Hello Joel and All . Could be the case of an unregistered minister and they are doing the second one to make it legal . We had this case in early Melbourne Australia . Laurie

I have yet another but I did not record the source. Descendants of Murdock Brown Generation No. 1 1. Murdock1 Brown was born 1823 in NC. He married Miranda Pate Feb 24, 1870 in Richmond Co., NC, daughter of Benargy Pate and Elizabeth Parker. She was born 1850 in Richmond Co., NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <patej@nettally.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Senia Ann Pate md Edward H Woodham Which marriage record is correct? Senia Ann Pate md Edward H Woodham 8 Apr 1867 Decatur Co GA. Bk A Pg 518 OR Senia Ann Pate md Edward Harley Woodham 9 Feb 1878 Decatur Co GA, Bk B Pg 294

Anyone have a copy or good reading of a marriage license issued in Richmond Co NC for Miranda Pate and Murdock Brown 24 Feb 1878?

Which marriage record is correct? Senia Ann Pate md Edward H Woodham 8 Apr 1867 Decatur Co GA. Bk A Pg 518 OR Senia Ann Pate md Edward Harley Woodham 9 Feb 1878 Decatur Co GA, Bk B Pg 294

My husband's great aunt passed away yesterday morning in Ardmore, Oklahoma. She was 95 years old and a lovely lady. Irene Pate McGoodwin Mitchell was born on March 4, 1909 in Ardmore to the late Joseph Francis and Martha Irene (Barrington) Pate. She was the youngest of their 7 children. She graduated from Southeastern Oklahoma State University and taught school in Ardmore for more than 40 years. She headed the audio-visual department and traveled around to many of the schools in the district. She was a member of First Baptist Church, Sunday school class, OEA, Business and Professional Women's Association, served as secretary-treasurer for AARP and was a Pink Lady hospital volunteer until she was about 90 years old. She taught driving to senior citizens into her 80s. She also traveled extensively. In her 90s she often told us that she had lived a good life and had traveled to every continent except Antarctica. She married her first husband Gordon McGoodwin on Nov. 24, 1934. He died Jan. 25, 1967. She and B.P. Mitchell were married in 1978 in Ardmore. He died in 1997. Although she had no biological children, she was a big influence on the lives of her nieces, nephews and their children, as well as two Mitchell step-children. Sharon Fitzpatrick

Sharon, No, I don't have access to that census (or most of 1910's, or 1920), and can't locate a copy on the web. In 1910 I found Eugene F. Warnick in Seattle WA, and a WF and Ford T in Coryell, but no other Warnicks/Wornicks. In 1930 I found some of the family in Coryell, Smith and Cherokee counties TX. And yes, that's them. This family had some really odd names that were probably misspelled countless times, and the last name has so many spelling possibilities it's been extremely difficult to trace even using soundex. Thank you very much for this information. Is there any way you could send me their census info for 1900-1920? Again, thank you. Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Fitzpatrick [mailto:sharon.fitz@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:43 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Elizabeth Pate and William Wornick Rebecca, do you have access to the 1900 census? I THINK it is very likely that your family is in Coryell County then. There is a Eugene WARNICK in e.d. 38, 1 J-Pct, Coryell County on page 8A. There is also an Ibner T. WARNICK on page 14B. Ibner is married and has a couple of children. Eugene has his mother Bettie born in Mississippi with him (age is off by a few years but ....). He also has siblings with very unusual names which seem to closely match some of the names on your list. Hope this helps you a little. Sharon

Rebecca, do you have access to the 1900 census? I THINK it is very likely that your family is in Coryell County then. There is a Eugene WARNICK in e.d. 38, 1 J-Pct, Coryell County on page 8A. There is also an Ibner T. WARNICK on page 14B. Ibner is married and has a couple of children. Eugene has his mother Bettie born in Mississippi with him (age is off by a few years but ....). He also has siblings with very unusual names which seem to closely match some of the names on your list. Hope this helps you a little. Sharon

