the Joel who is the expert on our Pate genealogy along with Jinks Pate Lee? I would love to share our families genealogy. Do I use a certain or special program to do it. Please let me know. I'd be glad to work on it and share everything I know. Thanks Bud Duane Pate, SLC, Ut

from the Lawton (OK) Constitution: Helen Smith Pate ELGIN -- Graveside service for former Lawton and Elgin area resident Helen Marie Smith Pate, 78, Hawaii, will be at 1 p.m. Wednesday at Elgin Memorial Cemetery. Mrs. Pate died Wednesday, June 30, 2004, in Hawaii. Arrangements are by Hodge Funeral Home, Fletcher. She was born April 25, 1926, in Lawton. She graduated from Lawton High School and later attended college in California. She received her master's degree and became a family/marriage therapist. She is the widow of the late Kenneth Pate, Master Gunnery Sergeant, retired. She had lived in Hawaii with her son for the past seven years. Survivors include her son, John Rathjen, Hawaii; a sister, Clara Wargo, Texas; grandchildren: Rick Sanders and Michelle Brauer; and nephews: David and Michael Wargo. (Lawton (OK) Constitution) She was preceded in death by her parents, William Sterman Smith and Lois Ethel Skinner Smith; her husband; a daughter, Linda Lujan; and a brother, William S. Smith Jr. =====

Lesa Starnes on PATE Forum at Genforum on July 12, 2004 at 07:49:34 (message #2728) wrote- "I am looking for the family of Robert Lee Pate and Vera Clyde (Mayhan?) (Pate) Etherton. I know they had one son, Troy Pate." I responded July 13, 2004 at 13:09:17 (message #2730)- "Suggest that you "Jump" to message #1340 and message #1417 on this venue (PATE). Both were posted by Vera Pate Nash. Vera offers that Robert L Pate was b ca 1888 and was murdered 28 Oct 1933 in Webster Co KY. He married Vera MAHAN or MAHON. I have one unverified note that Troy Pate, a son of Robert L Pate, was b 29 May 1926 and d Nov 1985 in IL." Vera Nash on February 16, 2001 at 00:37:47 (message#1340) wrote- "I noticed a Robert L Pate in the list. The Robert L Pate I am looking for was b. about 1888 and was murdered in Webster County KY on Oct. 28, 1933. Do you know if there is any connection?" Vera Nash on April 12, 2001 at 09:21:52 (message #1417) wrote- "My grandfather was Robert Lee Pate. The only information that I have on him is that he was married to Vera Mahan and that he was murdered in Webster Co Ky. Could this be part of your Pate family?"

The 1920 Census of Omaha, Douglas Co, Nebraska, Enumeration District 92, sheet 22B, Omaha, Merrimon Hotel had a Clinton D PATE W/M age 25 b GA, a glove salesman by occupation. Any one have anything on this man? Joel

