I agree. He could be considered famous but from everything I have found, he is NOT a hero the family could be proud of. He was a very vindictive man, was not thought highly of by his peers and it wasn't until the last battle he fought in did Jeb Stuart decide he was a good soldier. Obviously, he is in our family history, but I do not support placing him in the same company as famous Pates. Maybe a new category of infamous Pates. I would like to ask if the young man who raced in the Tour de France is included on our list? Jerry Pait -------Original Message------- From: AJ Date: 5/25/2010 9:48:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Henry Clay Pate When we were compiling the list of Famous Pate's, Henry Clay Pate was discussed as a possible honoree. Though he undoubtedly displayed bravery on occasion, we felt that his overall record was rather checkered and undistinguished. His main claim to fame was leading a military unit to capture John Brown. The humiliating result was losing to John Brown's smaller ragtag "army" in two hours and having to surrender himself. Those interested can learn more about him here: http://kansasboguslegislature org/mo/pate_h_c.html This appears to be an article biased against him, but nevertheless contains enough factual information to arrive at a conclusion. A. J. Pate ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

April, My records list Allen Pate as the son of Benjamin Allen Pate and Judith (Pate) Pate and born between 1794 and 1804. I do not have parents for Benjamin Allen Pate. My records also list Judith (Pate) Pate as the daughter of Jeremiah Pate and _____ (_____) Pate, married Benjamin Allen Pate on Dec 30, 1790, in Bedford County, Virginia, and resided on May 23, 1801, in Breckenridge County, KY. And my records list Jeremiah Pate as the son of 1768 (year of death) Edward Pate of Bedford County, VA, (place of death) and Martha (_____) Pate and born probably before 1751 and possibly before 1741 and possibly in about 1728. Hope this is of help to you. Bob Grant 15 Campo Bello Court Menlo Park, CA 94025 On 5/25/2010 9:42 AM, April Johnson wrote: > The following is excerpted from the website of Linda Anderson Knapp > <http://lindaknapp0.tripod.com/ourfamilytreestwo/id2.html> > http://lindaknapp0.tripod.com/ourfamilytreestwo/id2.html > > > > "Allen Pate was born on 21 Mar 1796 in Bedford Co., Virginia, died on 10 Dec > 1852 in Brown Twp., Martin Co., Indiana and was buried in Williams Cem., > Brown Tp., Martin Co., Indiana." > > "Allen married Mary Oram, daughter of Samuel Oram and Mary, on 8 Jan 1819 in > Breckinridge Co., KY. Mary was born about 1800 in Clark Co., Kentucky, died > about 1882 in Martin Co., Indiana and was buried in Williams Cem., Brown > Tp., Martin Co., Indiana. > > Their children were: > > i. Melvina Pate (born on 1 Aug 1819 in Breckinridge Co., Kentucky - died on > 27 Aug 1868 in Indiana) > 14 ii. Benjamin Allen Pate (born on 28 Jul 1822 in Breckinridge Co., > Kentucky - died on 9 Feb 1892 in Indiana) > iii. John Oram Pate (born on 23 Sep 1823 in Breckinridge Co., Kentucky - > died on 26 Jun 1847 in Lawrence Co., Indiana) > iv. Minor Pate (born on 26 Feb 1826 in Breckinridge Co., Kentucky - died on > 4 Jan 1897 in Green Co., Indiana) > v. James M. Pate (born on 10 Jan 1828 in Breckinridge Co., Kentucky - died > on 1 Jun 1848 in Lawrence Co., Indiana) > vi. Elizabeth Pate (born in 1829 in Breckinridge Co., Kentucky -) > vii. Mary Ann Pate (born on 9 Dec 1831 in Kentucky Or Indiana - died on 24 > Mar 1916 in Indiana) > viii. William W. Pate (born on 24 Jan 1833 in Kentucky Or Indiana -) > ix. Judith P. Pate (born on 23 Jan 1835 in Lawrence Co., Indiana - died > before 1880 in Indiana) > x. Richard M. Pate (born on 31 Jan 1837 in Lawrence Co., Indiana - died > after 1880)" > > > > > > Does anyone know who the parents of this Allen Pate (1796-1852) were? I've > searched Pate-L and can't find a quick answer! :) > > > > I'm very interested in this Pate family, as they are nearby some BLAIR > families in this part of Indiana, which is where my Gg-grandmother Lucinda > Blair Pate lived in during the infant years of her life; and, again there > seems to be that Breckinridge Co. KY connection, too. > > > > Thanks in advance for any replies, > > April > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Clovis, I would contact you personally instead of through the Pate website if I could be certain which address was correct. Were you hacked twice within a day or so? I received the "asking for $$'s" e-mail after I received notices of 2 address changes. Please contact me personally at [email protected] rather than clutter up the listserve. Thanks. If this e-mail can be purged later, please do so. Nita -----Original Message----- From: Clovis <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Paula Hurst <[email protected]>; Rebecca <[email protected]>; Sandra <[email protected]>; Steve <[email protected]>; Sue <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 1:53 pm Subject: [PATE] New Email address Hacked again. New email address: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When we were compiling the list of Famous Pate's, Henry Clay Pate was discussed as a possible honoree. Though he undoubtedly displayed bravery on occasion, we felt that his overall record was rather checkered and undistinguished. His main claim to fame was leading a military unit to capture John Brown. The humiliating result was losing to John Brown's smaller ragtag "army" in two hours and having to surrender himself. Those interested can learn more about him here: http://kansasboguslegislature.org/mo/pate_h_c.html This appears to be an article biased against him, but nevertheless contains enough factual information to arrive at a conclusion. A. J. Pate

