I don't know if this will help or cause more confusion: Newell Walton Pate Born 17 December 1811 GA Died 1853 - 1855 Henderson Co. TX Married 17 December 1829 Tuscaloosa Co. AL Spouse: Harriet Brown Children Gilbert G. born 1833 Autauga Co. AL (married Catherine C. Stewart) Lewis R. born 1834 AL William born 1835 AL Albert Charles born 1838 AL Thomas Benjamin born 1839 Mary born 1843 MS Martha born 1845 MS 1830 Tuscaloosa Co. AL 1840 Pickens Co. AL 1841 (State census) Itawamba Co. MS 1850 Itawamba Co. MS 1852 purchased land in Henderson Co. TX Had brother Gilbert born 1814 May be of Cherokee Blood Line 183415 Lara AL land records show Gilbert and Newell Pate in Pickens Co. AL Also listed is Charles 1826, Lewis 1854, Thomas 1839, William 1835 all purchased land in Pickens Co. AL Margaret Lindly

This fits my records very closely except for the middle name of Walton. Do you have documents on this name. I would really like to know what the W really stands for. -----Original Message----- From: MargaretLindly@aol.com [mailto:MargaretLindly@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:50 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Looking for Info on Frances M.J. PATE (1850-?) I don't know if this will help or cause more confusion: Newell Walton Pate Born 17 December 1811 GA Died 1853 - 1855 Henderson Co. TX Married 17 December 1829 Tuscaloosa Co. AL Spouse: Harriet Brown Children Gilbert G. born 1833 Autauga Co. AL (married Catherine C. Stewart) Lewis R. born 1834 AL William born 1835 AL Albert Charles born 1838 AL Thomas Benjamin born 1839 Mary born 1843 MS Martha born 1845 MS 1830 Tuscaloosa Co. AL 1840 Pickens Co. AL 1841 (State census) Itawamba Co. MS 1850 Itawamba Co. MS 1852 purchased land in Henderson Co. TX Had brother Gilbert born 1814 May be of Cherokee Blood Line 183415 Lara AL land records show Gilbert and Newell Pate in Pickens Co. AL Also listed is Charles 1826, Lewis 1854, Thomas 1839, William 1835 all purchased land in Pickens Co. AL Margaret Lindly

I am of the opinion Newell W and Gilbert G are brothers. Gilbert G. Pate is my gg-grandfather. They tended to move around in several counties after they came to TX. Anderson, Henderson, VanZandt, Houston, and Milam. I wish I knew for certain who Newell W and Gilbert G's parents were. Jinks helped me a lot with this. She is a wonderful researcher and all round great lady. Grace -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 12:08 AM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Looking for Info on Frances M.J. PATE (1850-?) Ed: The PATE and BROWN surnames seem to be intertwined from AL to MS to TX (1810 - 1910) Suggest you go here http://genforum.genealogy.com/pate/ and "jump" to Messages 2909 2910 2911 2912 Also "Jump" to BROWN Forum and "Jump" to Message 248 The following is taken from Jinks' AL25.1 Start quote: THIS IS STRICTLY A THEORY - but I think Newell W Pate (1811) and Gilbert G Pate (1814)-See Chart AL25.3, must be brothers. The family names are similar - Newell W Pate named his first son, Gilbert; and Gilbert G Pate named his first son, Newell Pate; Newell W Pate was in 1830 Tuscaloosa Co, AL; 1840 Pickens Co, AL and 1850 Itawamba Co, MS; Most of his children moved on to Henderson, Houston and Anderson Cos, TX. End quote I have a couple of THEORIES on these matters. THEORY 1. Newell W Pate b ca 1811 was NEWELL WARD PATE and was so named for a Georgian by the name of Newell Ward b ca 1768 THEORY 2. Newell W Pate b ca 1811 was b in Fayette Co GA THEORY 3. William Henry Brown b 14 mar 1874 in Van Zandt Co TX, the second son of Frances M J Pate and Newell W Brown, was named for his maternal grandfather, William H Pate of Itawamba Co MS. In the 1830 census of Tuscaloosa Co AL Newell W Pate was indexed as NUEL PATES Joel Some of the Tuscaloosa-Pickens Co AL-Itawamba Co MS PATE lines also SEEM to have ended up in Van Zandt Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed-Janis" <ed-Janis@comcast.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Looking for Info on Frances M.J. PATE (1850-?) > > Good evening PATE Listers, > > First and most important, Jinks--you're in my prayers as well--you've > helped me and many others on this list--we're all pulling for you! > > Second, I've learned of a new PATE ancestor that I need to learn more > about--she's Frances M. J. PATE, born in Mississippi about 1850. She > married Newell W. BROWN about 1870 in Van Zandt Co. TX. Will surely > appreciate any info anyone can provide on her family line. > > Thanks > Ed Waller > > > >