On 28 Jun 2004 in message 2723 on the Pate venue at Genforum George Thomas Menees wrote I am seeking information regarding Charles Wesley Pate born 1868 in Tenn. Died Dec.10 1947.Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Tom Menees ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 29 Jun 2004 I posted the following reply. Joel ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your Charles Wesley Pate 1868-1947 PERHAPS was the son of William Nathan Pate and Mary Selvidge of Trenton PO, Gibson Co TN. William Nathan Pate and Mary F Selvidge married 9 Oct 1867 in Gibson Co TN You may wish to scan the 1870 census of Gibson Co TN, page 267, Trenton PO, site 23/23. W N Pate 34 TN 1836 Mary Pate 27 TN 1843 Charles Pate 2 TN 1868 William Nathan Pate PROBABLY died before the 1880 census was taken. His widow and children appear to have been enumerated in the 1880 census. You may wish to scan the 1880 census Gibson Co TN, page 478, Enumeration district 47, sheet 3, Hickory Grove Twsp, site 19/19 Mary Pate 36 Head WD b TN Charles Pate 11 Son SGL TN Bertha Pate 9 Dau SGL TN The 1890 census burned. In my OPINION Charles Wesley Pate, between 1880 and 1900, relocated to Davidson Co TN and married about 1897. You may wish to scan the 1900 census Davidson Co TN, page 227A, Enumeration district 83, sheet 2, Nashville, site 20/23, 305 North High Street. Enumerated in the household were Thomas MENCES 76 W/M Head MD Physician b TN Jun 1823 Mary MENCES 65 W/F Wife MD b TN Jun 1834 (Married 34y 1/1 children) Three boarders Charles W PATE 32 W/M MD Commission Agent b TN Apr 1868 Mary E PATE 27 W/F MD b TN Dec 1873 (Married 3y 1/1 children) Mary M Pate 1 W/F SGL b TN Jul 1898 Two domestics (record is almost illegible) Sallie Walters Housekeeper Rachel McGown Servant This household was indexed as MENCES, however a closer examination of the microfilm record reflects that the name PERHAPS was MENEES Notes: 1/1 children indicates that the women had one live birth and that child was alive at the time of the census. Charles W Pate APPARENTLY married about 1897 in Nashville, Davidson Co, TN. An Examination of the marriage records of Davidson Co for that time period would be useful. ALSO Another researcher proffers that Charles W Pate was born 17 Apr 1868 to Bolen Green Pate and his wife Mary A Williams of Gibson and later Dyer Co TN You may wish to go to the World Connect Site- http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ and search for Pate, Charles b 1868. The several returns will include Charles Wesley Pate b 17 Apr 1868. You may also use the search screen at World Connect to "jump" directly to the data base. Use the database name -- dyeralsups. You may wish to examine the 1870 census of Gibson Co TN page 256, Quincy PO, site 22/22, household of Bowling Pate. There was not a Charles Pate enumerated in this household. Also you may wish to examine the 1880 census of Dyer Co TN, page 22, Enumeration district 5, sheet 19, Civil district 19, site 176/176, household of B G Pate. There was a Charles Pate age 13 enumerated in this household. I, of course, THINK that my analysis is correct, BUT it may not be. Perhaps the researcher who posted the -dyeralsups- database has a bible or other record that I am not aware of. If you develop further information on this, please share it. end

Thanks for your response. I know Sam and he is a terrific man. And you are so right, I have discovered cousins I never knew I had. These are people I went to school with and never knew they were related to me back then. Thanks again. Judith P. Gentry

Judith: It is through asking and sharing that we all learn more about our ancestors. Sam Pait Sr is the "go to" man for our Bladen Co NC cousins who use the Pait spelling. He is the one who deserves the thanks for his years of finding and sharing. We frequently hit "brick walls" in this endeavor. If you share the problem you will find cousins you did not know about and you may find the answer to your problem. Post you FGS (family group sheet), post your descendants chart and post you questions to Pate-L and see what I mean. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Angle1500@aol.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] n.c. paits/pates > I just wanted to say "thanks" to all who have helped make this website available including those who have asked questions and for all the answers. I am a Pait related to the Paits/Pates in Bladen county, North Carolina and I have found this website really interesting. > > Judith Pait Gentry > >

I just wanted to say "thanks" to all who have helped make this website available including those who have asked questions and for all the answers. I am a Pait related to the Paits/Pates in Bladen county, North Carolina and I have found this website really interesting. Judith Pait Gentry

Bud: My line was not in IL. So our ancestors were not one and the same. Your John James Pate is perhaps the John Pate age 15 born IL shown in the 1850 census of Cass Co IL Page 4, District 22, site 41/41 Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Budpate523@aol.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Joel's Pate > Hi, Just saw your John J Pate. My great grandfather was John James Pate of > Jacksonville, Morgan County, IL. Is this one and the same. Mine was born > 1/28/1936 in Virginia, Cass County, IL. Please let me know. Thanks, Bud Pate in > Salt Lake City, UT. > > >

Hi, Just saw your John J Pate. My great grandfather was John James Pate of Jacksonville, Morgan County, IL. Is this one and the same. Mine was born 1/28/1936 in Virginia, Cass County, IL. Please let me know. Thanks, Bud Pate in Salt Lake City, UT.