Hi . This is all I Know The Pate Story From the Marriage certificate of John Pate and Sarah Kane nee Strudley we learn that that John`s parents are George Pate a miller and Bessie McKerrow , which could be McAra . This is the only information which I can find on this couple .The only avenue left is to check county by county the 1841 or 1851 census . John Pate and Sarah Kane nee Strudley John ( Morton?) Pate born c1840 Edinburgh came to Australia on the ship as an engineer , which had sailed very far down south to get the good winds , but the extreme cold killed a lot of children and older people for which the Captain was charged with endangering lives . As passengers we have John and Sarah Kane and daughter Jessie . Because of the traumas of the trip they had a spontaneous party when they tied up at at Port Melbourne .Everyone became "happy" and Mr Kane fell over board and drowned May 1861( as per Marriage certificate of John Pate and Sarah Kane nee Strudley ) .John Pate is said to dive in and tried to save him . The above is handed down family stories which cannot be verified by documentation . The name of the ship cannot be found nor can the marriage or birth record be found in England . How Sarah and 2 year old daughter Jessie survived in a strange country is unknown , but we assume John Pate , who left the ship also , would have had a hand in it for they were married on the 26th December 1863 at 22 Moray Place Emerald Hill .Very little is known about their lives except that he was a train driver on the new expanding Victorian rail network from Newport . Someone told me he was a dour scot with no sense of humour and used to sit in his favourite chair in his smoking jacket and smoke his smelly pipe . They had the following children . George Ernest b.1864 and d. 1882 Emerald Hill Mary Blanche b.1867 Emerald Hill m. Henry Skinner 1898 South Melbourne . Was Skinner`s Playground in Moray st. named after him? Flora Annette b.1872 Emerald Hill m. John Sampson Kent 18th September 1895 South Melbourne John Morton b.1876 Emerald Hill m. Flora Louise Allnut 1903 South Melbourne Sarah Edith b.1878 Emerald Hill m. Ernest Alfred Cathie 1904 South Melbourne Frances Evelyn b. 1879 Emerald Hill m. Walter John Germa(o)n 1903 South Melbourne William Charles b.1881 Emerald Hill m. Elsie Julie Evans 1910 South Melbourne . Sarah died 24th December 1915 in South Melbourne aged 76 and John died 26th December 1925 aged 84 . Flora Annette Pate Flora Annette was born 10th November 1872 at 122a Moray Street Emerald Hill . Nothing is known until she married John Sampson Kent but one wonders how she became a social butterfly when her great grandmother , the wife of a labourer died a pauper and her grandmother , the wife of a blacksmith`s labourer who died young and her mother spent her childhood in the Henley Union Workhouse before coming to Australia .Perhaps , when she found freedom from a frugal house to the glamour of being married to a successful man , it changed her whole personality . Her story continues as the wife of John Sampson Kent .

Thanks Joel - shall do! Jan Roberg'e (nee Pate) -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 8:41 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Australian Cousins Jan and Laurie; Jan, thanks for hanging in with PATE-L and Laurie, welcome Please, to the extent possible, share your exchanges with PATE-L. Most of us can learn more about Australian genealogy. The search techniques are the same, but the available resources are unknown to most of us. We all have one unifying love - the PATE surname. I've already learned one lesson - For you the WA Gen Society is not in the state of Washington in the US, but in Western Australia. Laurie, starting with passenger lists may yield some clues. Also, your John Pate was an Engineer. Often in records there will be hidden clues and even clear cut data. If you find a passenger list and there are several mine workers travelling with John Pate, he perhaps was a mining engineer. How does his arrival in Australia fit in with the history of gold mining? You might see a clear note that he was a marine engineer, a steam engineer or a stationary engineer. Stationary engineers were guys who stood still and ran steam engines, not on railroads or ships, but at fixed points such as sawmills, mines and manufacturing plants. Good luck and keeps us informed. Joel

Thanks Joel - shall do! Jan Roberg'e (nee Pate) -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 8:41 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Australian Cousins Jan and Laurie; Jan, thanks for hanging in with PATE-L and Laurie, welcome Please, to the extent possible, share your exchanges with PATE-L. Most of us can learn more about Australian genealogy. The search techniques are the same, but the available resources are unknown to most of us. We all have one unifying love - the PATE surname. I've already learned one lesson - For you the WA Gen Society is not in the state of Washington in the US, but in Western Australia. Laurie, starting with passenger lists may yield some clues. Also, your John Pate was an Engineer. Often in records there will be hidden clues and even clear cut data. If you find a passenger list and there are several mine workers travelling with John Pate, he perhaps was a mining engineer. How does his arrival in Australia fit in with the history of gold mining? You might see a clear note that he was a marine engineer, a steam engineer or a stationary engineer. Stationary engineers were guys who stood still and ran steam engines, not on railroads or ships, but at fixed points such as sawmills, mines and manufacturing plants. Good luck and keeps us informed. Joel

Some parts of 1841 Census of Scotland are searchable on-line. Try this URL http://member.melbpc.org.au/~andes/index.html Joel