Ed: The PATE and BROWN surnames seem to be intertwined from AL to MS to TX (1810 - 1910) Suggest you go here http://genforum.genealogy.com/pate/ and "jump" to Messages 2909 2910 2911 2912 Also "Jump" to BROWN Forum and "Jump" to Message 248 The following is taken from Jinks' AL25.1 Start quote: THIS IS STRICTLY A THEORY - but I think Newell W Pate (1811) and Gilbert G Pate (1814)-See Chart AL25.3, must be brothers. The family names are similar - Newell W Pate named his first son, Gilbert; and Gilbert G Pate named his first son, Newell Pate; Newell W Pate was in 1830 Tuscaloosa Co, AL; 1840 Pickens Co, AL and 1850 Itawamba Co, MS; Most of his children moved on to Henderson, Houston and Anderson Cos, TX. End quote I have a couple of THEORIES on these matters. THEORY 1. Newell W Pate b ca 1811 was NEWELL WARD PATE and was so named for a Georgian by the name of Newell Ward b ca 1768 THEORY 2. Newell W Pate b ca 1811 was b in Fayette Co GA THEORY 3. William Henry Brown b 14 mar 1874 in Van Zandt Co TX, the second son of Frances M J Pate and Newell W Brown, was named for his maternal grandfather, William H Pate of Itawamba Co MS. In the 1830 census of Tuscaloosa Co AL Newell W Pate was indexed as NUEL PATES Joel Some of the Tuscaloosa-Pickens Co AL-Itawamba Co MS PATE lines also SEEM to have ended up in Van Zandt Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed-Janis" <ed-Janis@comcast.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Looking for Info on Frances M.J. PATE (1850-?) > > Good evening PATE Listers, > > First and most important, Jinks--you're in my prayers as well--you've > helped me and many others on this list--we're all pulling for you! > > Second, I've learned of a new PATE ancestor that I need to learn more > about--she's Frances M. J. PATE, born in Mississippi about 1850. She > married Newell W. BROWN about 1870 in Van Zandt Co. TX. Will surely > appreciate any info anyone can provide on her family line. > > Thanks > Ed Waller > > > >

Good evening PATE Listers, First and most important, Jinks--you're in my prayers as well--you've helped me and many others on this list--we're all pulling for you! Second, I've learned of a new PATE ancestor that I need to learn more about--she's Frances M. J. PATE, born in Mississippi about 1850. She married Newell W. BROWN about 1870 in Van Zandt Co. TX. Will surely appreciate any info anyone can provide on her family line. Thanks Ed Waller

I had a mastectomy October 22, 2004 and went through chemo over the holidays and finished in March 2005. I am doing fine and have a very positive attitude. Jinks I know you will make it and so will everyone else. Take care and God Bless to all.

I just read this email and Jinks you will be in my prayers too! I just found out on 5-2-05 that I have breast cancer and have been going through chemo all summer and will continue until January. It was the last thing I expected at 38 years old with two little boys! -----Original Message----- From: TARRIE MEEHAN [mailto:tmeemom@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:26 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pate/Hail Dear Jinks, You are in my prayers, as well. Tarrie Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: Jinks Lee To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Pate/Hail Hi Margaret - haven't heard from you in a while - I'm still kicking too - but just learned I have ovarian cancer, so am going thru chemo, etc - so far, so good!! No real problems. I've been going back over my files and trying to update where I can. One thing we were discussing was the marriage of L A Pate & C C Surles. I finally found some census records on them, if you don't have them 1910 Henderson Co, TX JOHN C Surles, age 54, md (2) 29 yrs; TX/TN/TN Lucy A Surles, age 54, md (1) 29 yrs; TX/GA/GA Andrew D Surles, age 19 Willie V Surles, age 17 (female) 1920 Henderson Co, TX CHRISTOPHER C Surles, age 63; TX/TN/TN Lucy A Surles, age 63; TX/US/US I could not find the family in 1900. Can't imagine why he was listed as John, then as Christopher, or maybe he had 3 "front" names. Also in the 1880 Henderson Co, TX Thomas Miller, age 23 Amanda Miller, age 30, wife Lucy Pate, age 22, sis-in-law Mittie Pate, age 14, sis-in-law (I was given her name as Mary Almittie Pate - md William V Holt -see 1900 census Ella Pate, age 11, step dau Jefferson Pate, age 9, step son Ophilla Pate, age 7, step dau J B Pate, age 5, step son Lucy & Mittie would be sisters of Amanda's first husband, Green Berry Pate - the step children would be children of Amanda & Green Berry Pate. Think we had quite a discussion on these families- what do you think on this?? Jinks Jinks Pate Lee jinksp@juno.com Pate Webpage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~patefamily/index.htm My Direct Line: Desc Charts P-64 & P-16