Hi Joel: Thank you so much for the information on Thomas Bragg Pate. I did not realize that I had given the children of SR to JR. I had already decided to give up genealogy and now I am sure. Thanks again for helping me correct my error. Sam Pait Bladen County, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <PATE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PATE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: PATE-D Digest V04 #61

Helen: 1. I believe that Hillman Pate, my ggg uncle, married Louisa A McCRARY, but I've never been able to confirm that Descendant List - Hillman PATE - 25 Jun 2004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1-Hillman PATE (20 Feb 1828-30 May 1905) sp-Louisa A (10 Aug 1835-17 Apr 1906) . .2-Susan PATE (abt 1858-) . .2-Nancy PATE (abt 1860-31 Aug 1963) . .sp-William J THOMAS (-) . .2-Sterling J PATE (Oct 1861-) . .sp-Mattie L ANSLEY (Aug 1860-) . . . 3-Eula A PATE (21 Sep 1883-27 Jul 1884) . . . 3-Ann PATE (Nov 1884-) . . . 3-Rosella PATE (Mar 1886-10 Feb 1959) . . . sp-George S KELLEY (21 Jun 1886-23 Dec 1956) . . . 3-Rolidene PATE (Apr 1888-) . . . 3-Donnie Mae PATE (31 Aug 1888-30 Nov 1945) . . . sp-Homer DUCKWORTH (7 Nov 1885-8 Dec 1960) . . . . .4-Katherine DUCKWORTH (abt 1909-) . . . . .4-Ruby Mae DUCKWORTH (abt 1911-) . . . . .4-William Richard DUCKWORTH (abt 1913-) . . . . .4-Georgia Dean DUCKWORTH (abt 1917-) . . . . .4-Margaret DUCKWORTH (abt 1920-) . . . . .4-Virginia DUCKWORTH (abt 1922-) . . . . .4-Homer DUCKWORTH Jr (16 Apr 1924-Jan 1978) . . . . .4-Opel DUCKWORTH (abt 1927-) . . . . .4-Melba DUCKWORTH (abt 1929-) . . . 3-India PATE (5 Mar 1893-4 Dec 1900) . .2-Emily PATE (abt 1864-) . .2-Ida D Estelle PATE (28 Jan 1866-4 Oct 1883) . .sp-Jeremiah T ANSLEY (-) . .2-Mary L PATE (abt 1869-) . .2-Arch D PATE (Nov 1871-3 Aug 1947) . .2-Ralph E PATE (1872-) 2. My g/f Boyce Felts Pate md Rubye Alethia SCOTT 21 DEC 1913 in TALIAFERRO CO GA Bk C. Page 198. Her dates 29 Sep 1897 - 25 Sep 1950 both are buried at Raytown Methodist Church in Raytown, Taliaferro Co, GA 3 Sarah Jane Reese, my gg g/m, was b Jan 1832 and died aft 1910 census Her children were - John Thomas Pate b 4 Feb 1858-d 10 Dec 1926 Nancy Hart Pate b Jul 1861 d aft 1930 census William H Pate b ca 1862 I have nothing further on him 4 John Jackson Pate, my gg g/f, b ca 1833 d 25 Sep 1862 married Sarah Jane Reese-see above. I believe that John Jackson Pate is buried in an unmarked grave at New Providence Church in Warren Co GA. He died of combat wounds and disease (probably pneumonia or measles). Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pate Ross" <ross@empowering.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Joel's Pate > I am putting all the Pates I have in my new computer and trying to check out errors and fill in blanks. > > Who did Hilman Pate marry? Dates on her > Dates onBoyce Felts Pate wife? > Dates on Sarah Jane Reese, dates on childre Wm H & Nancy > Dates on John J Pate (b1830) wife. > > Helen > >

I am putting all the Pates I have in my new computer and trying to check out errors and fill in blanks. Who did Hilman Pate marry? Dates on her Dates onBoyce Felts Pate wife? Dates on Sarah Jane Reese, dates on childre Wm H & Nancy Dates on John J Pate (b1830) wife. Helen