In my paper on Sir John Pate, I mentioned the memorial to Sir John and Elizabeth Pate which is in St. Mary's church in Melton Mowbray. The memorial was placed there by their two daughters and honors them both, but only Elizabeth is buried there. Sir John was buried in London. The inscription is in Latin, and I am posting it here in the hope that one of you may be a Latin scholar or may know one. The following is quoted from Nichols, Vol. II, Part I, p. 253: In the south transept, now called 'The Old Chancel', formerly a separate chapel, on a mural alabaster monument are these arms: On a wreath, Argent, three text r's Sable; Pate; impaling, Barry of eight, Argent and Gules per pale countercharged, in chief a greyhound currant, Sable, Skipworth. Crest, a stag's head caboshed, Or; a raven reguardant, with wings expanded, Sable. The inscription is: M. S. Johannis & Elizabethae Pate; quos Deus una, Mors gemina carne fecit, hos rejunxit hoc marmor, Siste, & aspecta, quisquis es qui praeteris, Johanne Pate (de Sysonby in comitatu Leicestriensi) baronettu, virum egregium, Antiqua familia Patorurn de Kettlebee ortu, natalibus majorem, vitae mortisque intregru, affertorem causae Angustae Caroli Primi (semper beatae memoriae Principem) strenuu, forte, fidu, votu piu a quo licet cecidit, nil addat celebrius Famae tuba. Quem juxta recumbit (velut in amplexu) Elizabetha, generis sui gloria, exemplar vitae probae, mortisque benedictae, Gulielmi Skipwith, comitatus Leicestrensis, militis & baronetti, filia, conjux fidissima, quae peperit 5 filios (omnes emortuos) filiasque totide, quaru superstites Abigail, Thomae Smith, de Hatherton, in comitatu Cestrensi, baronetti, & Francisca Caroli Carington, Barone de Wootton, comitatus Warwicensis, filli natu 4, conjuges dilectissimae, & moerentes cohaerdes, sumptibus suis monumentu hoc impar parentibus posuerunt charissimis, quoru ille ritu sepulcrali donatus apud Stu Egidiu prope Lond. anno 1659, aetatis sexagesimo septimo; Illa, sub hac terra, die Augusti decimo septimo, anno 1628, aetatis suae 37, Resurrectionem praestolantes. Amen. A. J. Pate