Bill, it's nice to hear from you. You have shared lots of info. with me also. I have received lots of info. from Billy Garland as well. One other person who has shared info. with me is Martin Lancaster's sister, Lynn Gorges. They are actually descended from the twin Mark but Martin was named after the twin Martin. My line is from the twin Martin though. -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:44 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Bill, et al, FYI I have another Lewis Pate who is the son of Willoughby born in 1819. Guess I was getting the two mixed up. The Pate cemetery in Scotland County NC (it being formed in 1899 off of Richmond county) is a very elaborate cemetery with lots of big stones. Beautiful although it is getting over grown some. Willoughby 1790-1834 is buried there. Wayne County is about 150 miles away to the northeast. My ancestor Robert Peele also came from Wayne county to the same area, seems that there were some movement there but there is another set of Pates in Scotland County living there who was from the brother of your Charles Pate the Rev, primarily Colonel Thoroughgood Pate...... His son another Colonel Thoroughgood Pate is buried in what is called the Old Pate Cemetery just outside a town of Gibson, NC which was supposed started by the Pates. For years the Z V Pate store in that town was the center point of all cotton farming, ginning, etc for that area. I have been there many times as a child. Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM PATE To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com ; horace@peele.info Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Horace, et al: I am descended from Shadrack Pate (son of minister Charles Pate) through Shadrack's son Lewis and thence through Lewis' son, Stephen, my 2nd great grandfather. Lewis Pate left a will which is in the N.C. archives. In it, Lewis lists a son, Willoughby. Others, notably (for me at least) Billie Evans of Garland, N.C., have listed a brother of Lewis as being Willoughby Pate. I have not pursued the lines of brother Willoughby or Lewis' son Willoughby, but in records I remember seeing, I believe Willoughby, son of Lewis, was the father of the twins Mark and Martin Pate. Several years ago, I met the mother of ex-congressman Martin Lancaster at a Pate reunion in Goldsboro. She told me she was descended from Martin Pate for whom (I presume) Lancaster got his first name. I do know that Willoughby Pate is in a number of records, the dates of which would indicate they refer to the later of these two Willoughbys. One or more of them refer to transactions with at least one of the twins also. I'm sorry I haven't put the records I've seen in my computer. They're buried in paper files. My own Pate family cemetery was (some years back when I visited it) in a tobacco field on a farm near Memorial Primitive Baptist Church. I assume though that the Pate Cemetery mentioned here is somewhere else. Is it listed in the Wayne cemeteries book? Bill Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: Flores Family To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Lewis Born:1785, died: 1864 I have that he is buried in the Pate Cemetery, here in Wayne County, NC -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:24 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Hi, Out of curosity, what is the birth date of your Lewis? Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was > Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that > are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my > files > except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from > another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate > Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is > "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the > Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. > > My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son > named > Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children > of Shadrack and Dicey: > 1) John > 2) Lewis (my line) > 3) Willoughby > 4) Penelope "Penny" > 5) Rebecca > 6) Christian "Christo" > 7) Mary "Polly" > 8) Celia > 9) Dicey > 10) Shadrack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > Hello everyone, > > Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the > names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, > son > of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. > > I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who > married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling > that > goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the > second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of > Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. > > > Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother > to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another > Colonel Thor bron 1780... > > Horace > > Descendants of Shadrack Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born > 1765 > > in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married > Dicey > Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born > 17653, > > and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. > > > Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: > > 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died > 26 > Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" > Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died > 05 > Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. > > Notes for Willoughby Pate: > > !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or > occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far > from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. > According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney > Grove Church in 1833. > > 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep > 1858 > > in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne > Co., > NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. > > 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 > Jul > > 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married > John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne > Co., > > NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., > IN7. > > 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 > Oct > > 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born > 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. > > > > > > Endnotes > > > 1. JESmith > > 2. Date will Pobated. > > 3. JESmith > > 4. Ruthanne Holder > > 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. > > 6. Family History > > 7. Ruthanne Holder > > 8. JESmith > > etcu > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > >> This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is >> through >> the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins >> and >> my line is from the twin Martin Pate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM >> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >> >>>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: >> >> Shadrack Pate who had a son named >> >> Willoughby Pate, who had a son named >> >> Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named >> >> William Nelson Pate who had a son named >> >> Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. >> >> comes this question: >> >> >> >> "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" >> >> >> >> I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. >> >> >> >> Source 1: >> >> "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland >> and >> Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" >> by >> Julia Claire Pate, 1958. >> >> >> >> Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- >> >> "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred >> Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: >> >> Willoughby Pate >> >> Samuel Pate >> >> Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) >> >> Thoroughgood Pate II" >> >> Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. >> >> >> >> Source 2: >> >> "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This >> document >> is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. >> >> >> >> The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most >> detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript >> of >> page 11 follows: >> >> >> >> Start >> >> "11 >> >> >> >> The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of >> the data on Shadrack. >> >> >> >> Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area >> known >> as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived >> near the creek known as the Slough. >> >> >> >> The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate >> Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written >> 24May1837 >> (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He >> named >> his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo >> Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to >> the >> son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named >> Rebecca and Mary. >> >> >> >> Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other >> children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. >> There >> is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all >> children. >> >> >> >> The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two >> daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's >> will >> only a year earlier. >> >> >> >> The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named >> Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this >> assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of >> this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair >> Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. >> >> >> >> Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four >> occasions. >> Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. >> One, >> and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the >> 1810 >> Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and >> Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were >> separated >> by some distance. >> >> >> >> His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among >> the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would >> be >> for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his >> daughters >> were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. >> >> >> >> The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo >> Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, >> Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were >> Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." >> >> End >> >> >> >> In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. >> Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> > > >