I concur. Guess my subject line should have been "Pate-Fitzgerald-Harris TX" So Aunt Francis was aunt by marriage rather than Fitzgerald blood. Fair enough. All of this points out the value of using allied surnames to work your way around a brick wall. There is a posting by a Fitzgerald researcher on the PATE venue at GenForum that gives rise to this. Wiley Alston Jarrell 15610 Edenvale Friendswood Texas, 77546 wajarrell@earthlink.net 281-482-3671 http://genforum.genealogy.com/pate/ Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Fitzpatrick" <sharon.fitz@sbcglobal.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pate-Fitzgerald TX > Sorry, Joel, but I have to disagree with you about the relationship of > Joseph F. Pate and the Harris family. > > Joseph F. Pate was very likely the brother of Amanda Pate who lived with > Francis C. Fitzgerald. I believe that Francis Caroline Harris > Fitzgerald was the widow of Jackson J. Fitzgerald (the 17 year old on > the 1850 San Augustine County census you cite below). There is a > cluster of Fitzgerald, Pate and Harris family members in Grayson County, > TX in 1880 (which you identified a couple of years ago and for which I > will be eternally grateful). I am pretty sure that Robert Harris (with > whom Joseph was living) is a brother of Frances Harris Fitzgerald. > Grayson County deeds indicate that Robert Harris' wife's maiden name was > LOW. She was the daughter of Henry and Mary Jane LOW. > > Joseph Francis did have a sister Sarah E., but she was born in TX in > 1862. I have no idea what happened to her. Robert Harris' wife was > born in Illinois in 1856. > > Let me know if you can see problems with the above. Some of it is > circumstantial I know. But I do have the list of Joseph's siblings > names from a family Bible and a tintype of the elder Jackson Fitzgerald > turned up in Joseph's daughter's estate sale. > > Thanks, Sharon > > Joel Pate wrote: > > Sharon: > > > > Mary Jane Fitzgerald b ca 1829 Maury Co TN d TX before 1880 census > > Father: Jackson Fitzgerald b 19 Dec 1795 Pittsylvania Co VA d 17 Oct 1882 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX > > Mother: Sarah Moore B 21 Nov 1795 Orange Co NC d 30 May 1840 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX > > > > 1850 > > SAN AUGUSTINE CO > > P 336 ------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 54 W/M FARMER VA 1796 > > 78/78 -------------CATHERINE FITZGERALD 30 W/F TN 1820 > > SAN AUGUS-- MARY FITZGERALD 18 W/F TN 1832 > > TINE -------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 17 W/M TN 1833 > > ----------------------EDMOND FITZGERALD 15 W/M TN 1835 > > ----------------------FRANCIS FITZGERALD 13 W/F TN 1837 > > > > Joseph T Pate b 30 Aug 1826 md Mary J Fitzgerald 10 Mar 1856 San Augustin Co TX > > > > Francis C Fitzgerald was Aunt to Amanda Pate in 1880 Grayson Co > > Amanda Pate dau of Joseph T Pate and Mary Jane Fitzgerald, both of whom apparently were deceased by 1880 census > > > > The one that finally hit me was 1880 Grayson Co > > Joseph F Pate 12 was not adopted son of Robert Harris and Sarah Harris. > > He was BNL to Robert Harris and bro of Sarah E Harris > > Joel > > > > > > > >