Well said Troy . Laurie Thompson Australia whose wife was a Pate descendant from the Edinburgh area in Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Pate To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] PATE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 127 I have seen the post and apology and have to say both of these men are men I look up to. Obviously we have all said or have thought something one time or another in our lives too hastily and have regret the instant it's out. I would expect there's someone out there for each of us when we reach out in confidence to vent. I humbly ask for all Pate friends and family here to delete, forgive, and move on. We are Pates, all of us, with a common hope to find our history. Kind Regards, Troy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William, Thanks for the very nice words on my paper. It especially means a lot to me since you have also done some serious research on Sir John Pate and his family, which I referenced in my paper. Like you, I found the study to be very fascinating with all the new information that I discovered. For example, at the end of the paper, I mention the papers of Sir Harvey Bagott. I only discovered him and his connections just last week. What I wrote about him came from three completely unrelated documents. First, I found an obscure reference to his papers which mentioned correspondence with Sir John Pate in the years just before his death. Once Bagott's name had come to my attention, in another paper I discovered that Sir John's second wife was his step-daughter, and a third document told of how he and Sir John had both been military leaders in defense of King Charles. This is just an example of how people and events are often interwoven, and makes for fascinating research. So relatively little had been known about Sir John previously, he really came alive as a person during my research. I had not known that he was a highly educated man. It was enlightening to realize that he was a contemporary of all the Pate's coming to colonial Virginia. They had come to Virginia because of the same conflicts that he was engaged in on the battlefield. I had never made that connection before. The timeline really highlights that. He had so many misfortunes in his life that I came to feel a lot of compassion for him. The dry facts on paper sometimes obcure the real person, until you think of him as a living man who felt pain and grief. He had eight children die before him, including the loss of his only two sons which meant his baronetcy would not be inherited but become extinct at his death. He lost his first wife and mother of his children when she was only 37 years old. A brother was killed in the civil war. After his losing fight for the monarchy, he was heavily fined (over 100,000 British pounds in today's value), lost many citizenship privileges and his estate, basically ending his life in exile, dying in London rather than on his family estate. You mention the will of Dame Jane Skipwith, which is a fascinating document on its own. I have found more information on her and some of those family connections, and I am hopeful that I can sort them out in a future paper. I believe she was the second wife of Sir William Skipwith, a very famous and wealthy man of his day. He was the father of Elizabeth, Sir John's first wife. Strangely, Nichols' massive work did not include her will nor a discussion of it. That could have provided very valuable insights and information. During this research, I have accumulated so much information about the Pate's in England in the 1600s that I am optimistic that I may be able to link them to the colonial Pate's, or at least to each other. For instance, you mention Henry Pate who came to colonial Virginia with his wife and duaghter. Henry had been a common name in the Leicestershire Pate's (and Skipwith's), perhaps being named after the series of kings named Henry, whom they had served in various capacities. Henry's daughter was named Katherine, which was also the name of the wife of Edward Pate, lord of the Eye-Kettleby manor. These name patterns may hold some valuable clues. It is frustrating, but I am still unable to find any references at all to Thoroughgood Pate in England, though he and Henry had some common dealings in Virginia. If some of those wills I mentioned in my paper can ever be found, we might get lucky and find Thoroughgood's name in one of them. At some point, I intend to prepare another paper with a broader scope on Pate's in England with the purpose of discovering or deducing as many relationships between them as I can. Once again, I will refer to your excellent work as an aid in sorting them out. Thanks again for the nice words. They help make the effort worthwhile, knowing that it is appreciated. A. J. ________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:23:16 -0400 From: "WILLIAM PATE" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] The Troubled Times of Sir John Pate AJ: Please let me congratulate you on a marvelous and extremely significant work on Sir John Pate. When I discovered the Leceister account of the Eye Kettlebye estate and some few facts on Sir John, during my researches, that was fascinating. But you have opened my eyes to a great deal about Sir John and his relations that I could only speculate about. Thank you for providing all this to all of us interested in the family name. Though I cannot claim any direct connection to Edward Pate, his son Henry or his grandson Sir John, I will attach your work as a part of my own family genealogy. I hope you approve. Since you properly dealt only with all that you could find related to Sir John, I know this is not exactly attachable to it. But I have also been fascinated by the will of Dame Jane Skipwith who one researcher called the "aunt to the world" for her inclusion of so many people. In her will, she included some Pates (among them a Henry Pate) who she regarded as family. As I'm sure you know, a Henry Pate, his wife and (I believe) sister came to America and settled up in the Northern Neck of Virginia in Westmoreland County. Henry was listed on the accounts a merchant named Lund as was a Thoroughgood Pate. I'm writing this without my genealogy in front of me, so I'm a bit sketchy on dates and full names, but I was wondering whether you had encountered any of this in your researches and whether there was any possibility of relationships? Anyway, congratulations again on such a fine job on Sir John. William T. Pate