All, Again, the Piney Grove church mentioned at that time was a Quaker church. The Pates and Peeles in that area in the early 1800 were in fact quakers. It is now a Methodist church. Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM PATE To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com ; horace@peele.info Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Horace, et al: I am descended from Shadrack Pate (son of minister Charles Pate) through Shadrack's son Lewis and thence through Lewis' son, Stephen, my 2nd great grandfather. Lewis Pate left a will which is in the N.C. archives. In it, Lewis lists a son, Willoughby. Others, notably (for me at least) Billie Evans of Garland, N.C., have listed a brother of Lewis as being Willoughby Pate. I have not pursued the lines of brother Willoughby or Lewis' son Willoughby, but in records I remember seeing, I believe Willoughby, son of Lewis, was the father of the twins Mark and Martin Pate. Several years ago, I met the mother of ex-congressman Martin Lancaster at a Pate reunion in Goldsboro. She told me she was descended from Martin Pate for whom (I presume) Lancaster got his first name. I do know that Willoughby Pate is in a number of records, the dates of which would indicate they refer to the later of these two Willoughbys. One or more of them refer to transactions with at least one of the twins also. I'm sorry I haven't put the records I've seen in my computer. They're buried in paper files. My own Pate family cemetery was (some years back when I visited it) in a tobacco field on a farm near Memorial Primitive Baptist Church. I assume though that the Pate Cemetery mentioned here is somewhere else. Is it listed in the Wayne cemeteries book? Bill Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: Flores Family To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Lewis Born:1785, died: 1864 I have that he is buried in the Pate Cemetery, here in Wayne County, NC -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:24 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Hi, Out of curosity, what is the birth date of your Lewis? Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was > Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that > are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my > files > except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from > another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate > Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is > "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the > Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. > > My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son > named > Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children > of Shadrack and Dicey: > 1) John > 2) Lewis (my line) > 3) Willoughby > 4) Penelope "Penny" > 5) Rebecca > 6) Christian "Christo" > 7) Mary "Polly" > 8) Celia > 9) Dicey > 10) Shadrack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > Hello everyone, > > Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the > names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, > son > of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. > > I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who > married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling > that > goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the > second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of > Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. > > > Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother > to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another > Colonel Thor bron 1780... > > Horace > > Descendants of Shadrack Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born > 1765 > > in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married > Dicey > Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born > 17653, > > and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. > > > Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: > > 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died > 26 > Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" > Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died > 05 > Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. > > Notes for Willoughby Pate: > > !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or > occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far > from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. > According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney > Grove Church in 1833. > > 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep > 1858 > > in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne > Co., > NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. > > 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 > Jul > > 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married > John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne > Co., > > NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., > IN7. > > 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 > Oct > > 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born > 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. > > > > > > Endnotes > > > 1. JESmith > > 2. Date will Pobated. > > 3. JESmith > > 4. Ruthanne Holder > > 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. > > 6. Family History > > 7. Ruthanne Holder > > 8. JESmith > > etcu > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > >> This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is >> through >> the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins >> and >> my line is from the twin Martin Pate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM >> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >> >>>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: >> >> Shadrack Pate who had a son named >> >> Willoughby Pate, who had a son named >> >> Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named >> >> William Nelson Pate who had a son named >> >> Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. >> >> comes this question: >> >> >> >> "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" >> >> >> >> I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. >> >> >> >> Source 1: >> >> "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland >> and >> Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" >> by >> Julia Claire Pate, 1958. >> >> >> >> Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- >> >> "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred >> Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: >> >> Willoughby Pate >> >> Samuel Pate >> >> Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) >> >> Thoroughgood Pate II" >> >> Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. >> >> >> >> Source 2: >> >> "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This >> document >> is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. >> >> >> >> The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most >> detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript >> of >> page 11 follows: >> >> >> >> Start >> >> "11 >> >> >> >> The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of >> the data on Shadrack. >> >> >> >> Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area >> known >> as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived >> near the creek known as the Slough. >> >> >> >> The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate >> Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written >> 24May1837 >> (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He >> named >> his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo >> Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to >> the >> son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named >> Rebecca and Mary. >> >> >> >> Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other >> children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. >> There >> is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all >> children. >> >> >> >> The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two >> daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's >> will >> only a year earlier. >> >> >> >> The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named >> Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this >> assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of >> this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair >> Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. >> >> >> >> Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four >> occasions. >> Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. >> One, >> and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the >> 1810 >> Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and >> Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were >> separated >> by some distance. >> >> >> >> His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among >> the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would >> be >> for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his >> daughters >> were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. >> >> >> >> The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo >> Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, >> Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were >> Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." >> >> End >> >> >> >> In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. >> Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> > > >