Hi Laurie - I am from Australia and am a Pate by birth.Am ecstatic that someone in the Pate line has finally tagged Australia because the US material whilst incredibly interesting isn't relevant to me - ancestry wise, though I in fact married an American from Virginia. I do not have all my records to hand at this exact moment - they are at home (I am at work) My grandfather John William Pate came out from England in 1890's when a baby.His father was Richard Pate - a labourer - also English and his mother was English. I realise this is not your John of course, but I do know Edinburgh was in my family geographical tree. There were really only a couple of entry points to Australia in the 1850's -1900. The present southern state of Victoria (capital Melbourne) and the huge one - bigger than Texas - above it (New South Wales ... Sydney is its capital)were originally one area till divided legally. Melbourne was a key entry point into the whole area - some ships came via Perth the capital of the huge state of Western Australia)that runs the entire north-south length of the whole western side of our country. The Victorian goldfields were a major drawcard during the 1850-60's with some extremely large nuggets found there. Therefore Melbourne was a really busy port with goldiggers in all shapes and sizes. It was not at all unusual for people to enter through Melbourne but journey up fairly quickly to the Sydney area.I can grab info on descendants this week for you if you like. Would be delighted to help you in any way I can from this end. Jan Roberg'e (nee Janette Lorraine Pate) -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Thompson [mailto:lthompson@terrafirma.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 8:46 AM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] A request Hi all Pate Researchers . I am stuck on John Pate who was in Melbourne Australia early 1860`s . His Victorian ( a state of Australia ) marriage certificate dated 1863 stated he was born Edinburgh c1840 to George , a Miller, and Bessie McKerrow or McAra . As there was several questionable statements on the marriage certificate some of this information could be suspect . I would like to correspond with descendants or anyone who might help and ascertain ancestors .Family stories are that he came out on a ship as an engineer so I assume a Steamship . Thanks for reading this plea for help . Laurie

Hi all Pate Researchers . I am stuck on John Pate who was in Melbourne Australia early 1860`s . His Victorian ( a state of Australia ) marriage certificate dated 1863 stated he was born Edinburgh c1840 to George , a Miller, and Bessie McKerrow or McAra . As there was several questionable statements on the marriage certificate some of this information could be suspect . I would like to correspond with descendants or anyone who might help and ascertain ancestors .Family stories are that he came out on a ship as an engineer so I assume a Steamship . Thanks for reading this plea for help . Laurie

Jan and Laurie; Jan, thanks for hanging in with PATE-L and Laurie, welcome Please, to the extent possible, share your exchanges with PATE-L. Most of us can learn more about Australian genealogy. The search techniques are the same, but the available resources are unknown to most of us. We all have one unifying love - the PATE surname. I've already learned one lesson - For you the WA Gen Society is not in the state of Washington in the US, but in Western Australia. Laurie, starting with passenger lists may yield some clues. Also, your John Pate was an Engineer. Often in records there will be hidden clues and even clear cut data. If you find a passenger list and there are several mine workers travelling with John Pate, he perhaps was a mining engineer. How does his arrival in Australia fit in with the history of gold mining? You might see a clear note that he was a marine engineer, a steam engineer or a stationary engineer. Stationary engineers were guys who stood still and ran steam engines, not on railroads or ships, but at fixed points such as sawmills, mines and manufacturing plants. Good luck and keeps us informed. Joel

Does anyone on the mailing list have the lineage of James D. PATE, husband of the deceased? Lawton, OK is the home of some of my husband's relatives who are connected to his PATE line. There is also a John T. PATE of Pate's Electric Service listed in the Ardmore, OK City Directory of 1946 - 1947 (same time my husband's PATEs lived there), whom I haven't identified. There is no other PATE family in the 1930 Ardmore or Carter County census index. My mother-in-law didn't know him or of any relationship to her relatives. I plan to write a cousin of hers who lived in Ardmore at the time, but, in the meantime, any help would be appreciated. Sharon

>From the Lawton (OK) Constitution, Monday, 6 September 2004: Shirley E. Pate Funeral Mass for Shirley E. Pate, 76, Lawton, will be said at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday at Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church with the Rev. James D.M. Stafford, pastor, officiating. Mrs. Pate died Wednesday, Sept. 1, 2004, at her home. Burial will be at Post Cemetery, Fort Sill, under direction of Becker Funeral Home. She was born Aug. 3, 1928, in Le Sueur, Minn., to Leo J. and Iona Hahn Sullivan. She married retired Sgt. James D. Pate on Sept. 3, 1955, in San Antonio. He died in December 1993. She taught school for three years and enlisted in the U.S. Air Force for another three years, until she started her family. She was a member of Frontier Chapel Center at Fort Sill and volunteered for many functions including church activities, the Robert E. Greiner School for the Handicapped and as a greeter at Reynolds Army Community Hospital. Survivors include a son and daughter-in-law, David J. and Becky Pate, Mason City, Iowa; a daughter, Barbara Bobo, Lawton; six grandchildren: Amanda Pate, James Pate, John and Joe Pate, Andrew Bobo and Stephanie Bobo; four great-grandchildren: Lance and Miranda Pate, Jordan Burns and Cassidy Jo Ann Bobo; two sisters: Martha Mandell and Mary Sullivan; and four brothers: Leo Sullivan, Herman Tessman, Arthur Sullivan and Eddie Sullivan. She was preceded in death by her parents; a daughter, Sharon Pate; and a brother, Jimmy Sullivan.