Another article on this subject: http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=217161 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ThorPateLine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:16 AM Subject: [PATE] NEWS - Thomas Pate - TN - accused of murder http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/tennessee/050409_Pate_Claims_Wifes_Death_an_Accident ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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PATE, Rev. Morris age 69 a resident of Montgomery, AL went home to be with the Lord on Friday May 21,2010 at a local hospital. Funeral services will be held on Tuesday May 25, 2010 at Evangel Temple Assembly of God at 10:00 a.m. with Rev. Vaudie Lambert and Rev. Jimmy Williams officiating. The interment will follow at Greenwood Cemetery. He was preceded in death by his parents Leonard Houston and Willie Mae Sanderson Jones Pate, and grandson Christopher Alan Pate. He served as a pastor of First Assembly of God in Millbrook, AL for the last 26 years. He was also a part of the Alabama District of the Assemblies of God Ministry for the last 50 years. He was the owner of Mr. Bicycle Bike Shop for many years in Montgomery,AL . He enjoyed spending time with his family, grandchildren and serving those in need and for the continued growth of his church vision.. He is survived by his loving wife of 52 wonderful years Jimmie Louise Pate of Montgomery, AL, daughters Willisha M. Pate (Lisa) of Pensacola, FL, Heather Oppenlander (Jerry) of Millbrook, AL, sons Eddie Pate (MaryAnn) of Montgomery, AL, Randy Pate (Ginger) of Montgomery, AL, Mark Pate (Lynn) of Millbrook, AL, Mike Pate (Licia) of Montgomery, AL grandchildren Matthew, Rachel, Bethany, Hannah, Taylor (Papa's Possum), brothers Rev. Leonard Gene Pate (Sandra) of Loxley,AL, Michael Taft Jones (Laurie) of Birmingham, AL. He was a great husband, father, grandfather and friend and we will miss him dearly. Daddy, we will meet you in the sweet by and by. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to the First Assembly of God of Millbrook, AL Building Fund ,3511 Shirley Lane Millbrook, AL 36054 for the completion of the new sanctuary.The family will receive friends on Monday May 24,2010 from 6-8 p.m. at the funeral home. Brookside Funeral Home of Millbrook, AL directing.

Found this news in the Houston Herald (TX) - will send OBIT to list when it appears. A Plato man, Donald Pate, 71, died this morning from injuries sustained in an ATV accident last night. Posted: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:53 am | Updated: 2:00 pm, Mon May 24, 2010. A Plato man died Monday morning from injuries sustained in an ATV crash north of Evening Shade the previous evening. Dead is Donald Pate, 71, who died at Cox South in Springfield. Tpr. Myron Downey said a 2010 Honda ATV driven by Claude G. Von Plueren, 63, of Plato, slowed to make a left turn when a 2004 Honda ATV driven by Pate struck it in the rear. The impact caused the Pate-operated ATV to overturn, ejecting him, Downey said. Pate was taken to Fort Leonard Wood General Hospital and later transferred.

http://www.rolandfsobits.com/obits/obituaries.php/obitID/726950 - Photo available JOE PATE Joseph "Joe" William Pate, age 48, of Atlantic, Iowa, passed on to be with the Lord on May 10, 2010 at his home. Joe was born the son of Jake C. Pate and Joanne C. (Bennett) Pate in Glendale, California on November 8, 1961. He attended Burbank High School and continued his education in the Air Force where he received an Associate Degree in Business Management and a Bachelors Degree in Tele Communications Systems. He served in communications in the United States Air Force and was stationed six years in Germany and at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. He settled in Atlantic, Iowa where he owned and operated his own video productions business for ten years and helped out at Camblin Mechanical, Inc for the last two years. Joe was married to Stacy Ann Williams in Atlantic on December 21, 1995. The couple was blessed with four children. Joe's hobbies and interests include achieving a Tae-Kwan-Do second degree black belt and Air Force Back Up for 1988 Olympics; delighting audiences when he was an official stand-up comedian at the Funny Bone Theater in Omaha, Nebraska in 1987 and 1988; and taking third place in the 1990 Corn Husker Comedian Competition. Joe enjoyed fishing, camping, barbequing, dancing and Frisbee Golf with family and friends. He is survived by his wife Stacy; four children, Brooke, Vanessa, Daniel and Dillon, all of Atlantic, IA; one granddaughter Airika Pate; his mother Joanne Gilbertsen of Carroll, IA; two sisters, Teri Rich and Sheri Cooper, both of Burbank, CA; his grandmother Marion Reich of Burbank, CA; six brothers-in-law and sisters in-law; and a number of nieces and nephews, including Johnny Mann of Carroll, IA. He was preceded in passing by his sister Lorry Mehmen and his Grandfather Robert Reich. IN REMEMBRANCE OF Joseph "Joe" William Pate Born November 8, 1961 Glendale, California ENTERED INTO REST May 10, 2010 At the age of 48 years, 6 months, 2 days FUNERAL SERVICE Ten O'clock in the Morning Saturday, May 15, 2010 Roland Funeral Home Atlantic, Iowa OFFICIATING Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints President, Dale Willenborg MUSICAL SELECTIONS "The Iron Rod" "The Spirit of God" MUSICIANS Dianne Wiullenborg Connie Burns Pat Sellers CASKET BEARERS Randy Watts Ray Williams Donnie Briggs Zac Watts Anthony Preston Preston Stamp LUNCHEON The family invites relatives and friends to join them for a luncheon at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints following the service. Funeral Information There will be open visitation daily from 8:00 to 5:30 at the Roland Funeral Home - until visitation, with the family present, to be held from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M. on Friday, May 14. The funeral service will be at 10:00 A.M. Saturday, May 15 at Roland Funeral Home. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints President Dale Willenburg will officiate. The committal service will follow in the Atlantic Cemetery in Atlantic, Iowa with military services. Roland Funeral Service of Atlantic, Iowa is caring for Joe's family and the arrangements. Condolences for the family may be left on their website at www.rolandfuneralservice.com.