Bill, et al, FYI I have another Lewis Pate who is the son of Willoughby born in 1819. Guess I was getting the two mixed up. The Pate cemetery in Scotland County NC (it being formed in 1899 off of Richmond county) is a very elaborate cemetery with lots of big stones. Beautiful although it is getting over grown some. Willoughby 1790-1834 is buried there. Wayne County is about 150 miles away to the northeast. My ancestor Robert Peele also came from Wayne county to the same area, seems that there were some movement there but there is another set of Pates in Scotland County living there who was from the brother of your Charles Pate the Rev, primarily Colonel Thoroughgood Pate...... His son another Colonel Thoroughgood Pate is buried in what is called the Old Pate Cemetery just outside a town of Gibson, NC which was supposed started by the Pates. For years the Z V Pate store in that town was the center point of all cotton farming, ginning, etc for that area. I have been there many times as a child. Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM PATE To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com ; horace@peele.info Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Horace, et al: I am descended from Shadrack Pate (son of minister Charles Pate) through Shadrack's son Lewis and thence through Lewis' son, Stephen, my 2nd great grandfather. Lewis Pate left a will which is in the N.C. archives. In it, Lewis lists a son, Willoughby. Others, notably (for me at least) Billie Evans of Garland, N.C., have listed a brother of Lewis as being Willoughby Pate. I have not pursued the lines of brother Willoughby or Lewis' son Willoughby, but in records I remember seeing, I believe Willoughby, son of Lewis, was the father of the twins Mark and Martin Pate. Several years ago, I met the mother of ex-congressman Martin Lancaster at a Pate reunion in Goldsboro. She told me she was descended from Martin Pate for whom (I presume) Lancaster got his first name. I do know that Willoughby Pate is in a number of records, the dates of which would indicate they refer to the later of these two Willoughbys. One or more of them refer to transactions with at least one of the twins also. I'm sorry I haven't put the records I've seen in my computer. They're buried in paper files. My own Pate family cemetery was (some years back when I visited it) in a tobacco field on a farm near Memorial Primitive Baptist Church. I assume though that the Pate Cemetery mentioned here is somewhere else. Is it listed in the Wayne cemeteries book? Bill Pate ----- Original Message ----- From: Flores Family To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Lewis Born:1785, died: 1864 I have that he is buried in the Pate Cemetery, here in Wayne County, NC -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:24 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Hi, Out of curosity, what is the birth date of your Lewis? Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was > Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that > are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my > files > except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from > another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate > Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is > "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the > Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. > > My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son > named > Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children > of Shadrack and Dicey: > 1) John > 2) Lewis (my line) > 3) Willoughby > 4) Penelope "Penny" > 5) Rebecca > 6) Christian "Christo" > 7) Mary "Polly" > 8) Celia > 9) Dicey > 10) Shadrack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > Hello everyone, > > Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the > names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, > son > of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. > > I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who > married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling > that > goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the > second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of > Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. > > > Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother > to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another > Colonel Thor bron 1780... > > Horace > > Descendants of Shadrack Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born > 1765 > > in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married > Dicey > Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born > 17653, > > and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. > > > Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: > > 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died > 26 > Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" > Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died > 05 > Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. > > Notes for Willoughby Pate: > > !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or > occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far > from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. > According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney > Grove Church in 1833. > > 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep > 1858 > > in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne > Co., > NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. > > 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 > Jul > > 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married > John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne > Co., > > NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., > IN7. > > 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 > Oct > > 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born > 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. > > > > > > Endnotes > > > 1. JESmith > > 2. Date will Pobated. > > 3. JESmith > > 4. Ruthanne Holder > > 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. > > 6. Family History > > 7. Ruthanne Holder > > 8. JESmith > > etcu > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > >> This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is >> through >> the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins >> and >> my line is from the twin Martin Pate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM >> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >> >>>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: >> >> Shadrack Pate who had a son named >> >> Willoughby Pate, who had a son named >> >> Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named >> >> William Nelson Pate who had a son named >> >> Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. >> >> comes this question: >> >> >> >> "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" >> >> >> >> I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. >> >> >> >> Source 1: >> >> "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland >> and >> Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" >> by >> Julia Claire Pate, 1958. >> >> >> >> Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- >> >> "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred >> Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: >> >> Willoughby Pate >> >> Samuel Pate >> >> Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) >> >> Thoroughgood Pate II" >> >> Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. >> >> >> >> Source 2: >> >> "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This >> document >> is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. >> >> >> >> The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most >> detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript >> of >> page 11 follows: >> >> >> >> Start >> >> "11 >> >> >> >> The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of >> the data on Shadrack. >> >> >> >> Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area >> known >> as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived >> near the creek known as the Slough. >> >> >> >> The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate >> Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written >> 24May1837 >> (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He >> named >> his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo >> Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to >> the >> son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named >> Rebecca and Mary. >> >> >> >> Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other >> children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. >> There >> is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all >> children. >> >> >> >> The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two >> daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's >> will >> only a year earlier. >> >> >> >> The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named >> Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this >> assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of >> this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair >> Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. >> >> >> >> Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four >> occasions. >> Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. >> One, >> and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the >> 1810 >> Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and >> Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were >> separated >> by some distance. >> >> >> >> His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among >> the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would >> be >> for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his >> daughters >> were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. >> >> >> >> The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo >> Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, >> Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were >> Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." >> >> End >> >> >> >> In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. >> Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> > > >