For those who haven't been following the thread of inquiries, I had asked about the whereabouts of Harris (1825) Pate's first wife's grave. She was Margaret Adams, daughter of John P. & Julia NEWTON Adams, and all these individuals and allied families lived in Marlboro Co., SC near the town of Gibson, NC. The book Drake, Elizabeth C. Cemetery Records of Marlboro County, 2nd Edition was referenced utilizing the transcription available at http://www.rootsweb.com/~scmarlbo/marlboro_cem.html and later in print but to no avail. Undaunted, I returned to Marlboro Co., SC to physically search area cemeteries again for the second time in three weeks. Margaret ADAMS Pate is buried in a marked grave in the Newton Cemetery on the west side of Hwy. 385 north of Bennettsville, SC and south of the intersection of said highway and SC 79. She is buried with her mother, father, brothers, sister, and two children. The graves are clearly marked by their original stones in a neatly maintained plot, yet Margaret and one of her children escaped the transcription and therefore are not found in any documentation seen by this researcher. So let this be a lesson. Mining resources on the internet, or in print, is not conclusive evidence. The updated information about Harris' family can be found, along with sources at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jhscarborough&id=I171 -- ------------------ Joseph Harris Scarborough http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jhscarborough http://home.earthlink.net/~jhscarborough/ancestry/

Thank you Joel, sounds interesting and will let you know...your earlier msg. was more than needed as you said--I recall this understanding of the two different mail bases. I apologize for speaking shorthand sometimes, but I wasn't able to open the L-base mails this am, for the first time, and don't know why, but fine now I guess----maybe cyber cowboy was doing a practice run.......... thank you for the help anyway deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Pate<mailto:patej@nettally.com> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Frank S Pate- Starkville MS A correspondent sent me this website link http://docsouth.unc.edu/agnew/agnew.html<http://docsouth.unc.edu/agnew/agnew.html> This site contains the diary of Samuel Andrew Agnew 1833-1902 who apparently was a preacher in the Starkville, Oktibbeha Co MS. The diary refers, several times, to a person only identified as "Pate." Based on the diary entries I would assess the person named "Pate" to have been an individual of some note in the community. The diary makes wonderful reading and offers a window on to the daily lives and struggles of folks during the Civil War I think that "Pate" in this diary is Frank S. Pate b AL ca 1834, a lawyer in Starkville, MS (1860 census). F S Pate of Starkville was also a Private in Company E, 11th Mississippi Infantry Regiment (CSA). F S Pate, a lawyer, b AL ca 1836 appears in the 1870 census of Starkville, Oktibbeha Co, MS Frank S Pate, a lawyer b AL appears in the 1880 census of Clay Co, MS Read the diary and tell me what you think. Joel

A correspondent sent me this website link http://docsouth.unc.edu/agnew/agnew.html This site contains the diary of Samuel Andrew Agnew 1833-1902 who apparently was a preacher in the Starkville, Oktibbeha Co MS. The diary refers, several times, to a person only identified as "Pate." Based on the diary entries I would assess the person named "Pate" to have been an individual of some note in the community. The diary makes wonderful reading and offers a window on to the daily lives and struggles of folks during the Civil War I think that "Pate" in this diary is Frank S. Pate b AL ca 1834, a lawyer in Starkville, MS (1860 census). F S Pate of Starkville was also a Private in Company E, 11th Mississippi Infantry Regiment (CSA). F S Pate, a lawyer, b AL ca 1836 appears in the 1870 census of Starkville, Oktibbeha Co, MS Frank S Pate, a lawyer b AL appears in the 1880 census of Clay Co, MS Read the diary and tell me what you think. Joel

Joe: Looking at the 1900 census of Marlboro Co SC makes me think that the third wife of Harris Pate was Mrs. Sarah Jane PARHAM. There are three people in the household. [Enum Dist 89, sheet 8, Brightsville, site 137/137] Harris Pate 78 Head Sarah J Pate 63 Wife of head of house Samuel Parham 33 son in law to head of house The enumeration for Sarah J Pate has notations that she had been married 53 years, had delivered 13 children 7 of who were alive in 1900. By the way - you may consider adding an 8th child to Harris Pate and Margaret Adams. A son, Harris R Pate b ca Nov 1859 d Aug 1860 of unspecified fever. Source: 1860 census mortality schedule. He would have been the 5th child, third son. The third son was often the "Jr" named for the father in English, Scots, Irish and Welsh origin families in North America 1800-1900. Joel