Some points of clarification and correction: David Marshall Williams Sr, also known as "Carbine Williams" was initially charged with the first degree murder of Cumberland Co., NC Deputy Sheriff Alfred Jackson Pate. Williams plead guilty to a reduced charge of second degree murder and was duly and lawfully convicted of that crime. His sentence was commuted and he did not serve the full sentence he was given. As with any military weapon, it must be properly cleaned and maintained Williams was a gunsmith and holds or held a US patent for a gas blow back short piston stroke rotating bolt extractor for a semi-automatic rifle. Williams DID NOT design or invent the .30 caliber M1 carbine. The M1 carbine was designed by gunsmiths at Winchester Arms and a short stroke piston extractor system, similar in design to that of Williams is part of the rifle's operating mechanism. A movie titled "Carbine Williams" was made in 1952. It is a fictionalized portrayal of Williams life and supposed role in the design of the M1 carbine. Jimmy Stewart (not Gary Cooper) played the role of Williams. Williams was a consultant for this film. Williams was , in fact, employed by Winchester and some of his designs were used in long guns sold by Winchester. I own a Winchester Model 50, 20 gauge shotgun with a rotating bolt extractor, after the Williams design. I have replaced the bolt in this shotgun twice. I also own a M1 Carbine manufactured by the Saginaw Steering Gear Company, then an operating division of General Motors. I have fired more than 700 rounds with this rifle and never experienced a single jam or malfunction of any kind. As with any military weapon, it must be properly cleaned and maintained. Please use the search feature to search the Pate List Serve Archives. Search on the keyword - carbine. Google the terms "M1 Carbine" and "Carbine Williams" Also search the "filmography" of Jimmy Stewart. Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

Let's not have these pissing contests on this forum. Thanks

Just a small comment on the Famous Pates list. My ancestor is Mary Elisabeth Pate (c.1820) md to John Anderson Martin--Bibb Co. Ala. She did nothing to become Famous to the world except she was my grandmother and I am so proud of her and she is on my Famous Pate list Leah Wakefield

AJ: Please let me congratulate you on a marvelous and extremely significant work on Sir John Pate. When I discovered the Leceister account of the Eye Kettlebye estate and some few facts on Sir John, during my researches, that was fascinating. But you have opened my eyes to a great deal about Sir John and his relations that I could only speculate about. Thank you for providing all this to all of us interested in the family name. Though I cannot claim any direct connection to Edward Pate, his son Henry or his grandson Sir John, I will attach your work as a part of my own family genealogy. I hope you approve. Since you properly dealt only with all that you could find related to Sir John, I know this is not exactly attachable to it. But I have also been fascinated by the will of Dame Jane Skipwith who one researcher called the "aunt to the world" for her inclusion of so many people. In her will, she included some Pates (among them a Henry Pate) who she regarded as family. As I'm sure you know, a Henry Pate, his wife and (I believe) sister came to America and settled up in the Northern Neck of Virginia in Westmoreland County. Henry was listed on the accounts a merchant named Lund as was a Thoroughgood Pate. I'm writing this without my genealogy in front of me, so I'm a bit sketchy on dates and full names, but I was wondering whether you had encountered any of this in your researches and whether there was any possibility of relationships? Anyway, congratulations again on such a fine job on Sir John. William T. Pate