Lewis Born:1785, died: 1864 I have that he is buried in the Pate Cemetery, here in Wayne County, NC -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:24 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Hi, Out of curosity, what is the birth date of your Lewis? Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was > Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that > are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my > files > except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from > another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate > Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is > "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the > Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. > > My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son > named > Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children > of Shadrack and Dicey: > 1) John > 2) Lewis (my line) > 3) Willoughby > 4) Penelope "Penny" > 5) Rebecca > 6) Christian "Christo" > 7) Mary "Polly" > 8) Celia > 9) Dicey > 10) Shadrack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > Hello everyone, > > Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the > names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, > son > of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. > > I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who > married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling > that > goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the > second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of > Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. > > > Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother > to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another > Colonel Thor bron 1780... > > Horace > > Descendants of Shadrack Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born > 1765 > > in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married > Dicey > Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born > 17653, > > and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. > > > Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: > > 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died > 26 > Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" > Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died > 05 > Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. > > Notes for Willoughby Pate: > > !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or > occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far > from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. > According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney > Grove Church in 1833. > > 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep > 1858 > > in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne > Co., > NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. > > 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 > Jul > > 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married > John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne > Co., > > NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., > IN7. > > 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 > Oct > > 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born > 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. > > > > > > Endnotes > > > 1. JESmith > > 2. Date will Pobated. > > 3. JESmith > > 4. Ruthanne Holder > > 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. > > 6. Family History > > 7. Ruthanne Holder > > 8. JESmith > > etcu > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > >> This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is >> through >> the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins >> and >> my line is from the twin Martin Pate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM >> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >> >>>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: >> >> Shadrack Pate who had a son named >> >> Willoughby Pate, who had a son named >> >> Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named >> >> William Nelson Pate who had a son named >> >> Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. >> >> comes this question: >> >> >> >> "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" >> >> >> >> I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. >> >> >> >> Source 1: >> >> "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland >> and >> Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" >> by >> Julia Claire Pate, 1958. >> >> >> >> Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- >> >> "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred >> Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: >> >> Willoughby Pate >> >> Samuel Pate >> >> Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) >> >> Thoroughgood Pate II" >> >> Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. >> >> >> >> Source 2: >> >> "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This >> document >> is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. >> >> >> >> The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most >> detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript >> of >> page 11 follows: >> >> >> >> Start >> >> "11 >> >> >> >> The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of >> the data on Shadrack. >> >> >> >> Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area >> known >> as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived >> near the creek known as the Slough. >> >> >> >> The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate >> Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written >> 24May1837 >> (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He >> named >> his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo >> Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to >> the >> son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named >> Rebecca and Mary. >> >> >> >> Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other >> children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. >> There >> is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all >> children. >> >> >> >> The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two >> daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's >> will >> only a year earlier. >> >> >> >> The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named >> Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this >> assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of >> this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair >> Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. >> >> >> >> Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four >> occasions. >> Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. >> One, >> and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the >> 1810 >> Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and >> Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were >> separated >> by some distance. >> >> >> >> His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among >> the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would >> be >> for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his >> daughters >> were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. >> >> >> >> The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo >> Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, >> Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were >> Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." >> >> End >> >> >> >> In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. >> Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> > > >

Joel forget the last,the 1810 showed them in Wayne county. Back to square one on the soap creek Pate boys.as they were in Ga, in 1810... TKS Swabbie

Joel are we to assume that John ,Lewis and William are the Soap creek Pates ?The ages could work ? Swabbie .

Hi, Out of curosity, what is the birth date of your Lewis? Horace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was > Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that > are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my > files > except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from > another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate > Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is > "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the > Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. > > My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son > named > Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children > of Shadrack and Dicey: > 1) John > 2) Lewis (my line) > 3) Willoughby > 4) Penelope "Penny" > 5) Rebecca > 6) Christian "Christo" > 7) Mary "Polly" > 8) Celia > 9) Dicey > 10) Shadrack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > Hello everyone, > > Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the > names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, > son > of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. > > I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who > married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling > that > goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the > second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of > Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. > > > Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother > to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another > Colonel Thor bron 1780... > > Horace > > Descendants of Shadrack Pate > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born > 1765 > > in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married > Dicey > Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born > 17653, > > and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. > > > Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: > > 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died > 26 > Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" > Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died > 05 > Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. > > Notes for Willoughby Pate: > > !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or > occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far > from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. > According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney > Grove Church in 1833. > > 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep > 1858 > > in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne > Co., > NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. > > 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 > Jul > > 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married > John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne > Co., > > NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., > IN7. > > 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 > Oct > > 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born > 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. > > > > > > Endnotes > > > 1. JESmith > > 2. Date will Pobated. > > 3. JESmith > > 4. Ruthanne Holder > > 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. > > 6. Family History > > 7. Ruthanne Holder > > 8. JESmith > > etcu > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> > To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > > >> This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is >> through >> the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins >> and >> my line is from the twin Martin Pate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM >> To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate >> >>>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: >> >> Shadrack Pate who had a son named >> >> Willoughby Pate, who had a son named >> >> Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named >> >> William Nelson Pate who had a son named >> >> Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. >> >> comes this question: >> >> >> >> "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" >> >> >> >> I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. >> >> >> >> Source 1: >> >> "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland >> and >> Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" >> by >> Julia Claire Pate, 1958. >> >> >> >> Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- >> >> "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred >> Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: >> >> Willoughby Pate >> >> Samuel Pate >> >> Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) >> >> Thoroughgood Pate II" >> >> Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. >> >> >> >> Source 2: >> >> "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This >> document >> is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. >> >> >> >> The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most >> detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript >> of >> page 11 follows: >> >> >> >> Start >> >> "11 >> >> >> >> The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of >> the data on Shadrack. >> >> >> >> Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area >> known >> as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived >> near the creek known as the Slough. >> >> >> >> The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate >> Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written >> 24May1837 >> (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He >> named >> his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo >> Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to >> the >> son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named >> Rebecca and Mary. >> >> >> >> Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other >> children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. >> There >> is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all >> children. >> >> >> >> The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two >> daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's >> will >> only a year earlier. >> >> >> >> The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named >> Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this >> assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of >> this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair >> Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. >> >> >> >> Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four >> occasions. >> Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. >> One, >> and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the >> 1810 >> Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and >> Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were >> separated >> by some distance. >> >> >> >> His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among >> the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would >> be >> for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his >> daughters >> were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. >> >> >> >> The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo >> Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, >> Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were >> Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." >> >> End >> >> >> >> In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. >> Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> > > >