Sorry, Joel, but I have to disagree with you about the relationship of Joseph F. Pate and the Harris family. Joseph F. Pate was very likely the brother of Amanda Pate who lived with Francis C. Fitzgerald. I believe that Francis Caroline Harris Fitzgerald was the widow of Jackson J. Fitzgerald (the 17 year old on the 1850 San Augustine County census you cite below). There is a cluster of Fitzgerald, Pate and Harris family members in Grayson County, TX in 1880 (which you identified a couple of years ago and for which I will be eternally grateful). I am pretty sure that Robert Harris (with whom Joseph was living) is a brother of Frances Harris Fitzgerald. Grayson County deeds indicate that Robert Harris' wife's maiden name was LOW. She was the daughter of Henry and Mary Jane LOW. Joseph Francis did have a sister Sarah E., but she was born in TX in 1862. I have no idea what happened to her. Robert Harris' wife was born in Illinois in 1856. Let me know if you can see problems with the above. Some of it is circumstantial I know. But I do have the list of Joseph's siblings names from a family Bible and a tintype of the elder Jackson Fitzgerald turned up in Joseph's daughter's estate sale. Thanks, Sharon Joel Pate wrote: > Sharon: > > Mary Jane Fitzgerald b ca 1829 Maury Co TN d TX before 1880 census > Father: Jackson Fitzgerald b 19 Dec 1795 Pittsylvania Co VA d 17 Oct 1882 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX > Mother: Sarah Moore B 21 Nov 1795 Orange Co NC d 30 May 1840 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX > > 1850 > SAN AUGUSTINE CO > P 336 ------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 54 W/M FARMER VA 1796 > 78/78 -------------CATHERINE FITZGERALD 30 W/F TN 1820 > SAN AUGUS-- MARY FITZGERALD 18 W/F TN 1832 > TINE -------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 17 W/M TN 1833 > ----------------------EDMOND FITZGERALD 15 W/M TN 1835 > ----------------------FRANCIS FITZGERALD 13 W/F TN 1837 > > Joseph T Pate b 30 Aug 1826 md Mary J Fitzgerald 10 Mar 1856 San Augustin Co TX > > Francis C Fitzgerald was Aunt to Amanda Pate in 1880 Grayson Co > Amanda Pate dau of Joseph T Pate and Mary Jane Fitzgerald, both of whom apparently were deceased by 1880 census > > The one that finally hit me was 1880 Grayson Co > Joseph F Pate 12 was not adopted son of Robert Harris and Sarah Harris. > He was BNL to Robert Harris and bro of Sarah E Harris > Joel > >

Sharon: Mary Jane Fitzgerald b ca 1829 Maury Co TN d TX before 1880 census Father: Jackson Fitzgerald b 19 Dec 1795 Pittsylvania Co VA d 17 Oct 1882 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX Mother: Sarah Moore B 21 Nov 1795 Orange Co NC d 30 May 1840 San Augustine Co TX, bur Thomas Family Cemetery, San Augustine Co TX 1850 SAN AUGUSTINE CO P 336 ------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 54 W/M FARMER VA 1796 78/78 -------------CATHERINE FITZGERALD 30 W/F TN 1820 SAN AUGUS-- MARY FITZGERALD 18 W/F TN 1832 TINE -------------JACKSON FITZGERALD 17 W/M TN 1833 ----------------------EDMOND FITZGERALD 15 W/M TN 1835 ----------------------FRANCIS FITZGERALD 13 W/F TN 1837 Joseph T Pate b 30 Aug 1826 md Mary J Fitzgerald 10 Mar 1856 San Augustin Co TX Francis C Fitzgerald was Aunt to Amanda Pate in 1880 Grayson Co Amanda Pate dau of Joseph T Pate and Mary Jane Fitzgerald, both of whom apparently were deceased by 1880 census The one that finally hit me was 1880 Grayson Co Joseph F Pate 12 was not adopted son of Robert Harris and Sarah Harris. He was BNL to Robert Harris and bro of Sarah E Harris Joel

John Wiley Pate b.1/7/1864 VanZant Co. TX d. 3/11/1944 Dennison TX m. Sarah Evangline Kornegay b. 2/26/1867 Milam Co. TX m. 4/25/1886 d. 1919

I think maybe the Yeomans line but have never done any research on that line. Pacia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pates > Pacia > Any chance the name comes from your Hood, Aycock, Yeomans or Denney line? > Joel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pacia Brown" <pacia@comcast.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:50 PM > Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pates > > > > I have been seeing a good deal of new activity on this site. I am still > looking for someone to find my given name - Pacia - in the Pate genealogy. > Please keep looking for this for me guys and gals! > > > > Thanks a bunch. Pacia Jane Pate Brown > > > > > > >

Pacia could come from a shortened form of pacificus, such as pacis or pax, meaning peace or rest. Then again, it might not. Could be just what someone wrote down that stuck. Joe Hazel

Pacia Any chance the name comes from your Hood, Aycock, Yeomans or Denney line? Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pacia Brown" <pacia@comcast.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pates > I have been seeing a good deal of new activity on this site. I am still looking for someone to find my given name - Pacia - in the Pate genealogy. Please keep looking for this for me guys and gals! > > Thanks a bunch. Pacia Jane Pate Brown > >