Altus Times (OK) 19 Jul 2001 Edition Pate Donald E. Pate, 53, passed away Tuesday at Integris Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City. Services will be at 10 a.m. Friday at the First United Methodist Church of Hollis, with Rev. Dee Willis and Bob Garton officiating. Burial will follow at the Fairmount Cemetery. Services are under the direction of Stewart Funeral Service. He was born Sept. 29, 1947 in Altus to Al and Maybelle Pate. After graduating from Duke High School in 1965, he attended Southwestern Oklahoma State University, where he majored in accounting. He married Vickie Hamilton in 1968 and they had two children, Craig and Kristi. After college he worked in many company management positions. He eventually became materials manager at Viskase in Centerville, Iowa. After living in Centerville for 12 years, he retired and moved to Hollis. He was member of the Methodist Church, president of Appanoose County Railroad Board, and served in the National Guard for nine years. He enjoyed golfing, fishing and spending time with friends at the Hollis Inn. Survivors include his wife, Vickie of the home; son, Craig Pate of Moore; daughter, Kristi Pate of Stillwater; sister Alene and husband Bob Macaulay of Weatherford; mother, Maybelle Pate,; mother-in-law, Billie Jo Hamilton; five sisters-in-law, Jan and husband Rodney Hale of Hollis, Susie and husband Brent Cummins, of Altus, Kim Ward and Tony Romero of Tucson, Ariz., Carla and husband Bret Mason and Tonia and husband Karl Von Luhrte all of Anchorage, Alaska; five nephews and two nieces. He was preceded in death by his father. Al Pate in March *DONALD E PATE * *29 Sep 1947* *17 Jul 2001* *(Hollis, Harmon, OK <http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/OK/Harmon>)* *445-46-3826* *OK* MAYBELLE PATE 16 Jul 1913 23 Jan 2010 (Weatherford, Custer, OK <http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/OK/Custer>) ( 445-48-9423 OK

I want the Listserve to know that I have received a very gracious email from Joel about the recent unpleasantness, even more gracious than could have been expected under the circumstances. I think we both are committed to advancing the best interests of our Project and the Listserve. Pate genealogy will continue to be the beneficiary of the best efforts of us all. A. J.

Hacked again. New email address: [email protected]

My dad was a PATE. AJ is a PATE. My dad could mix words with the best of them. Intelligence was not a problem for my dad, he had plenty of that. He also could talk the rough language. Those who knew him well just laughed about it. He did not mean a lot by it. That was just the way he was and it rolled out of him without much effort. To his credit, he did try to eleminate some of it when he finaly was forced to sit in the house all day with my mom.   Ages ago when Congressman Charley Wilson (famous for the movie, Charley Wilson's War) was still a State Congressman, he walked into my dad's place of business as he was accustomed to do in Lufkin. A discussion about the proposed state sales tax which was an idea floating around Austin at that time (this was a long time ago) took place. My dad received assurances from Charley that he was going to vote against it. The next thing that happened, Charles Wilson not only voted for it, he may have introduced the bill. The next time Charley walked into Dad's store, Dad called him the same bad name AJ used and Charley just laughed. Charley enjoyed the whole scenario.   I hope Joel is as thick skinned as Charley Wilson. The point I am trying to make is that sometimes men can use language around each other that isn't necessarily derogatory but sounds terrible when written. Depends on the man. I hope the parties involved can work this out. I thought it was good for a laugh as I was reminded of my dad. Too bad we are not selling subscrptions to the Pate list serve. It would be great salesmanship.   I do not read everything that comes to my email box from the Pate genealogy or DNA website unless it is from AJ, Joel, or Joe Scarborough. These are the guys who have the most knowledge and the most relevant things to say. I saved AJ's "The Troubled Times.." research because I recognized it as serious and helpful research although I don't know how Sir John Pate fits into my family if at all. So guys, make nice to each other and the rest of the world please understand that we Texan's can be a little rough around the edges.                                                                              Billie Pate Grunden