My uncle did some of the early research and he has that Willoughby was Shadrack and Dicey's son and so do a couple of other Pate researchers that are right here in Patetown. I don't have anything on Willoughby in my files except that he married Aseneath "Teney" Smith. I got some info. from another Pate researcher that there is a Willoughby Pate buried in the Pate Cemetery, Bennettsville, SC and that the inscription on the tombstone is "First Trustee of Piney Grove Church 1833". I wonder if anyone can on the Pate List has a match to this Willoughby. My line is one of Shadrack and Dicey's other sons Lewis who had a son named Willoughby that married Nancy Peacock. I have in my files as the children of Shadrack and Dicey: 1) John 2) Lewis (my line) 3) Willoughby 4) Penelope "Penny" 5) Rebecca 6) Christian "Christo" 7) Mary "Polly" 8) Celia 9) Dicey 10) Shadrack -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele [mailto:horace@peele.info] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:48 PM To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate Hello everyone, Interesting discussion.. I would like to ask if anyone would send me the names, dates, locations, etc., of all the other siblings of Willoughby, son of Shadrack. This is what I have below. I only have the sons. I would like to point out that Penelope was known as Pennina "Penny" who married John Peelle not Peale. Peelle is the original family spelling that goes all the way back to at least 1673. My great granddad dropped the second "l" from his signature. I have a news paper article and picture of Pennina and five generations of girls taken in Indiana. Note that I have Shadrack as the son of Charles (1729) who was the brother to Col Thoroughgood (1735). I have seen the tombstoneof his son, another Colonel Thor bron 1780... Horace Descendants of Shadrack Pate Generation No. 1 1. Shadrack5 Pate (Charles4, Charles3, Thoroughgood2, Thomas1) was born 1765 in Wayne Co., NC1, and died 24 Mar 1837 in Wayne Co., NC2. He married Dicey Peacock, daughter of John Peacock and Priscilla Worrell. She was born 17653, and died Apr 1838 in Wayne Co., NC3. Children of Shadrack Pate and Dicey Peacock are: 2 i. Willoughby6 Pate, born 10 Jul 1790 in Patetown, Wayne Co., NC; died 26 Jul 1834 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. He married Aseneath "Teney" Smith Abt. 1809 in Near Gibson, Richmond Co., NC; born 28 Jul 1788; died 05 Dec 1855 in Pate Cemetery, Richmond Co., NC. Notes for Willoughby Pate: !Willoughby is supposedly buried at the old Willoughby Pate farm, owned or occupied in 1958 by Duncan D. Norton. The Willoughby Pate farm is not far from the old Thoroughgood Pate place, about 3 miles south of Gibson, NC. According to records Willoughby Pate was the first Trustee of old Piney Grove Church in 1833. 3 ii. Silas Daniel Pate, born 25 Mar 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died 12 Sep 1858 in Wayne Co., NC. He married Christian Ammons; born Abt. 1794 in Wayne Co., NC; died Aft. Dec 1872 in Wayne Co., NC. 4 iii. Pennina "Penny" Pate, born 25 Aug 1795 in Wayne Co., NC4; died 28 Jul 1892 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN. She married John Peelle 06 Mar 1815 in Richmond Co., NC5; born 27 May 1791 in Wayne Co., NC6; died 20 Apr 1879 in Willow Grove Cemetery, Fountain City, Wayne Co., IN7. 5 iv. Shadrack "Shade" Pate, born 10 Mar 1807 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Oct 1891 in Wayne Co., NC8. He married Penelope "Penny" Howell Abt. 1827; born 06 May 1813 in Wayne Co., NC8; died 11 Jul 1869 in Wayne Co., NC8. Endnotes 1. JESmith 2. Date will Pobated. 3. JESmith 4. Ruthanne Holder 5. Descendants fo Robert Peele I and Allied Families, Mary Spiron, 1993. 6. Family History 7. Ruthanne Holder 8. JESmith etcu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores Family" <floresfamily@esn.net> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > This is my family line. I have a lot of info. on this. My line is > through > the Shadrack and Willoughby Pate also. Willoughby's son Lewis had twins > and > my line is from the twin Martin Pate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Pate [mailto:patej@nettally.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:06 PM > To: PATE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] Willoughby Pate, son of Shadrack Pate > >>From MaryAnn Hormuth, a PATE-L subscriber, whose line includes: > > Shadrack Pate who had a son named > > Willoughby Pate, who had a son named > > Benagy "Ben" Pate who had had a son named > > William Nelson Pate who had a son named > > Andrew Liddon Pate, Sr. > > comes this question: > > > > "How sure are we that Shadrack is the father of Willoughby Pate?" > > > > I turned to two sources to try to find an answer to this question. > > > > Source 1: > > "PATE-ADAMS-NEWTON And Allied Families Principally In Richmond, Scotland > and > Robeson Counties In North Carolina And Marlboro County, South Carolina" by > Julia Claire Pate, 1958. > > > > Julia Claire Pate wrote, on page 3 of her book- > > "Tradition is that Thoroughgood Pate's first wife was Winifred > Stewart. By this marriage he had the following children: > > Willoughby Pate > > Samuel Pate > > Stephen Pate (who it is said went West) > > Thoroughgood Pate II" > > Julia Claire Pate offered nothing further to support this assertion. > > > > Source 2: > > "PATE PIONEERS ON THE PEE DEE RIVER" by J. R. Peacock, 1987. This > document > is a basic monograph with addenda released privately by Dr. Peacock. > > > > The question as to the parents of Willoughby Pate is dealt with in a most > detailed manner on page 11 of the basic monograph. A partial transcript > of > page 11 follows: > > > > Start > > "11 > > > > The writer is indebted to Mrs. Nancy Taylor of Rocky Mount NC for much of > the data on Shadrack. > > > > Shadrack lived most of his adult life in the Wayne County area known > as "the Slough". He married Dicey Peacock. Peacock families also lived > near the creek known as the Slough. > > > > The Census records of Wayne County for 1790 and 1800 indicate > Shadrack had at least four sons, possibly five. His will, written > 24May1837 > (Wayne County Loose Estate Records) names only one - Shadrack, Jr. He > named > his wife, Dicey, and daughters named Selah Pate, Dicey Phillips, Christo > Pate, Rebecca Wright, Penelopy Peale and Mary Robertson, in addition to > the > son Shadrack Jr. The reader will recall that Shadrack had sisters named > Rebecca and Mary. > > > > Genealogists enter into hot debate over the possibility of other > children when terms such as "all heirs" so not appear in old wills. There > is good evidence that this family did not feel compelled to name all > children. > > > > The will of the widow, Dicey, was dated Nov1838. She omitted two > daughters, Christo Pate and Penelope Peale, who are named in Shadrack's > will > only a year earlier. > > > > The assumption is made here that Shadrack and Dicey had sons named > Willoughby, John, Lewis, William and Shadrack Jr. Some basis for this > assumption will be offered for Willoughby because he moved to the area of > this subject, Pate Pioneers on the Pee Dee River, and because Julia Clair > Pate considered he to be a son of Thor. and Winefred. > > > > Willoughby appears in the records of Wayne County on four occasions. > Three of these were when he served as a witness to deeds for Shadrack. > One, > and possibly two, were prior to his marriage. The fourth record is the > 1810 > Census. The 1810 Census of Wayne County lists Shadrack, John, Lewis and > Willoughby in adjacent households. Other Pates in the County were > separated > by some distance. > > > > His sister, Penelope, appears to have married Willis Peale. Among > the names given to Willoughby's sons were Lewis and Willis. These would > be > for a brother and a brother-in-law. Among the names given to his > daughters > were Penelope and Mary. These were names of his sisters. > > > > The family bible of Willoughby is recorded in the files of Leonardo > Andrea, who was identified earlier. The sons were Currington, Benjamin, > Smithy, Lewis, Nicholas, Harris, Travis, and Willis. The daughters were > Sarah, Mary, Rebecca, Penelope and Julaney." > > End > > > > In my OPINION, Jim Peacock is correct in his analysis and conclusions. > Willoughby Pate was the son of Shadrach Pate and Dicey Peacock. > > > > Joel > > >

There is a Pate document on ebay under the title: "Genealogy Antique document Pate of Hope Flintshire 1866" refers to Ellen Pate the wife of Owen Pate

Christoper & Joel - I see I've corresponded with Chris before, so don't have anything new on these families, and looks like Joel has it right. The only thing I can add is that Clarence Morton Pate, Sr married a second time to a Nell (maiden name unknown) And I'm not sure Jeremiah Pate (c 1745-1797) was married to Mary BENDER. There is a marriage of Jeremiah to a Bender, but I'm not sure they are one and the same. This Jeremiah Pate died 1797 in Botetourt Co, VA. These families are on my Pate webpage under the Desc Chart P-64, but think it only goes down to John Pate md Jennett Crawford. If I can help further, let me know. Jinks Pate Lee jinksp@juno.com Pate Webpage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~patefamily/index.htm My Direct Line: Desc Charts P-64 & P-16

Chris: Jinks is by far the best authority on the Edward Pate- Martha Tinsley line. I offer this as speculation: Edward Pate and Martha Tinsley Jeremiah Pate and Mary H "Polly" Bender John C Pate and Jennett "Jane" Crawford John Allen Pate and Matilda Harriet Morton Edward Samuel Pate and Anna Martha "Mattie" Hodges Clarence M (Morton) Pate Sr and Gertrude I (b Canada Dec 1871) Clarence M (Morton) Pate Jr [The "M" in Clarence M Pate appears as Morton in one record. Given that his grandmother's maiden name was Morton, I'd put my bet on Morton] KY Census Records: 1920 Jefferson Co., Enum Dist 127, sheet 12, Louisville, site 137/188 (1925 Brandies Street) 1910 Jefferson Co., Enum Dist 112, sheet 8, Louisville, site 153/195 1900 Jefferson Co., Enum Dist 69, sheet 14, 7 Ward, Louisville site 229/244 1880 Jefferson Co., Enum dist 150, sheet 39, page 459, Louisville, site 372/413 1860 Breckinridge Co., Page 556, Hardinburg, site 181/181 Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Pate" <patechri@yahoo.com> To: <PATE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: [PATE GENEALOGY] PATE GENEALOGY] Edward Samuel Pate (1834-1893) > > I am searching for the father and grandfather of > Edward Samuel Pate (1834-1893). He is buried in a > family plot in Cave Hill Cemetray, Louisville, KY. > > I am descended from Clarence M. Pate of Louisville, > KY. > > I would appreciate any information available. > > Christopher Pate > > >

I am searching for the father and grandfather of Edward Samuel Pate (1834-1893). He is buried in a family plot in Cave Hill Cemetray, Louisville, KY. I am descended from Clarence M. Pate of Louisville, KY. I would appreciate any information available. Christopher Pate

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